Shock Video: Cop Executes Man as He is Lying Face Down and Complying

a reply to: norhoc

I am no pro cop guy but I fail to see murder here. For one the moron kept reaching for something in his jacket

Reaching for something or trying to pull out the tazer dart, or touch where he was shot?

You see and hear what your brain has already pre-processed. That is why we can look at the same video, yet see and hear different things.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: amazing

You should probably bone up on what Pennsylvania considers murder and what it considers voluntary manslaughter, then.

Call it whatever you care to, what the penal code calls it matters a wee bit more.

But if you or I did that it would be murder. No?

a reply to: amazing

If you as a civilian tried to pull somebody over, then chased them to their house, then chased them into their yard, then applied a Taser multiple times before finally shooting them, I'm sure you would have caught a murder charge, and probably been convicted.

Since none of that is in any way your job as a civilian, it would all probably be used to demonstrate your intent to kill.

This is a pretty poor use of the ol' "if I did that I'd be behind bars" card.

And bear in mind that this is all coming from a guy who absolutely thinks she could have and should have caught a voluntary manslaughter conviction.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: amazing

If you as a civilian tried to pull somebody over, then chased them to their house, then chased them into their yard, then applied a Taser multiple times before finally shooting them, I'm sure you would have caught a murder charge, and probably been convicted.

Since none of that is in any way your job as a civilian, it would all probably be used to demonstrate your intent to kill.

This is a pretty poor use of the ol' "if I did that I'd be behind bars" card.

And bear in mind that this is all coming from a guy who absolutely thinks she could have and should have caught a voluntary manslaughter conviction.

I think you're missing the point.

If someone attacks me and I have a gun and I shoot him as he's attacking me that's probably not a murder conviction, depending on the state etc. If said person attacks me and then falls over on his stomach and I shoot him in the back..that's a murder conviction.

Cops should be held to that standard. Clearly the officer was in no danger and felt no danger. If the guy would have stood up and faced her, I would think differently. But he was on his stomach incapacited by a taser and old to boot. She shot him in the back. how is that not murder?

a reply to: amazing

Age has nothing to do with it. Seriously. That excuse is beyond played out. Do you know him personally? Can you speak to his physical condition? A blind guy just ran a marathon in Machu Pichu, in the jungle. Wait, blind people can't do things like that, they're blind!

Utter crap, unless you can speak to that person beyond "he has gray hair, ergo he's old and frail and couldn't hurt anybody."

How do you know what the cop felt? Do you know her? Do you have a source to substantiate your claim that she felt no danger?

I'm not missing your point at all. You're applying a civilian mindset to a non-civilian situation. Cops don't get judged like civilians because they have to do things civilians don't.

Should she have shot him? No. I don't think she should have at all. At no point in the video did I see anything that made me think it was justified. But it's not murder. Wailing and gnashing your teeth won't make it murder. "But if I did that" won't make it murder, for her. Made up, magical, what if scenarios are completely pointless.

What if he did have a gun? Nobody would've given a damn about it if he'd had a gun inside his coat.

How's that for a what if?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: amazing

Age has nothing to do with it. Seriously. That excuse is beyond played out. Do you know him personally? Can you speak to his physical condition? A blind guy just ran a marathon in Machu Pichu, in the jungle. Wait, blind people can't do things like that, they're blind!

Utter crap, unless you can speak to that person beyond "he has gray hair, ergo he's old and frail and couldn't hurt anybody."

How do you know what the cop felt? Do you know her? Do you have a source to substantiate your claim that she felt no danger?

I'm not missing your point at all. You're applying a civilian mindset to a non-civilian situation. Cops don't get judged like civilians because they have to do things civilians don't.

Should she have shot him? No. I don't think she should have at all. At no point in the video did I see anything that made me think it was justified. But it's not murder. Wailing and gnashing your teeth won't make it murder. "But if I did that" won't make it murder, for her. Made up, magical, what if scenarios are completely pointless.

What if he did have a gun? Nobody would've given a damn about it if he'd had a gun inside his coat.

How's that for a what if?

You're focused on the smaller parts of my argument. I'll give you all of that.

I'll give you that cops get a break on things I wouldn't. They should get those breaks. They have a dangerous job.

However shooting an immobile (He'd been tazed and was still attached--still plenty of juice in the tazer...we know cause the camera feed was still working, with his hands up where she told him...shooting him in the back. That's murder. No wailing or knashing of teeth.

That's all we ever wanted. Justice. Cops that shoot unarmed people in the back, should be charged with murder. The laws need to change if rogue coops like this can't get convicted. Period.

