Black Lives Don't Matter...

originally posted by: introvert
The ignorance is astounding. People like Obama, Sharpton and other black leaders do go to places like Chicago and talk to people, try to make changes. Ever heard of the My Brother's Keeper initiative?

I think it's pathetic that a young black child had to die in an alley, but it's even more pathetic that people will use his death to push a political narrative that perhaps his life didn't mean that much because it's not being paraded over the media/social media by Sharpton and the rest.

Couldnt have said it better myself!

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Edumakated

You are so right, socio-economic interventionism has produced myriad harmful effects, much more than benefits, if any.

When you concentrate and subsidize any group of people into public housing and in many case at this point, public regions, they constitute a ghetto.

We should be paying attention to Thomas Sowell, Jason Riley, etc.

It is time to put a stop to this failed experiment run amok.

I've seen first hand how the cult of victimization and liberal policies have destroyed the black community. Absolutely gutted it from within. I read Sowell, Williams, Riley and others. Like Morpheous giving Neo the red pill.

Liberalism did something that not even slavery managed to do and that was break up the black family which is the root of where all this carnage starts.

Yes, as the negative effects of interventionism propagate, those very effects are then used to advocate for the need for more interventionism.

This is a resonant loop that will stress the fabric of society until it snaps.

It is probable that elements of our society and our government desire that very outcome.

Cloward–Piven strategy

a reply to: greencmp

Yes, as the negative effects of interventionism propagate, those very effects are then used to advocate for the need for more interventionism.

This is a resonant loop that will stress the fabric of society until it snaps.

It is probable that elements of our society and our government desire that very outcome.

Cloward–Piven strategy

Probable based on what? Strangely the only people who actually seem to care about and actively discuss Cloward-Piven are right-wingers who are obsessed with pretending its the blueprint for a grand conspiracy that doesn't exist.

If you want to talk about a real conspiracy, lets discuss coordinated brainwashing efforts of the conservative echo chamber that has people mindlessly discussing crap like the topic of this thread as though its a legitimate criticism of BLM.

White people kill white people every day too, I guess that completely precludes us from protesting as well? As a matter of fact, how can white people talk about black on black crime as long as there is white on white crime? Isn't that hypocrisy?

It seems we are discussing two different matters, one wrong, doesn't make the other right. If white police fear blacks and tend to shoot them moreso that whites, then that needs to be addressed instead of masking the problem with street crime.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Edumakated

You are so right, socio-economic interventionism has produced myriad harmful effects, much more than benefits, if any.

When you concentrate and subsidize any group of people into public housing and in many case at this point, public regions, they constitute a ghetto.

We should be paying attention to Thomas Sowell, Jason Riley, etc.

It is time to put a stop to this failed experiment run amok.

I've seen first hand how the cult of victimization and liberal policies have destroyed the black community. Absolutely gutted it from within. I read Sowell, Williams, Riley and others. Like Morpheous giving Neo the red pill.

Liberalism did something that not even slavery managed to do and that was break up the black family which is the root of where all this carnage starts.

It comes from all angles, not just liberal policies. The drug war was crushing for black communities, and people like my friend have suffered because he got caught up in just because he was black. Innocent, but accused nonetheless. The drug war wasn't a liberal policy.

Then you have the defunding of public schools in the south after segregation ended with the "Stanley Plan" -- a lot of parents enrolled their white kids into segregation academies

We know that poor education, poverty, and crime are all connected. As I said, its come from all angles -- all sides, there's been people from all over the political spectrum that have harmed the black community.

a reply to: Edumakated

It is stuff like this that makes the BLM movement minstrels a laughing stock that no one takes seriously. This is not to say police brutality doesn't matter, but it shows how out of touch these fools are with reality.

It seems like you have lost a little touch with reality yourself. The main reason why when police kills someone and gets media attention and when the gangbangers kill someone and doesn't get media attention is because gangbangers aren't sworn to protect and serve the public like the police.

a reply to: Edumakated

Numerous witnesses, but snitches get stitches...

Ironic actually, the community gets screwed twice, once by their that have no regard for their lives, then by the cops who have no regard for their lives. And snitches get stitches protects both of them.

