Why are Palestinians teaching children violence and hate?

a reply to: Learningman

What about me? I levelled the blame at both the participants feet, yet I, through my reasoning, fall (very narrowly) on the side of feeling for the Palestinians plight *most* (and its a close call, I swear).

Does this mean i am an unwitting pawn in the Leftist chessgame?

Please be aware that feeling for and not demonising the Palestinian plight, hell, even rating it of higher import, does not mean I am unsympathetic to the Israelis.

Also, as much as I hate getting personal, when you mention those that demonize Palestinians are viewed as leftists as being evil and negative, why do you not mention those who are not in favour of Israeli policy being called 'leftists' and muslim apologists by the right?
Reason only works when you view a subject objectively from at last a semblance of both sides.

And, not to you Unbreakable, but others. You call any who oppose Israel's tactics as if they were demons who abhor the idea of a Israeli state. I implore you to read any number of threads on the subject, including this one, and tally those who openly advocate the genocide of both Palestinians and Arabs, against those making such statements about Israeli jews.

I respect and agree with your position on this. This of course goes both ways, as I'm sure you understand.

a reply to: Learningman

And the majority of Isreal teaches from a young age annually at the nakbah to hate the pelestinians and to aspire to the time they will have to kill them when they are in the IDF.

This is simply not true man. It is obvious form your statement that you never visited Israel.

a reply to: thedeadtruth

OP ...

Here is the same question, but for another situation.

Do you think teaching European Jews to fight to the death, even the children, instead of letting Hitler walk them into gas chambers would have been justified ?

I think so.

I tell you what I think.
The European Jews didn't believe that they are going to exterminated till it was too late.
Palestinians on the other hand, know that Israel does not trying to exterminate them, for couple of reasons:
1. When there are no violent protests and no acts of terror (blowing up buses, lunching rockets, stabbing etc.) Palestinians are not getting killed.
2. If Israel wanted to exterminate the Palestinians it would have been done decades ago. It also can be done at any moment.
3. 20% of Israel's population is Arabs (82% of them are Muslims). These people have Israeli citizenship, work and live together with Jews, have their own representation in the Israeli parliament. Israel is just not into exterminating Arabs.

a reply to: thedeadtruth

No one is claiming they never existed.
Only that there was never an independent Palestinian state. As Palestine was under the control of the Ottoman empire and then under the British mandate. And that the Arab population in this region started identifying themselves as Palestinians in the 60's.

a reply to: jamespond

originally posted by: MaxMech
Do they really think the world will support this nation of violent fanatics, they are trying to create?




Most of the world do support them, at least those with any decency, and quite rightly so.

I think you are mistaken, as most support and justification of those kind of actions (strapping your kid in an explosive belt) comes from Muslims fanatics, hardly people with any decency.

a reply to: intrptr

originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: intrptr



Not sure where did you get this idea as this was never my intention.
These kids need to be saved from the society that they were born in. In no way I'm trying to demonize them.
Their parents on the other side…

The kids are born into an open air prison called Gaza. They are isolated, surrounded by high walls, guarded from gun towers, bombed, shelled and shot at with firearms, rubber bullets, tear gas and stun grenades.

It is obvious you never been in Gaza.. most of the border looks like this actually (like any other border):

Also, the blocked on Gaza is held by Egypt as well. Don't have anything bad to say about them right?
Yeah I know, Israelis/Zionists/Jews are always to be blamed first.

They are arrested, detained, tortured and murdered (kids even) without regard to age, sex or dignity.

If a kid deliberately tows a rock at a car from a cliff, and as a result gets an entire family killed, he shouldn't even be arrested? This is your point? Nice...

You don't want to admit this can radicalize an oppressed people whose family members are murdered, land is occupied and their homes destroyed on an ongoing basis, thats fine. Don't however play like, I don't mean to portray photos of "baby terrorists".

