It's time to wake up!

a reply to: Andy1144

Do you even know what conditioning means? I don't think so...

a reply to: Peeple

It means cause being influenced by something.

originally posted by: Andy1144
But your not saying specifically where so I don't know what your talking about.

It doesn't matter because as soon as I point it out you dismiss it.

Your whole argument is based on your definitions and you will not accept any others, except to say that you agree but, you mean things another way.

That is a good thing to point out to anyone else following the thread.

a reply to: Andy1144

That's condition not conditioning!

a reply to: Peeple

I'm sure he will agree but...

a reply to: Peeple

Well i gave the dictionaries definition of it but what does it mean?

a reply to: daskakik

Your whole argument is based on your definitions and you will not accept any others, except to say that you agree but, you mean things another way.

You see your doing the same thing. your not accepting my definition and your basing on your own. Same thing.

a reply to: Andy1144

Conditioning? No mate sorry, i am not your google.

a reply to: Andy1144

Link?

a reply to: Andy1144

Even when someone else posted a link to the definition of free will, it was mine?

have a significant influence on or determine (the manner or outcome of something). I got that from writing "conditioning dictionary definition" on google.

a reply to: Andy1144

But it is actually the definition of the verb "condition".

Link

a reply to: Andy1144

Classical and evaluational conditioning, is what i thought we are talking about? Since this is mostly psychological as a discussion?

I have no idea what my next action will be. I cannot find any control here. This is fool proof evidence that there is no such thing as free will.

There is an experiment where a person is hooked with an MRI scanner. The observers of the subject could see what decision he would make 6 seconds before he made it. Decisions are determined before they manifest. No free choice here.
Free will to do otherwise does not exist in this sense.

originally posted by: Andy1144
I have no idea what my next action will be. I cannot find any control here. This is fool proof evidence that there is no such thing as free will.

Again with the claim of proof.

There is an experiment where a person is hooked with an MRI scanner. The observers of the subject could see what decision he would make 6 seconds before he made it. Decisions are determined before they manifest. No free choice here.
Free will to do otherwise does not exist in this sense.

Before they are manifest doesn't mean that there isn't any control. That is an argument from ignorance.

originally posted by: daskakik

Before they are manifest doesn't mean that there isn't any control. That is an argument from ignorance.

An argument from ignorance is when one has not looked for themselves.
I can say the sky is blue and someone who does not look at the sky can argue all day long that it is green or not blue!!

a reply to: Andy1144
If they won't look then why bother - remember the post you sent me on another thread??

It takes a lot of self honesty and critical inquiry to actually get to a point where you can talk and apply these with honesty. And you won't find many of these people here.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
An argument from ignorance is when one has not looked for themselves.
I can say the sky is blue and someone who does not look at the sky can argue all day long that it is green or not blue!!

There you go wanting to just substitute your own definition.

Argument from ignorance

a reply to: Itisnowagain

What if someone has looked and saw something else?

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Itisnowagain

What if someone has looked and saw something else?

What did that someone else see when they looked?