Black Lives Don't Matter...

I just read the first page and am commenting, i dont know if anyone touched on this.

People are quick to point out "hypocracy". But if you follow the good reverends (as i sparingly do), you will find that the murders in chicago, detroit, and other places are often in the mouths of these black public figures. A short time ago Sharpton actually made an anouncement that he was temporarily moving his operations to chicago to try to combat things. Has he or Jackson been successful, not really. But if you limit your input to certain sides of sources you will never really know what he is doing.

Do you listen to either of their radio shows? I would guess not. But you cant be so loud and not have all the information. BLM is aware of community violence, but they point out the abuse perpetrated by those who are supposed to protect and serve.

Its just easy to blame the most visible people for an individual's ignorant behavoir (the people actually perpetrating the crime).

Interesting: "Bojangling, buckdancing..." sounds like very familiar rhetoric.

It's interesting to see how people accuse others of having or falling for some 'agenda' when they are knee deep in one themselves.

The BLM movement is trying to bring attention to the, "Us versus Them," mentality that the police force has adopted.

In our hearts of hearts we know such a mentality is counterproductive, juvenile and only appeals to our baser instincts.

Unfortunately, instead of discussing how we can get past such nonsense, we make divisive threads and whine about God knows what. Good job!

a reply to: intrptr

First mistake: These days most of them never had a daddy to begin with. He is absentee at best because he and mommy never even think about getting married, and odds are that she has to drop out of school to have the baby or that the brothers and sisters all have different "daddies" who are also just as absent.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Watch Europe closely. It's an accelerated Cloward-Piven with this refugee crisis.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: theantediluvian

Watch Europe closely. It's an accelerated Cloward-Piven with this refugee crisis.

Europe will be fine. They've been at this whole "government thing" longer than the USA.

originally posted by: IridiumFlareMadness

But, black lives matter was founded on the belief that some police forces in some towns don't care about black lives as much as they do white lives and that pol

The point is, is that is hypocritical when everybody knows deep down that the black community has a chronic problem with robbing and killing each other. There is an entire culture centered around that. That is why they may be targeted more than whites. That is just the truth. And every honest white person knows the cops can be just as terrible to them.

You mean like the deputies who shot the white rancher who showed up with his rifle to help deal with his angry bull?

Now, to be fair, the story is sketchy as to what exactly happened. But two people in a car hit a black angus bull. The injured, enraged bull would not let the cops help the people out of their car, so they called the rancher. He came with his rifle. At some point, shots were fired and the rancher was killed.

Odds are that he was intending to deal with his bull. Ranchers do this a lot, put down their stock when it's injured or otherwise unmanageable. It's possible the deputies mistook what was going on when they saw a man with a gun and shot him.

But it was very much a case of white cops shooting man with gun.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: theantediluvian

Watch Europe closely. It's an accelerated Cloward-Piven with this refugee crisis.

Europe will be fine. They've been at this whole "government thing" longer than the USA.

Yes, they will. The government will engineer the collapse just fine and then it will be the elites governing their perfect third world serfs. The people have set themselves up for it just fine.

a reply to: ketsuko

Do you have any proof, or past examples of something like this happening? How are you arriving at your prediction of "planned collapse"?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I get so tired of hearing this Cloward-Piven nonsense regurgitated over and over again. That moron Glenn Beck brought it to the fore of right wing propaganda and the brainwashed masses have been running with it ever since.

Whenever you hear someone say that in regards to modern politics, you can put money on it that the person talking about it has been exposed to right-wing propaganda.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I get so tired of hearing this Cloward-Piven nonsense regurgitated over and over again. That moron Glenn Beck brought it to the fore of right wing propaganda and the brainwashed masses have been running with it ever since.

Whenever you hear someone say that in regards to modern politics, you can put money on it that the person talking about it has been exposed to right-wing propaganda.

I hadn't ever heard of it until after I came to ATS so I imagine others haven't either.

I don't think it is a conspiracy as much as it is a confirmed central policy agenda at this point.