No matter how much you want to whitewash it, it was murder. You're playing around with legal semantics doesn't change this. Murder. Cops need to be held accountable.

I'm taking it from your strong stance that you are/were either a cop or someone close in your family was. YOu don't want to cross that blue line. You're choosing to look the other way when bad cops do bad things. That's unacceptable.

You guys wonder why there is a black lives matter movement or why there are websites like Copblock etc. it's because cops get away with murder and torture and brutality every day. Let's hold the bad ones, the murderers like this one accountable so that the good ones can get more support.

It's a simple premise.

originally posted by: RomeByFire
Some of you folks just love to live in absolute FEAR.

"He moved his hands! He was reaching in his pockets!"

Yeah, in which nothing was there.

Nothing at all.

You're right. Its a shame her psychic abilities failed her that day. Any rational person would've assumed he was going for a breath mint.

Cops and cop apologists - for some unknown reason - feel, and are compelled to testify to the world, that lethal force is justifiable for:

1. Running
2. "Walking with a purpose"
3. Selling untaxed cigarettes
4. Possessing cannabis
5. "Mouthing off" to an officer
6. Any other extenuating circumstance

I have yet to see a video where someone was shot for any of those reasons.

a reply to: amazing

How cute of you to convict me based off my comments here. You should try reading some of the other PC forum threads I've commented in. I'm more than happy to call a cop out for wrong doing, when I think they've done wrong. Like this cop in this OP, being guilty of voluntary manslaughter. I can only presume that you haven't bothered to go look at how murder is defined in Pennsylvania, thus your reluctance to let go of the murder idea.

Guess the fact yes, I am indeed an active LEO, and am not only an active LEO but have arrested more than one "fellow" cop would certainly buttress your claim that I'm afraid to cross that blue line and am just as guilty as the rest.

Sorry bub. I don't have jurisdiction in New York. I can't go arrest the cop that choked Eric Garner to death, much as I may want to. Doesn't make me a bad cop though.

originally posted by: WP4YT
Murder is legal in this country if you are a cop. Fact.

For this reason, psychopaths by the thousands apply to be police.

Posts like this immediately and totally disqualify the moaning and bitching about the cops. Tainted by by juvenile, puerile, ridiculous nonsense.

The guy went for the inside of his jacket, more than once. Nobody cares about a pitiful suggestion that it was "convulsions", haha, may as well say all the Manson followers all had multiple convulsions the night of their crimes.

He went for inside his jacket. The cop isn't required to wait and see the barrel of the gun pointed at her.

Threat to the community - ended.

This Thread - ended.

That's why a jury found her not guilty.....despite the howling of "experts" on the internet who were never within 500 miles of the case.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: amazing

How cute of you to convict me based off my comments here. You should try reading some of the other PC forum threads I've commented in. I'm more than happy to call a cop out for wrong doing, when I think they've done wrong. Like this cop in this OP, being guilty of voluntary manslaughter. I can only presume that you haven't bothered to go look at how murder is defined in Pennsylvania, thus your reluctance to let go of the murder idea.

Guess the fact yes, I am indeed an active LEO, and am not only an active LEO but have arrested more than one "fellow" cop would certainly buttress your claim that I'm afraid to cross that blue line and am just as guilty as the rest.

Sorry bub. I don't have jurisdiction in New York. I can't go arrest the cop that choked Eric Garner to death, much as I may want to. Doesn't make me a bad cop though.

haha "choked Eric Garner to death". Eric Garner stroked out from spazzing out for several minutes while weighing 400 # plus. After breaking the same crime for about the 40th time. A true victim.

I guess we need to take your words of wisdom over those of Bo Dietl. Yah, fer sher.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: amazing

How cute of you to convict me based off my comments here. You should try reading some of the other PC forum threads I've commented in. I'm more than happy to call a cop out for wrong doing, when I think they've done wrong. Like this cop in this OP, being guilty of voluntary manslaughter. I can only presume that you haven't bothered to go look at how murder is defined in Pennsylvania, thus your reluctance to let go of the murder idea.

Guess the fact yes, I am indeed an active LEO, and am not only an active LEO but have arrested more than one "fellow" cop would certainly buttress your claim that I'm afraid to cross that blue line and am just as guilty as the rest.

Sorry bub. I don't have jurisdiction in New York. I can't go arrest the cop that choked Eric Garner to death, much as I may want to. Doesn't make me a bad cop though.

And I know other good cops too. I may come off like it sometimes, but all cops are not bad. Most of them are good.

