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originally posted by: Andy1144
Yes it does but science isn't necessary to figure absolutely everything out. As I said, we cannot imagine non existence, this is a fact made without the help of science.

I don't have to accept what you say just because you believe it and repeat it over and over.

Without science, I also came to the conclusion god isn't real because something like that cannot possibly be coherent with our reality. You can stop at "we don't know" but that's not good enough.

You can come to any conlcusion you like. What you can't do is prove it which, has been my point all along, and here we are going for another round with you still not proving anything.

a reply to: daskakik

I can prove it is impossible to imagine non existence using logic.

a reply to: Andy1144

Maybe with your definitions of what imagination and existance are but you can't prove it to the standards that some people require.

a reply to: daskakik

Agreed, that would be impossible. If someone had a standard that the bible is logic then science to that standard would be illogical. If that's what you were implying by standards.

originally posted by: Andy1144
Agreed, that would be impossible. If someone had a standard that the bible is logic then science to that standard would be illogical. If that's what you were implying by standards.

No, I mean the scientific standard.

a reply to: daskakik

Do you think it is possible to have a universal standard of logic, that would apply to everything?

a reply to: Andy1144

Seriously get over yourself! There are many possible definitions of god, not all of them come from the bible. Like Hobbes description in leviathan, but i guess you don't even know what that is.
Personal experience, or the need for comfort...
You are sooooooo...... Full of yourself. Must be awesome to be the one who knows it all, with all certainty.

a reply to: Andy1144

Don't see how that touches on the fact that your claims are not backed up by science. That the results of the tests that you are using to base your claims are inconclusive and some don't even address "control".

a reply to: daskakik

Do they necessarily need to be backed up by science in order to be universally true? It is proved that god cannot exist, doesn't this apply universally?

originally posted by: Andy1144
Do they necessarily need to be backed up by science in order to be universally true?

No but it needs to be backed up by science to be scientifically proven.

It is proved that god cannot exist, doesn't this apply universally?

It isn't scientifically proven.

You sound as bad as the religious zealots.

a reply to: daskakik

No but it needs to be backed up by science to be scientifically proven.

Yes, but I want to talk about what can be universally applied. I need logic for this not scientific evidence.

It isn't scientifically proven.

Ok, but it is still true he doesn't exist nonetheless.

You sound as bad as the religious zealots.

You tell people god doesn't exist and they call you religious, great.

originally posted by: Andy1144
Yes, but I want to talk about what can be universally applied. I need logic for this not scientific evidence.

What does universally even mean.

Your logic still isn't proof.

Ok, but it is still true he doesn't exist nonetheless.

But can you prove it?

You tell people god doesn't exist and they call you religious, great.

Your comprehension skills are very poor.

a reply to: daskakik

What does universally even mean.

Proof that is valid for everyone.

But can you prove it?

No, you can't prove a negative but you can still know he doesn't exist.

Your comprehension skills are very poor.

And I have accused you of the same, but calling each other this won't really help the discussion progress.

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originally posted by: Andy1144
Proof that is valid for everyone.

You don't have it so it's all just talk anyway.

No, you can't prove a negative but you can still know he doesn't exist.

Right, but, what do you get out of taunting the religious people?

It still isn't proof of anything

And I have accused you of the same, but calling each other this won't really help the discussion progress.

But in this case the reason is pretty obvious.

a reply to: Andy1144

Lame, since I posted the concept in this very thread back on page 28.

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How can we know god doesn't exist if we can't prove he doesn't? It's because we have absolutely no reasonable reason to do so. Right?

a reply to: Andy1144

Off topic.

You can't see how much you twist logic to get where you want, can you?

a reply to: daskakik

It is related to the topic, I am just using this example first to get there. So please answer the question. How can you know god doesn't exist if you can't prove he doesn't?

originally posted by: Andy1144
It is related to the topic, I am just using this example first to get there. So please answer the question. How can you know god doesn't exist if you can't prove he doesn't?

No, I will not answer your loaded questions.