Mind you, there are good people on both sides. There are good people in the poorer black community, and there are good cops. But there are also degenerates that prey on that community, from both sides, and they all live by the same motto [snitches get stitches or the blue wall of silence]

A black kid kills a black kid. It's a tragedy and everyone knows it. The wingers cry "the black community is it's own worst enemy."

A white kid kills a white kid. It's a tragedy and everyone knows it. But there's no narrative about "the white community is it's own worst enemy." Why not?

See the difference?

BLM and other groups, however, are not about people killing people, but about a recognizable and documented trend in law enforcement across this country to shoot black kids first (either with or without cause) and ask questions later and the fact that law enforcement officials are routinely given a "pass" in terms of culpability.

And look up the simple statistics. How many white kids have been shot in the back by police? Now, how many black kids?

Is BLM racist? Sure, probably so. So? Honestly, who isn't? Despite the right-wing talking points, racism is alive and well in the USA.

Our police in this country are supposed to represent the forces of order and law. They aren't "just another white kid or black kid." They are trained to handle situations, they are bound by the law as well as anyone.

It's a matter of "who watches the watchers" ... are any of you willing to say that you don't see a trend in this country toward ridiculous levels of police brutality and overreach?

It is not, in the truest sense of the words, a purely "black and white" situation. Nor is it a liberal conservative one.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: greencmp

Yes, as the negative effects of interventionism propagate, those very effects are then used to advocate for the need for more interventionism.

This is a resonant loop that will stress the fabric of society until it snaps.

It is probable that elements of our society and our government desire that very outcome.

Cloward–Piven strategy

Probable based on what? Strangely the only people who actually seem to care about and actively discuss Cloward-Piven are right-wingers who are obsessed with pretending its the blueprint for a grand conspiracy that doesn't exist.

If you want to talk about a real conspiracy, lets discuss coordinated brainwashing efforts of the conservative echo chamber that has people mindlessly discussing crap like the topic of this thread as though its a legitimate criticism of BLM.

White people kill white people every day too, I guess that completely precludes us from protesting as well? As a matter of fact, how can white people talk about black on black crime as long as there is white on white crime? Isn't that hypocrisy?

Hey, I'm here on ATS discussing this with generally left-minded folks like yourself because I think it matters.

I've seen some chasmic echo chambers on here that dwarf any libertarian cliques.

I'm unimpressed with racism in general so, I try to treat human behavior as just that. Having established a baseline and eliminated a variable, it is possible then to see that the destructive influence is the intervention itself, not any predilection for dependency.

That argument is straight out of "white man's burden" book of justifications.

originally posted by: Edumakated
as long as it isn't taken by a white cop.

So yesterday afternoon, a 9 year old kid was gunned down on the southside of Chicago in an alley. Just another dead black kid killed by other black kids. No social media. No Al Sharpton. No Deray McKesson. No buck dancing, bojangling preachers in zoot suits. No marches. No comments from President Zero saying if he had a son.

Numerous witnesses, but snitches get stitches...

I'm sick of the black community's hypocrisy and victimization cult.

It is stuff like this that makes the BLM movement minstrels a laughing stock that no one takes seriously. This is not to say police brutality doesn't matter, but it shows how out of touch these fools are with reality. Chiraq has claimed 432 murders year to date. 76% of the deceased are black. Not a peep.

Nine Year Old Killed

Bojangling preachers? Minstrels? President Zero? This post is full of offensive terms and the title is just clickbait.

This story is all over the news. You are looking for hypocrisy and to insult someone, but are missing the mark. If you are looking for a person in the religious community talking in the press you will find Rev. Michael Phleger Star Tribune.

The tone of your post is that black people are hypocritical attention seekers. Does that about sum it up?

a reply to: buster2010

This is true, however if there was public outrage over the former, the latter might be less prevalent. Not trying to condone the misdeeds of bad police officers, but many are inevitably formed out of working in those neighbourhoods which are written off by the public, which have no hope of melding with societal norms.

It's not to say a corrupt cop wouldn't be corrupt somewhere else. But when tasked with dealing with gang bangers, their choices are limited [as they should be to protect all peoples rights] so they begin by bending the rules, and it escalates to where anyone who fits the bill is guilty before trial.