I'm not playing. If you think I am it's your problem.
I don't think these kids are "baby terrorists". But they will soon be, thanks to their parents.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: buster2010

I could be a bit off here...but since the Muslims started a war with Israel and Israel won and while doing so, took their land...how isn't is Israel's land now? Isn't that partially how war works, especially when the enemy is the one who started it?

The Muslims didn't start the war the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians is what started the war. Unless you are talking about the 67 war and the Muslims didn't start that war either Israel started it. Also how many times does it have to be explained to Israeli supporters that annexing land by force is against international law? Every inch of land that Israel has stolen since 1948 breaks that law.

You need to go back a little further. "On 15 May 1948 the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states, following the Israeli Declaration of Independence the previous day. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine"

originally posted by: MaxMech
Yes are right. During the British mandate Jews used terror tactics against the British. It's common knowledge.

I would say Zionist's, not jews. Yes they did used terrorism to establish the state of Israel. Actually it's not common knowledge, if it was, people wouldn't be so supportive of Israel.

originally posted by: MaxMech
Arabs did the same (and are doing the same sense).

Arabs? Excuse me: Palestinians please, not arabs, they are christians, islamic, and other's! They are doing the same? with what? Stones and knifes? You can't compare the strength of the attacks then and now. In the begining of the occupation palestinian farmers didn't have weapons or military support such as britsh bayonets, like the Zionists had. And now what? They are fighting with knife's and stones, for their freedom, against one of the most advanced (techonlogicaly) military in the world, with all the US support in every way (UN, equipement, money, etc). Is that a fight? No, it's a slaughter, a slow genocide imposed against people that doesn't have anyware to go or anything to defend themselves with!

originally posted by: MaxMech
What's you point?

My point, is that they are defending and fighting themselves from opression, apartheid, the usurping of their land and freedom. A thing that was imposed to them by zionists, since the begining after the Balfour declaration.

It's irrelavant who fired the first shot, or who did or did not accept the partition. It's about a partnership that was never a possibility because what was at issue was an exclusive primordial, unchallengeable, indeed divine right. The Palestinians are simply obstacles to its forward march.

And nobdy cares how injuste that can be. I will say this again:

The genius of the Zionist narrative is its ability to depict the Palestinians’ resistance to this plan to dispossess them as Palestinian aggression, and the Zionist drive to impose this revolutionary status quo on the Palestinians by force of arms as Jewish self-defense.

Because both side got nothing better to do...

Don't be a player hater, be an innovator!

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: buster2010

I could be a bit off here...but since the Muslims started a war with Israel and Israel won and while doing so, took their land...how isn't is Israel's land now? Isn't that partially how war works, especially when the enemy is the one who started it?

The Muslims didn't start the war the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians is what started the war. Unless you are talking about the 67 war and the Muslims didn't start that war either Israel started it. Also how many times does it have to be explained to Israeli supporters that annexing land by force is against international law? Every inch of land that Israel has stolen since 1948 breaks that law.

You need to go back a little further. "On 15 May 1948 the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states, following the Israeli Declaration of Independence the previous day. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine"

So you are clueless that Zionist terrorist gangs like Irgun was staging terrorist attacks against the Palestinians before Israel was made a state? And it was the ethnic cleansing in 48 which led to the war between Israel and that Arabs states.

originally posted by: MaxMech
2. If Israel wanted to exterminate the Palestinians it would have been done decades ago. It also can be done at any moment.

Typical arrogant and nazi statement, it does speak volumes of your heart and intentions. They could do it any moment... wow.. meaningless life.. of others...of course.

a reply to: MaxMech

The border between Gaza and Israel





Gaza, an open air prison.

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And the "Questions"(?) of this entire thread was:

Why are Palestinians teaching children violence and hate?

Now, please, take a good look to the following video, take your conclusions then:

Palestinians in Hebron face provocation and attacks

IMO is not the Palestinians who teach violence and hate to children, but, precisely the opposite, the Isreali Zionists!

