Have you read this...

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

What is at the core of "religion" though, Charlie?

religio ... re-ligo or -lego ... both suggest (if I remember my Latin) "to bind" or "to tie together" ... ("ligature marks")

The question is ... is that to bind together to make stronger (like the movie "Independence Day"), or tie up to restrain or hold us back from something (a la most of Gnosticism).

There are layers here ... *sigh*

I believe it. To be told we are ultimately inconsequential is a very painful thing to hear, and being a spirited species, we instinctively respond "well I'll show you!"

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Gryphon66

Apologies, I meant myself for such a suggestion, Gryph.


He certainly did lol.

Oh.

I can never spell Aliester right.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
I believe it. To be told we are ultimately inconsequential is a very painful thing to hear, and being a spirited species, we instinctively respond "well I'll show you!"

For many, conclusive proof that there are "no gods" would be utterly devastating.

Maybe even worse than to find out that the gods are all bipedal lizards living in the hollow earth.

a reply to: Gryphon66

That's true, and ultimately, if I was being objective and not religiously biased, I'd say it's a bit of both.

That's why I prefer to be labelled "one of Faith" rather than "religious"...


Too much dogma otherwise.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Gryphon66

That's true, and ultimately, if I was being objective and not religiously biased, I'd say it's a bit of both.

That's why I prefer to be labelled "one of Faith" rather than "religious"...


Too much dogma otherwise.

Yep, if you notice I try to say "non-believer" rather than Atheist when I describe myself.

From another Muslim I very much admire ...

“Don't try to steer the boat.
Don't open shop for yourself. Listen. Keep silent.
You are not God's mouthpiece. Try to be an ear,
And if you do speak, ask for explanations.”
― Rumi

originally posted by: nonjudgementalist
a reply to: Klassified

Please ask your friend who sent it to him.

My friend does not recognize the email address, and no name was given. That's all I know.

a reply to: Klassified

It says if you know shut up and lie

I make my living sometimes searching google, and this is the only hit that comes up.

a reply to: Gryphon66
It does have a familiar ring to it. Almost like it was taken from something, and re-worded. Whatever the case. Whoever said it, either believes what they are saying, or it fits their own beliefs.

I would however, call attention to "the dark times to come". And also, "the truth would never be believed if the gods themselves spoke it." This is why I think whoever said it, probably really believes it, and may have been speaking from a podium. Of course, I could be reading way way too much into it. What can I say. I like mysteries.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Gryphon66
It does have a familiar ring to it. Almost like it was taken from something, and re-worded. Whatever the case. Whoever said it, either believes what they are saying, or it fits their own beliefs.

I would however, call attention to "the dark times to come". And also, "the truth would never be believed if the gods themselves spoke it." This is why I think whoever said it, probably really believes it, and may have been speaking from a podium. Of course, I could be reading way way too much into it. What can I say. I like mysteries.

Interesting, may do a few more searches in the morning, when I am sober.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I had noticed. Quite funny to see us progressives avoid the labels we apparently administer to society.

Pilgrimage to the place of the wise is to find escape from the flame of separateness. - Rumi

Makes me think of why I come to ATS.

a reply to: FamCore

If this were some incredible ultimate truth, why would it be randomly circulating via the internet of all places, without any context or legitimate evidence, that's what I don't get

Why wouldn't it be? This would not be the first time a bit, or a piece of something was leaked on the internet. That doesn't mean it's credible. It doesn't mean it isn't either. As the writer says...

Fortunately for us, and for humanity, the truth would never be believed if the gods themselves spoke it.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Gryphon66

It sounds really familiar to me too. Maybe Aleister Crowley or even Carlos Castaneda?

Castaneda is one I hadn't thought of. Possibility?

a reply to: Klassified

Dunno if you saw my edit on the previous page, Klassified...

But I'm willing to bet it comes from a movie.


& I want to say Clash Of The Titans (Liam Neeson)...
But I'd not be surprised to hear it came from an periodical action (a la 300 Gerard Butler narrating and thinking ahead to the battle with the Persians, etc)

Again I could be wrong.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs
It's certainly possible. I've seen those movies. Maybe that's why it seems familiar in some way. I'm going to keep trying variations on it in google and other places.

Clash Of The Titans is about the Titans obviously...


I'm sure there is a part where the demi-god narrator says this explaining that "the gods" built man to harness the energy of worship and the people wouldn't believe it even if "the gods" themselves said it to them...



I'm sure I heard this recently and I watched COTT about a week ago.



Edit: sorry to ramble I'm just really interested in knowing the source of the quote now. Grrrrrr.

a reply to: Klassified

Yep.

Layers.

Also, in regard to the "rhythm" ... Georgia Guidestones.

a reply to: Klassified

I think a little Huxley is needed.

Confronted, when the weather is fine and I am in propitious emotional circumstances, with certain landscapes, certain works of art, certain human beings, I know, for the time being, that God's in his heaven and all's right with the world. On other occasions, skies and destiny being inclement, I am no less immediately certain of the malignant impersonality of an uncaring universe. Every human being has had similar experiences. This being so, the sensible thing to do would be to accept the facts and frame a metaphysic to fit them. But with that talent for doing the wrong thing, that genius for perversity, so characteristically human, men have preferred, especially in recent times, to take another course. They have either denied the existence of these psychological facts; or if they have admitted them, have done so only to condemn as evil all such experiences as cannot be reconciled in a logical system with whatever particular class of experiences they have chosen, arbitrarily, to regard as "true" and morally valuable. Every man tries to pretend that he is consistently one kind of person and does his best consistently to worship one kind of God. And this despite the fact that he experiences diversity and actually feels himself in contact with a variety of divinities.

Many fear the responsibility of knowledge, especially the all encompassing kind.

Thanks for sharing.

a reply to: eisegesis

There is a term called socratic paradox;

The phrase "I know that I know nothing" or "I know one thing: that I know nothing",