Regardless of what the law states. This man was murdered in cold blood. Shooting an unarmed man in the back after he's been tazed while he's on his stomach with his hands up where you can see them is murder. I understand what you're saying and that "letter of the law" and all of that, but by any human being's standard it's murder. Again, there must be a reason why you don't want to call it murder? Blue line again, I suppose. Sorry, just a little agitated at they way some of these bad cops get away with stuff. I don't really think we're that far off in what we're saying other than I believe it's murder and you don't.

I'm basically saying that the wording of the law in pennsylvania, then needs to change because that was certainly murder in cold blood.

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: amazing

How cute of you to convict me based off my comments here. You should try reading some of the other PC forum threads I've commented in. I'm more than happy to call a cop out for wrong doing, when I think they've done wrong. Like this cop in this OP, being guilty of voluntary manslaughter. I can only presume that you haven't bothered to go look at how murder is defined in Pennsylvania, thus your reluctance to let go of the murder idea.

Guess the fact yes, I am indeed an active LEO, and am not only an active LEO but have arrested more than one "fellow" cop would certainly buttress your claim that I'm afraid to cross that blue line and am just as guilty as the rest.

Sorry bub. I don't have jurisdiction in New York. I can't go arrest the cop that choked Eric Garner to death, much as I may want to. Doesn't make me a bad cop though.

haha "choked Eric Garner to death". Eric Garner stroked out from spazzing out for several minutes while weighing 400 # plus. After breaking the same crime for about the 40th time. A true victim.

I guess we need to take your words of wisdom over those of Bo Dietl. Yah, fer sher.

Have you seen the video. That guy choked him to death for no reason. Murdered him. and I've got news for you Bo Dietl is a scumbag who wouldn't cross the blue line if he saw a cop raping a nun.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: amazing

How cute of you to convict me based off my comments here. You should try reading some of the other PC forum threads I've commented in. I'm more than happy to call a cop out for wrong doing, when I think they've done wrong. Like this cop in this OP, being guilty of voluntary manslaughter. I can only presume that you haven't bothered to go look at how murder is defined in Pennsylvania, thus your reluctance to let go of the murder idea.

Guess the fact yes, I am indeed an active LEO, and am not only an active LEO but have arrested more than one "fellow" cop would certainly buttress your claim that I'm afraid to cross that blue line and am just as guilty as the rest.

Sorry bub. I don't have jurisdiction in New York. I can't go arrest the cop that choked Eric Garner to death, much as I may want to. Doesn't make me a bad cop though.

haha "choked Eric Garner to death". Eric Garner stroked out from spazzing out for several minutes while weighing 400 # plus. After breaking the same crime for about the 40th time. A true victim.

I guess we need to take your words of wisdom over those of Bo Dietl. Yah, fer sher.

Have you seen the video. That guy choked him to death for no reason. Murdered him. and I've got news for you Bo Dietl is a scumbag who wouldn't cross the blue line if he saw a cop raping a nun.

Literally nothing you've said here has any accuracy or worth whatsoever.

No choke hold. No death from choke. No murder. Bo Dietl was a great, respected, celebrated cop and detective.

You can't be "right" by just spewing unrelated, random claims that are completely false and fake. It doesn't really work that way.

a reply to: stevieray

It's amazing how many people here believe that just by magically repeating the words "murder" "pig" "killer" blablabla.....one is smart and correct and "wins".

That's just bizarre. Makes me wonder what the future holds for civilization.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Age does have something to do with alot of these. and on this one I think a 59 year old knows not to run or you might get shot.


A 19 year old kid though..

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: real_one

I saw the video in the OP, how bout you?

I also said it was my opinion that he wasn't. You saying "yes he was" isn't going to do much to change my opinion on it.

I also said the shooting wasn't justified, in my opinion. No need to rant on like I said it was righteous.

Of course it was your opinion. It's simple, he was complying. Why is your opinion clouded, could it be bias? I've given you kudos in other threads because you have a keen eye, so I know you're not dumb but I am shocked that you implied he wasn't fully complying IMO you know better than this.

It scares me that you're in law enforcement and consider this murder victim's actions as "not fully complying". Glad I don't live in your town.

Yes you said the shooting was not justified , my emphasis was on the compliance part of your first post I replied to. No rant on my end bud, just sharing my opinion as well.

a reply to: alienjuggalo

yeah, obviously reached for jackets too many times. Not guilty is right.

a reply to: alienjuggalo

Then why did the 59 year old run?

a reply to: real_one

She was found innocent by 12 people who knew infinitely more about the case, than everybody in this thread.

End of story. Knowledge and sanity prevail.

originally posted by: real_one

It scares me that you're in law enforcement and consider this murder victim's actions as "not fully complying". Glad I don't live in your town.

Simple question here... did he reach inside his jacket or not?