Note: this reply had the intent to let everyone see how ridiculous "amazing" the life of the "other side" is, under the occupation. May we never have to go through this. Sorry to bother any one of you. don't need to reply to this post, since this thread is going to "ATS archives" / "to be forgoten" let me at least point this out to everyone. thank you.

originally posted by: MaxMech
Why are Palestinians teaching children violence and hate?

Violence begats violence, so it's probably because their Jew enemies do the same.

a reply to: voyger2

Since the second Intifada .. It is a shame that the family shown cannot live a peaceful life I agree but the circumstances leading up to things not being fair are a set of serious actions by both sides that perpetuates those problems. Read the timelines here and then lay the blame on the Terrorists ? the Terrorized ? Both can apply from each side.

Al-Aqsa Intifada timeline
The second Palestinian intifada or uprising broke out at the end of September 2000 and is named after the Jerusalem mosque complex where the violence began.
Frustrations that years of the negotiation had failed to deliver a Palestinian state were intensified by the collapse of the Camp David summit in July 2000.

Ariel Sharon, then the leader of Israel's opposition, paid a visit to the site in East Jerusalem known to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif, and to Jews as Temple Mount, which houses the al-Aqsa mosque - and frustration boiled over into violence.

The timeline below highlights the key events.

2000
28 September: Ariel Sharon's visit to the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount - against the background of the failure of the peace process - provides one of the sparks that ignites a cycle of violence.

30 September: In one of the enduring images of the conflict 12-year-old Muhammad Durrah is killed during a gunbattle between Israeli troops and Palestinians in the Gaza strip, kindling Palestinian anger about the growing number of children killed by Israeli forces. The army initially apologises, but later casts doubt on whether its forces killed the boy.

17 October: The Sharm al-Sheikh agreement, brokered by President Clinton, aims to end the upsurge in violence. It breaks down almost immediately.
2001
6 February: Ariel Sharon elected prime minister of Israel
18 May: Israel launches F-16 warplanes against Palestinian targets in Gaza for the first time.
1 June: Suicide bomb attack on a disco in Tel Aviv leaves 21 people dead and more than 60 others injured. Islamic Jihad says it carried out the attack
9 August: Fifteen people are killed and about 90 others are injured in a suicide attack on a busy restaurant in the heart of Jerusalem. Hamas says it carried out the attack.
27 August: Israel assassinates People's Liberation Front for Palestine leader Abu Ali Mustafa in a missile strike.
17 October: The PFLP assassinates Israel's tourism minister Rehavam Zeevi.
2 December: A Palestinian suicide bomber blows up a bus in the northern coastal city of Haifa, killing 15 people and wounding more than 100 others.
Sourced from the BBC news site
Go to the link for 2002 onwards
news.bbc.co.uk...

I continue to wish for peace..

a reply to: voyger2

originally posted by: MaxMech
Yes are right. During the British mandate Jews used terror tactics against the British. It's common knowledge.

I would say Zionist's, not jews.

LOL you can say what you want, they were Jews whether you like it or not.

Yes they did used terrorism to establish the state of Israel. Actually it's not common knowledge, if it was, people wouldn't be so supportive of Israel.

It's not common knowledge for people who don't know how to use Google/Wikipedia or how to open a book, as many other things that are not common knowledge for them. It is surely not a secret. Go spread the word and see if it changes anyone's mind regarding Israel. People understand that no country was established without land grab, violence and terror. You conveniently close you eyes on this, but the country you live in is no different.

originally posted by: MaxMech
Arabs did the same (and are doing the same sense).

Arabs? Excuse me: Palestinians please, not arabs, they are christians, islamic, and other's!

