Islamic State releases video of shooting Russian plane out of the sky

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: stumason

The plane was filled with Russians. ISIS is mad at Russia for bombing them in Syria. It came down over ISIS held territory.

Purely coincidental, of course.

Exactly what I feared, a Russian Civilian Airliner comings crashing in a ISIS (affiliated) territory. Russia has so far not come out publicly about this tragedy.

I had earlier maintained this very sentiments that sooner or later a Russian plane will be shot down by ISIS with US issued shoulder mounted missile launchers. My intuitions were more of a "Russian military jet shot down" rather, but did not foresee an airliner in this case, which I think has more physiological implications on the Russian people and the world.

But whatever caused the crash, it is an indication or sign, that their is definitely a potential for support for the Russian military actions in Syria and more reason for Russia to destroy ISIS.

If it is true, that ISIS did indeed shoot down the Russian Airplane, then they have made one mistake that is going to cost them dearly.

What that will do, is bring the Russians in fully, as they are not going to stand by and see their aircraft or people killed, and they are merciless when it comes to counter terrorism. So they are going to wait and see what the black box states.

If said black box states that a missile hit it, then this is what will happen:

Russia will move boots onto the ground in Syria, and start a systematic sweep to attack and kill any and all members of ISIS and those suspected of such. It will put pressure on those countries who it has influences on such, ensuring that they also step up their game and it will be brutal.

a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Perhaps a book written by Zbigniew Brzezinski called The Grand Chessboard might help clarify why Eurasia is important for american global primacy. The question is whether Russia would challenge american global primacy without an alliance from China. We could be on the brink of a much larger conflict that could affect a great many more life's.

a reply to: stuthealien

Sounds like the US is giving a lot of guns and ammo to a lot of different people with the goal of destabilizing Assad. Not totally convinced yet that the US is currently or has ever intended to do direct weapons deals with the isis we know of today. They're giving weapons to someone though, some of those people weren't to be trusted, and the US stupidly went ahead anyways. That's for sure. I think the truth will start to come out closer to the end of the war...if there's anyone left alive. If it turns out the CIA was directly funding the creation of the Islamic State for the purpose of using extreme tactics to destabilize and it's proven that they were paying mercenaries to join isis knowing that isis was lining up humans to be beheaded then it's time for the American people to reign in the government. I've had enough with the whole thing anyways so who am I kidding? I just wish we'd leave that awful place.

a reply to: glend

See, I get the bigger picture. That's the easy part to understand. If it's become US policy to take all necessary measures to ensure global domination then it's time for a big change. I just don't get supporting known murderers. It doesn't do the US any good. They know this information will leak to the press. These guns get into all the bad guys hands and none of these bad guys are saying "hey look at my m4!"? Why aren't people pulling pictures of dead isis fighters with American weapons? The locals would know and the evidence would spread. There's nothing like that going on so far. A lot of speculation, but there's no real "on the ground" evidence.

a reply to: InnerPeace2012

But whatever caused the crash, it is an indication or sign, that their is definitely a potential for support for the Russian military actions in Syria and more reason for Russia to destroy ISIS.

As fast as they can, before US 'advisors' get there.

Also reflects the job Russia is doing on all flavors of US backed insurgency.

a reply to: BrokedownChevy
One thing to consider is that it wouldn't necessarily have to be American weapons.
What better way to hide your tracks?

a reply to: BrokedownChevy

" It doesn't do the US any good".

True, but like a badly programmed machine, US corporations seek greed relentlessly, with no regard to life or righteous. Because that machine now controls society (fascism) everything else (democracy, news. education, truth etc) is manipulated to minimizes rebellion. Only power and profit matters.

Well, they did report on all the big news outlets a few hours ago that the plane "broke up" in the sky...

I'm no air craft mechanic, but how many things can mechanically cause such an accident?

The footage is terrible quality, but it's very ominous looking to me...

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
If it is true, that ISIS did indeed shoot down the Russian Airplane, then they have made one mistake that is going to cost them dearly.

What that will do, is bring the Russians in fully, as they are not going to stand by and see their aircraft or people killed, and they are merciless when it comes to counter terrorism. So they are going to wait and see what the black box states.

If said black box states that a missile hit it, then this is what will happen:

Russia will move boots onto the ground in Syria, and start a systematic sweep to attack and kill any and all members of ISIS and those suspected of such. It will put pressure on those countries who it has influences on such, ensuring that they also step up their game and it will be brutal.

Or, they'll just turn Syria into an empty sand box...I'd run like hell if I lived there. Feel so sorry for the innocents...They're the ones who suffer.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: MrSpad

Actually, a lot of people believe the west is funding ISIS. Or you could call it a coincidence all those times the west accidentally dropped weapons to ISIS. Or training of the terrorists.

And those people are idiots who think the world is black and white and simply do not get the mult-faceted and nuanced conflict going on in Syria

The west has been bombing ISIS for how long now?

Just over a year.

And why does Russia has more success in a month than the west has had in years?

They haven't been bombing IS, they've been hitting other rebels groups for the most part and I'd like you to quantify this "success" they've had, outside of ludicrous claims by some in Russia to have IS on the run, because they are not.. In fact, they took a town near Homs in Syria yesterday from [I]Government[/I] forces - Homs being the very province the Russians have been hitting the hardest....

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a reply to: intrptr

Irrelevant - the fact is, unless they managed to steal a former Syrian SAM system and smuggle it into the Sinai, they don't have missiles capable of doing the job, no matter what your crazy, warped mind wants to believe.

Also, it's not really "IS territory". There are some small groups active in the area which are affiliated with IS, but it's not like they actually control any territory in the peninsula.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Can a stinger missile be shot out of a plane say at 15,000 feet , makes the target plane a lot closer . If i was a terrorist that would be my line of thinking .

a reply to: hutch622

I'd consider that unlikely.. If your scenario is that they hang out of a light aircraft door and fire it, that is far too high to do so.

Is this Karma payback for MH17?

a reply to: stumason

Unlikely but not impossible . Isis has shown itself to be highly innovative .

a reply to: hutch622

Innovative, yes, but able to breath at 15,000 ft and hold a MANPAD while firing it an airliner 15,000 ft above them is another thing entirely...

posted in error

a reply to: stumason

The standard sport skydiving altitude is 12,500 feet AGL (Above Ground Level), sometimes up to 18,000 feet depending on the altitude of the drop zone, type of aircraft and type of jump.

Not suggesting they are shooting from a parachute . But 18,000 feet is getting up there . And if a man can fit out of the door i am sure a missile can .

a reply to: stumason

yes but that's western warfare (everyone comes home) thinking...

What if the pilot/plane and shooter were all not coming home.. one way mission.. it's kinda the MO...

Is it possible?

EDIT/ADD: I'm leaning more to a bomb on the plane, and Egypt having a critical security lapse.. i don't buy the accident theory pushed by a few influential members.. i think the only reason we're still debating anything is Russia wants to be 100% sure before it lays the hammer down in response.