I'm not racist at all, everyone is equal and always will be in my eyes.
But I do understand I could actually be turned racist, if I lived in an area where blacks hated whites. I believe that living amongst people who verbally and visually despise me for my colour, could possibly change my mind. (I say this from a story, that a 100% non racist friend told me, and how it changed his whole outlook)
Bottom line, I understand it all. I love everyone equally and believe everyone is equal. But if I'm constantly subjected to racism, evey day, where I live, in MODERN DAY SOCIETY? Yeah my mind may be changed, I just hope it never is.
Peace to all - The only thing that will never happen to humans. So sad
😔


Oh yeah of course. Black lives DO matter, just as equally as EVERY life matters. There is no difference, we are all amazingly special (sorry for the cliché) I'm not even religious!

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I get so tired of hearing this Cloward-Piven nonsense regurgitated over and over again. That moron Glenn Beck brought it to the fore of right wing propaganda and the brainwashed masses have been running with it ever since.

Whenever you hear someone say that in regards to modern politics, you can put money on it that the person talking about it has been exposed to right-wing propaganda.

I hadn't ever heard of it until after I came to ATS so I imagine others haven't either.

I don't think it is a conspiracy as much as it is a confirmed central policy agenda at this point.

What evidence do you have to say that it is a confirmed central policy agenda? Even many on the Right admit that it's more conspiracy than anything else. The only reason it's mentioned at all is because Glenn Beck ran with it and it spread from there.

It's all nonsense and no such "agenda" has been confirmed.

The main problem with the black community is they believe all of their social ills can be solved by a politician. The only ones that can set the blacks on a proper social course are blacks themselves.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I get so tired of hearing this Cloward-Piven nonsense regurgitated over and over again. That moron Glenn Beck brought it to the fore of right wing propaganda and the brainwashed masses have been running with it ever since.

Whenever you hear someone say that in regards to modern politics, you can put money on it that the person talking about it has been exposed to right-wing propaganda.

I hadn't ever heard of it until after I came to ATS so I imagine others haven't either.

I don't think it is a conspiracy as much as it is a confirmed central policy agenda at this point.

What evidence do you have to say that it is a confirmed central policy agenda? Even many on the Right admit that it's more conspiracy than anything else. The only reason it's mentioned at all is because Glenn Beck ran with it and it spread from there.

It's all nonsense and no such "agenda" has been confirmed.

No informed person believed that the ACA could be realized in the way that it was presented.

I'm not surprised that you think it is ridiculous but, if you allow yourself to consider the premise anyway, you may come to the same conclusion.

a reply to: Edumakated

It will never ever get discussed, because if it is discussed, the discussion will have to shift the environment breeding the violence, which involves mass unemployment, poverty and inequality in this country, and the plutocracy won't allow that. They would rather we just go on hating one another.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Edumakated

I really tire of the argument that EVERY murder in this country should have a media circus surrounding them to legitimize the various social movements like Black Lives Matter. It's silly and nonsensical.

Then you fail to see the point of the argument. Just because you fail to see it doesn't mean it isn't the truth. The truth is that black people are killed by other black people at about 50x the rate they are killed by cops, but they only seem to be outraged at the cops about it.

It is simply not logical to condemn 1/50th of the deaths of a certain group as a 'wave' when that same group will kill 49 of it's own members in the same amount of time. The only way this logically makes sense is if the person doing the condemning has an agenda.

a reply to: Edumakated

Slavery doesn't have squat to do with the problems facing the black community today. It is a convenient boogie man for deflecting from personal responsibility. Most of the problems the black community faces today didn't start until the late 60s when they bought into liberalism. Senator Moynihan was prophetic.

It's interesting that you brought up Moynihan's report and describe it as prophetic considering that it bears little resemblance to your own hypothesis. Unlike you, Moynihan listed slavery FIRST in the chapter on the root causes of what he saw as the burgeoning crisis of the breakdown of the black family structure.