Is this a joke?!
Do you understand that Arabs are people who speak Arabic? They can be Muslim or Christian or any other religion.
They didn't call themselves Palestinians back then. This is also common knowledge...
To call an Arab a "Palestinian" would mean to insult him because until the late 60s the word "Palestinian " was commonly and unanimously associated in all the world with Jews, and all the world knew: Palestine is just another name for Israel.
Until 1950, the name of the Jerusalem Post was THE PALESTINE POST.
The journal of the Zionist Organization of America was NEW PALESTINE.
Bank Leumi was the ANGLO-PALESTINE BANK.
Israel Electric Company´s original name was the PALESTINE ELECTRIC COMPANY.
There was the PALESTINE FOUNDATION FUND and the PALESTINE PHILHARMONIC.

They are doing the same? with what? Stones and knifes? You can't compare the strength of the attacks then and now. In the begining of the occupation palestinian farmers didn't have weapons or military support such as britsh bayonets, like the Zionists had.

Don't play stupid, they had more than stones and knifes. Arabs managed to kill 262 Britons during the Arab revolt in 1936-39.

And now what? They are fighting with knife's and stones,

Conveniently leaving out RPGs, grenades, assault rifles, and explosive belts...
You must thinking that the Palestinians are a bunch of cave men hahaha! Go visit Palestine kid, then talk.

The genius of the Zionist narrative is its ability to depict the Palestinians’ resistance to this plan to dispossess them as Palestinian aggression, and the Zionist drive to impose this revolutionary status quo on the Palestinians by force of arms as Jewish self-defense.

When you focus your "resistance" efforts on hurting civilians instead of army forces (because you know you have no chance against people who can defend themselves) and preach in your mosques that killing Jews is the way to get in heaven, you are an aggressor. This is why the world supports Israel.

a reply to: MaxMech


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Dont be a hypocrite.

a reply to: everyone

I'm not
Read my other comments in regard to the pictures you presented.

These idiots are in no way better than the idiots in the pictures I posted. Driven crazy by religion and blinded by elitism.
They should no be allowed to even have kids. If you insist to live your life in a manner that causes suffering to other people, you should not be allowed to reproduce.

pictures show typical behavior of a crazy religious fanaticism - condemned by majority of Israeli public.
Where are the Palestinians who do the same? As in actually look in the mirror and start criticizing violence and hate.

As I already said "in my opinion, there is a difference between letting a kid hold a rifle in a gun show, and strapping an explosive belt on him. But that's just me..."

originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: everyone

I'm not
Read my other comments in regard to the pictures you presented.

These idiots are in no way better than the idiots in the pictures I posted. Driven crazy by religion and blinded by elitism.
They should no be allowed to even have kids. If you insist to live your life in a manner that causes suffering to other people, you should not be allowed to reproduce.

pictures show typical behavior of a crazy religious fanaticism - condemned by majority of Israeli public.
Where are the Palestinians who do the same? As in actually look in the mirror and start criticizing violence and hate.

As I already said "in my opinion, there is a difference between letting a kid hold a rifle in a gun show, and strapping an explosive belt on him. But that's just me..."

Or writing their names on the bombs that they are going to use on those other children?
Your op is like another member already pointed out. A prop. hit piece.

people over there live in a shooting gallery/prison made by isreali's and you wonder why they are being hated by them.
You would hate that neighbour too.

a reply to: everyone

Or writing their names on the bombs that they are going to use on those other children?

The bombs are going to be used on terrorists. The fact that children died in these attack is the terrorists doing (as they are the only ones who gained from it).

Your op is like another member already pointed out. A prop. hit piece.

How is it a hit piece? Are the pictures fake? Are they presented in the wrong context? I'm simply asking - If your goal is freedom and statehood, why strap your child into explosive belt? How is it going to help achieve your goal?

people over there live in a shooting gallery/prison made by isreali's and you wonder why they are being hated by them.

The prison is maintained by Israel and Egypt. It was created by Hamas.

You would hate that neighbour too.

Probably. But I would not sacrifice my children's future (or present) because of this. I would be trying to find a way to end the conflict instead.