It's time to wake up!

originally posted by: Andy1144
But you can only experience here and now, you can't experience differently.

Says who?

Maybe you have not but you can't say that I have not.

I only have logic to back it up.

Subjective logic, which amounts to opinion.

But if science is your only standard, then I can't prove anything to you.

What other shared standard is there?

a reply to: daskakik
Argue all you like but no one has ever experienced any other 'time' but now. You can check - when ever you check it will be now.
But 'now' might imply time but time is a thought construct.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
Argue all you like but no one has ever experienced any other 'time' but now. You can check - when ever you check it will be now.
But 'now' might imply time but time is a thought construct.

I'm not arguing it. I'm telling you.

You don't have to believe it and I'm not out to prove it to you.

a reply to: daskakik
What exactly are you telling me?
You asked 'who says that only now can be experienced?'
Are you telling me that you have experienced another time but now? If you believe you have experienced another time - if you had asked yourself at that point, in your experience, it would be here and now.
You are here and now - it is a prime fact. You are always here - here and now is what you are - inseparable.

a reply to: daskakik
What you are cannot be 'there' or 'then' - because you are here now.
Ever present awareness isn't somewhere else or some when else.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
What exactly are you telling me?

That I have experienced more than just the now.

You asked 'who says that only now can be experienced?'

Rhetorical question.

Are you telling me that you have experienced another time but now? If you believe you have experienced another time - if you had asked yourself at that point, in your experience, it would be here and now.
You are here and now - it is a prime fact. You are always here - here and now is what you are - inseparable.

That's your opinion.

Maybe if you had experienced what I did you would agree but, since it seems that you have not then, all we can have is a difference of opinions.

a reply to: daskakik

Maybe if you had experienced what I did you would agree but, since it seems that you have not then, all we can have is a difference of opinions.

You seem to missing the point - you and here/now cannot be separated - ever. Only thought can tell a story now, about another time and place - you are the witness to the thoughts - the witness is ever present watching the stories arise.
Whatever appears as vision or sound is seen now/here - thoughts about other times appear here/now.
Nothing can appear any other 'time' - time is a thought construct.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
You seem to missing the point

No, you want to force your opinion on me and I am not accepting that.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
You seem to missing the point

No, you want to force your opinion on me and I am not accepting that.

It is words on a screen - no forcing happening - are you a victim now?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Please, you know it's just asn idiom. You are insiting that you are right and I'm not accepting it.

a reply to: daskakik
Well - it is not an opinion - it is obvious - it is here anyway.
I have no intention of forcing anything upon you but if you keep writing that it cannot be proved there will be presentations presented - which will direct one to see for oneself.
If one does not look then that makes no difference to me - I am not here to convince anyone.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
Well - it is not an opinion - it is obvious - it is here anyway.

But that is based on the assumption that this is all there is.

I have no intention of forcing anything upon you but if you keep writing that it cannot be proved there will be presentations presented - which will direct one to see for oneself.

I have already seen it, and more, which is why your presentations don't mean anything to me.

If one does not look then that makes no difference to me - I am not here to convince anyone.

Then do yourself a favor and stop replying to me.

originally posted by: daskakik

I have already seen it, and more, which is why your presentation don't mean anything to me.

What have you seen? What is this 'it and more'?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
What have you seen? What is this 'it and more'?

Makes no difference. You won't believe me and I'm also not looking to convince you.

a reply to: daskakik

That I have experienced more than just the now.

Whatever that was, you've experienced it in this moment. You even agreed with this. But it's impossible to make a point with you. Your logic is the reason we're going in circles.

But that is based on the assumption that this is all there is.

Wrong, this is known directly. And I still really don't know what your whole point was in participating in this discussion.

You won't believe me and I'm also not looking to convince you.

Aren't you trying to convince us we're wrong? If not then what would be the point of the discussion.

originally posted by: Andy1144
Whatever that was, you've experienced it in this moment. You even agreed with this. But it's impossible to make a point with you. Your logic is the reason we're going in circles.

No, I clearly stated that I agreed that it is a commanality among humans for the sake of disussion.

Wrong, this is known directly.

Well, people had no idea that microorganisms existed all around us and that air is in fact full of stuff but you sound so sure I might just have to believe you but, I probably won't.

Aren't you trying to convince us we're wrong?

No, I'm saying that you can be wrong.

If not then what would be the point of the discussion.

Showing other readers how "religious" some people can be with secular ideas sounds ok.

a reply to: daskakik

Well, people had no idea that microorganisms existed all around us and that air is in fact full of stuff but you sound so sure I might just have to believe you but, I probably won't.

No, that deals with beliefs. The fact that I am aware in this moment is known even as small child.

No, I'm saying that you can be wrong.

So your trying to convince me that I can be wrong. But when I say, all that can be experienced, is this moment, that is true. Not because I said so, but because everyone knows it deep down and you've even said everyone knows this.


This is simple and certain logic and cannot be wrong.

originally posted by: Andy1144
No, that deals with beliefs. The fact that I am aware in this moment is known even as small child.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you understand everything that is going on.

So your trying to convince me that I can be wrong. But when I say, all that can be experienced, is this moment, that is true. Not because I said so, but because everyone knows it deep down and you've even said everyone knows this.

This is simple and certain logic and cannot be wrong.

If you can't be wrong then don't lie about being open to changing your mind.

Just like a religious zealot. Called that way back.

a reply to: daskakik

Yes, but that doesn't mean you understand everything that is going on.

But that doesn't mean that I can know some things for sure.

Just like a religious zealot. Called that way back.

Yeah I remember. Still contemplating those words to this day.

originally posted by: Andy1144
But that doesn't mean that I can know some things for sure.

Nobody said you can't.

Yeah I remember. Still contemplating those words to this day.

You don't know what they mean?