Excerpt from the root causes chapter of The Negro Family: The Case For National Action:

The most perplexing question abut American slavery, which has never been altogether explained, and which indeed most Americans hardly know exists, has been stated by Nathan Glazer as follows: "Why was American slavery the most awful the world has ever known?"12 The only thing that can be said with certainty is that this is true: it was.

American slavery was profoundly different from, and in its lasting effects on individuals and their children, indescribably worse than, any recorded servitude, ancient or modern. The peculiar nature of American slavery was noted by Alexis de Tocqueville and others, but it was not until 1948 that Frank Tannenbaum, a South American specialist, pointed to the striking differences between Brazilian and American slavery.

Since many slaveowners neither fostered Christian marriage among their slave couples nor hesitated to separate them on the auction block, the slave household often developed a fatherless matrifocal (mother-centered) pattern.

Also the treatment of blacks during the Reconstruction:

The Negro was given liberty, but not equality. Life remained hazardous and marginal. Of the greatest importance, the Negro male, particularly in the South, became an object of intense hostility, an attitude unquestionably based in some measure of fear.

When Jim Crow made its appearance towards the end of the 19th century, it may be speculated that it was the Negro male who was most humiliated thereby; the male was more likely to use public facilities, which rapidly became segregated once the process began, and just as important, segregation, and the submissiveness it exacts, is surely more destructive to the male than to the female personality. Keeping the Negro "in his place" can be translated as keeping the Negro male in his place: the female was not a threat to anyone.

Unquestionably, these events worked against the emergence of a strong father figure. The very essence of the male animal, from the bantam rooster to the four star general, is to strut. Indeed, in 19th century America, a particular type of exaggerated male boastfulness became almost a national style. Not for the Negro male. The "sassy n----r[sic]" was lynched.

and the effects of unemployment:

By 1940, the 2 to 1 white-Negro unemployment relationship that persists to this day had clearly emerged. Taking out the South again, whites were 14.8 percent, nonwhites 29.7 percent.

Since 1929, the Negro worker has been tremendously affected by the movements of the business cycle and of employment. He has been hit worse by declines than whites, and proportionately helped more by recoveries.

From 1951 to 1963, the level of the Negro male unemployment was on a long run rising trend, while at the same time following the short run ups and downs of the business cycle. During the same period, the number of broken families in the Negro world was also on a long run rise, with intermediate ups and downs.

The conclusion from these and similar data is difficult to avoid: During times when jobs were reasonably plentiful (although at no time during this period, save perhaps the first 2 years, did the unemployment rate for Negro males drop to anything like a reasonable level) the Negro family became stronger and more stable. As jobs became more and more difficult to find, the stability of the family became more and more difficult to maintain.

This relation is clearly seen in terms of the illegitimacy rates of census tracts in the District of Columbia compared with male unemployment rates in the same neighborhoods.

Understand that this was written in 1965 and he drew his conclusions from observed trends going back decades. If that doesn't dissuade you, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with another seminal work on the topic from eminent sociologist E. Franklin Frazier, The Negro Family in the United States, written in 1933 and in which the existence of many of the problems you're now ascribing to factors that didn't yet exist (in fact it was written two years before the Social Security Act of 1935) are detailed.

You're simply parroting political rhetoric and getting stars from equally misinformed people. The data clearly doesn't support your hypothesis. You can continue to ignore this fact or you can rise above political manipulations and update your worldview.

The hard truth is that someone's death only matters to the nation at large in its circumstances and how they can be used to advance a preferred narrative.

So someone who commits suicide by gun died of "gun violence," but if that same person went out via lethal doses of drugs prescribed by a physician, they had a beautiful, peaceful and dignified end. Whereas the reality of the situation is that both chose to commit suicide and take their own life. The difference was only the method.

However one is useful to advance the narrative of the anti-gun crowd and died a "violent" death while the other was brave and died with dignity going out on their own terms and is useful to advance the narrative of the euthanasia crowd. Really, both died; both killed themselves. And no one really cares about anything at all to do with who they were, only how they went and what use can be made of it.