Here's a story from Canada that came to mind thinking about this scenario:

A Toronto police officer found guilty of grabbing and squeezing the testicles of a motorist after a traffic stop two years ago will be sentenced Feb 2.
Const. Salameh Marji was found guilty of one count of assault and a count of sexual assault.
He was to be sentenced Monday but Justice Lucia Favret agreed to the adjournment to allow time for further submissions.
The charges stemmed from a traffic stop and search of a 21-year-old driver on Sept. 2, 2009.
The driver testified that Marji, who earlier that year was named police officer of the month, punched him in the face and slammed his head on the police cruiser.
In a search, which was considered unlawful by the judge, Marji also grabbed the driver twice by the testicles and squeezed so hard as to elicit screams of pain.

www.thestar.com...

From what I can gather, this all happened in a 'bad neighbourhood' and the cop, because he found a young student with multiple cell phones, immediately assumed he was a drug dealer [I believe the kid was black as well], but it turns out he just worked at a cell phone store.

I only bring this up to try and detail the root problems. The drug war being a huge one. Since its inception, the separation between youth and the community is massive, torn apart by stigma and mass paranoia, where the younger generation kind of revels in it and rebels, running an anti-social image that promotes anything to spite the bull# agenda driven policies of the government.

If society treated people like it should, I imagine a huge gap could be filled in between young people and 'the system'. Instead of everyone feeling like theyre persecuted, they might actually feel like theyre a part of society, and in turn stop fostering the horrid conditions that breeds so much hate, corruption, separation between humans.

wow.
This was an eye opener. I honestly had no idea Chicago was that bad.

a reply to: reldra

Actually, according to these folks, they're hypocritical attention seekers that have destroyed their families for the bait of a few hundred dollars per month because they have no ability to think on their own and make their own decisions.

It's stunning that the racists are even more racist when they think they're "taking up for" the Black community.

There is a social obsession right now with race, as well as several other topics, that end up crashing down into a heap of blatant hypocrisy. It is very regrettable because first and foremost, the entire issue is turned upon its ear and instead of doing good, it produces more animosity than anything else.

There was an old Mel Brooks movie from the '70s called, 'Blazing Saddles' that took race into comedic embrace, leaving genuine racists slinking away in shame. The way they did this was NOT to get angry with them, but to show them as the fools that they are.

Of course, that movie could not be made today. It just wouldn't be allowed. While there are unending screams for tolerance, the quarters from which they originate have none themselves to offer.

The late '70s and '80s were good days as we were learning to no longer play the old games. We were all people... all Americans regardless of ethnicity or sexual preferences. Unfortunately, during the '90s, political correctness blew in and that approach was shot down to hell.

Today, the concept that ALL lives matter without regard to skin color... is almost criminal in some places.

a reply to: Edumakated

the left cares..........about making her death an anti-gun anti-2nd amendment statistic! bazinga

originally posted by: Edumakated
as long as it isn't taken by a white cop.

So yesterday afternoon, a 9 year old kid was gunned down on the southside of Chicago in an alley. Just another dead black kid killed by other black kids. No social media. No Al Sharpton. No Deray McKesson. No buck dancing, bojangling preachers in zoot suits. No marches. No comments from President Zero saying if he had a son.

Numerous witnesses, but snitches get stitches...

I'm sick of the black community's hypocrisy and victimization cult.

It is stuff like this that makes the BLM movement minstrels a laughing stock that no one takes seriously. This is not to say police brutality doesn't matter, but it shows how out of touch these fools are with reality. Chiraq has claimed 432 murders year to date. 76% of the deceased are black. Not a peep.

Nine Year Old Killed

I don't think you understand what's going on.

If you don't think there are activists and town hall meetings and protests and marches and petitions and everything else going on in Chicago, then you don't know Chicago. Violence there is big news to the locals, just not nationally. Our media sucks.

But, black lives matter was founded on the belief that some police forces in some towns don't care about black lives as much as they do white lives and that police brutality and murdering of minority citizens by police is an issue.

When you want to combine separate issues you confuse things. using your logic, how come black lives matter doesn't protest global warming, war in Syria, Refugee crisis in Sweeden, raising minimum wage in Seattle, Gamergate, Domestic violence and planned parent hood. Let's settle down and take one issue on at a time.

If you're that concerned about Chicago, then do something about it. But discounting one protest or one movement to raise awareness for another doesn't help matters.

a reply to: Edumakated

Kind of hard to take you serious after:

No buck dancing, bojangling preachers in zoot suits.

In response to your topic minus the obvious agenda:

Yes, the race-pimps are subjecting us to their pimpery. Sadly many people such as yourself have fallen for their poison. Some of the people mentioned in your OP are definitely guilty of pushing an agenda when it's convenient for them and will ignore not so convenient incidents because they can't capitalize on them.

Most people know this.

Pointing out the obvious over and over while pointing fingers isn't going to fix anything. We all need to look past the divide and conquer propaganda we have all been indoctrinated with and see past this gigantic charade.

Race pimps gonna pimp....

Idiots gonna take the bait...

Who would shoot a 9 year old kid?

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Edumakated

It is stuff like this that makes the BLM movement minstrels a laughing stock that no one takes seriously. This is not to say police brutality doesn't matter, but it shows how out of touch these fools are with reality.

It seems like you have lost a little touch with reality yourself. The main reason why when police kills someone and gets media attention and when the gangbangers kill someone and doesn't get media attention is because gangbangers aren't sworn to protect and serve the public like the police.

You must have missed the part where all white people are being blamed for what cops do.

a reply to: greencmp

Hey, I'm here on ATS discussing this with generally left-minded folks like yourself because I think it matters.

I've seen some chasmic echo chambers on here that dwarf any libertarian cliques.

I'm unimpressed with racism in general so, I try to treat human behavior as just that. Having established a baseline and eliminated a variable, it is possible then to see that the destructive influence is the intervention itself, not any predilection for dependency.

That argument is straight out of "white man's burden" book of justifications.

I'm unimpressed with modern American libertarian attempts to understand human behavior. How can you blame 50 years of intervention and completely ignore the preceding four centuries of history — 300 years of chattel slavery followed by 100 years of legally sanctioned oppression, disenfranchisement and a complete lack of employment and educational opportunities?

I wonder at what arbitrary point you've established a baseline? I'll quote myself from this post in a thread just like this one entitled #AllLivesMatter:

The problem is the system hits poor blacks harder. Let me give you a brief history lesson if you'll allow it.

According to the 1900 Census data, half of black men and 35% of black women in the US, who reported an occupation, were agricultural workers. At this point, 90.1% of black folks still lived in the South (3.6% in the Northeast, 5.8% in the Midwest and a mere .5% in the West) and nearly 76% of all black families lived in rural areas (as opposed to 25% of white families) and the percentage that owned their own home was less than half of what it was for whites.

A commonly accepted method for gauging educational attainment in this period of American history would be the literacy questions from the Census. Here are the historical percentages of those aged 10 and older, living in Southern states, who were illiterate, 1880 - 1900, with black people on the left and white people on the right:

1880 76.2% - 21.5%
1890 60.7% - 14.9%
1900 48.0% - 11.7%

Not surprisingly given birth years prior to 1845, in 1900 a whopping 93.4% of Southern black women and 86.7% of Southern black men over the age of 55 were illiterate. Also from Census data, school attendance by age in 1900 (left column males black/white, right column females black/white):

Ages 6 to 13 .... 37.8%-72.2% ... 41.9%-71.9%
Ages 14 to 17 ... 26.7%-47.9% ... 36.2%-51.5%
Ages 18 to 21 .... 6.8%-10.4% .... 5.9% - 8.6%

Estimates are that in 1900, the average black man in the US earned approximately 45% of what the average white man earned. Now that we've established some baseline measures in 1900, lets track the progress of black in their struggle to reach economic (and therefore social) parity with whites going forward.

Three decades after the Civil War, segregation, racism, racial violence (thousands of lynchings for example) and a complete lack of economic opportunity led waves of blacks to emigrate from the South, seeking employment in industrialized urban centers elsewhere in the country such as Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, New York, Newark, Philadelphia/Camden, NJ, Oakland, Los Angeles, etc. In the period between about 1900 and 1930, around 1.6 million black folks migrated in what would be the first wave of the The Great Migration and the numbers of blacks in non-agricultural jobs increased drastically. For example, between 1910 and 1920 alone, the number of blacks employed in industrial sectors doubled.

You should take a moment to read that post in its entirety. It's not hard to understand how we got to where we are today and it has nothing to do with Cloward–Piven.