There never has been a Christian nation

a reply to: Gryphon66

What did you say about making it personal, LesMis?

Focus on the subject not me.

Sure. Let me know when you start talking about it.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

What did you say about making it personal, LesMis?

Focus on the subject not me.

Sure. Let me know when you start talking about it.

See above.

You, however, seem to be stuck on snarky comments.

/shrug

a reply to: Gryphon66

If that's how you read it, that's what you're going to get.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

If that's how you read it, that's what you're going to get.

Right. It's always about someone else.

Take some responsibility for your own actions, for once.

/ignore

a reply to: Gryphon66

Right. It's always about someone else.

Take some responsibility for your own actions, for once.

What, typing words on the internet? Yes I take full responsibility. But I won't take responsibility for someone crying over what they read on the internet.

Eta: Cheers

originally posted by: randyvs


I've always thought it to be wrong for a man to be made a slave to
the roof over his head for thirty to forty years any way. If he pays
it off at all, it's just before he croaks. What kind of sh!t is that?
This whole system man has made can go straight in the toilet if
you ask me.

The "Tiny House Movement" may also intersect with these charitable efforts to help house the homeless:

Tiny Houses for the Homeless

Why can't all the countries do as Utuh has done? And what about all the refugees in Europe? Why can't out countries build little cabin like places for the needy? Here in England we have an awful,housing shortage due mainly to all the emigrants now living here and we are only a small little country. God help all those poor people who have no bed for the night and the winter is coming on too. Heather B

a reply to: Oaptruthseeker

Why can't out countries build little cabin like places for the needy?

That's the sort of question I did try to cover in the OP. Not an
easy task when you're try'n hard not offend any of the diverse
mind sets.

Truly mankind, that includes us all you and I seems ill in his heart and
mind. Exponentially in decay morally, ethically and socially.

In a word, greed.

If the human race ever becomes just a memory in some timeless
consciousness apart or with-in the universe. It will likely be because
our greed was unforgettable and unmatched, that we are remembered
at all.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yeah like that. In a KOA setting with showers and restrooms
in a seperate building. All maintained and cleaned by those who
would be staying on as permanent residents. Anything to keep
their humanity and hygiene up while in pursuit of whatever next
big career move they plan to make. In a thriving economy it
might be surprising how many would pull up out of the gutter
and become functional once again.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Alright then, stop being so real all the time and I'll stop
saying you're being negative. I'm kidding with you on
this auspicious occasion of civility between us. I wonder
if there are any ATS threads on Faberge' eggs? Lucrative
in some cases is an understatement. Maybe ungodly
lucrative?

a reply to: randyvs
Really good example - KOAs

All of that is doable - construction and materials is work and money for somebody - humans are treated with dignity and given a chance to move out of bad circumstances into something better

There really is no good reason why we can't all decide to make the best if a bad situation and help each other

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

There really is no good reason why we can't all decide to make the best if a bad situation and help each other

I don't know why but reading that just got me all choked up.
I'm all misty right now. Darn you Spiram!

But yeah, that's it pretty much and we only have to hate mans
inhumanity to man enough and love each other a lot more.
Christmas is coming!

a reply to: randyvs
And that just choked me up...

Honestly randyvs? We are more good than bad - all of us

I have no choice but to be optimistic about us - there's no point in giving in to the alternative

This day was really getting to me - what with us going back to war and all - but simple things like this thread really help

Now that we're getting all huggy, I'd like to apologize to Randy, Spira, and Gryphon for my apparently poor form. I thought we were having a friendly go at each other, passing the menial of our day together in debate and jest. I know better to tip toe around you from now on. Happy Friday and have a gory weekend.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That was excellent form

Maybe apologize to Benevolent Heretic too and we'll call it a day :-)

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Come on now Les, you owe me no apology. I'm as happy as a nut
in a luny bin with how this thread turned out. Besides you
and anyone who's been around here for six months knows I'm
rarely so congenial. Now where's my hug? Man hug only!

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I guess I just don't want you to look at the aggressive or stingy denominations & think they speak for all of the denominations. I'm not a Christian but I have tremendous respect for anyone who tries to help others. And there are plenty of Christian organizations, political parties, and government administrations that actually promote the Gospels.

Well it sounds like you know what you're talk'n about. I had
no idea about argentina. And you're also correct that in my view
of any nation being a Christian nation. It would certainly have to
model the teachings of Christ in it's law making and daily business.
Not to mention elected officials should all be believers for a nation
to be considered a truly Christian nation. But that's just my view
and nothing for anyone to hate on Randy about.

Pure speculation peeps. Please avoid drift.

( back peddles two steps and then side steps
quickly behind curtain. Enter penguin with top hat and cain )

No problems, man lol. I used to say the same things you mentioned in your OP. Especially living in the Southeast, where everyone talked abut religion until it came time to help poor Americans & "turn the cheek" to their enemies. I didn't even know the "Social Gospel" was a real ideology until my Dad schooled me on it roughly 4 years ago. Now I respect the groups that follow it & try to encourage more people to look into its policies. (So thanks for giving me a chance to point people towards it, muahahahaha!)

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I'm assuming you're still a youngster say early twenties
and if that's true? I'm impressed.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I can hear it now: "They're rewarding laziness! All those homeless people will do is take advantage of the help!"

I guarantee you any homeless person would kill to have a job, but since they don't have a home they can't wash, since they can't wash and don't have any kind of nice clothes they have no chance of impressing someone in an interview if they even get that far.

Giving these people a place to live and clean up is a stepping stone to them getting a job and providing for themselves eventually. Some people (Christians in the context of this thread, the conservative right, highly religious) would rather leave them to fend for themselves instead of giving them a hand.

I completely missed this post. All I can say is good on you L1ght!. For once.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Les, I do not judge anyone, they judge themselves by their own actions and I see the effects of those judgements and actions. Their actions speak for themselves. If they are willing to pay out of pocket but not through taxes, it is probably because they can just drive by the homeless guy on the interstate exit but they can't avoid paying taxes.

I stop every so often and give them a few bucks if I have it to spare but I can't really do that all the time. I am glad to pay a few more taxes to help them and also give them homes and showers to rejoin the working class. It is greed and selfishness to not contribute to the well being of others in my opinion.

The same goes for universal healthcare as well. It's selfishness to not want to help those in need in the best way possible. I can not afford a home or shower for these people, but my taxes can. It's that little bit more that I'm willing to pay to help them out regardless of their past.

As I have said, the Conservative Christian political arm ignores Jesus when he says to give without expectation of return, they for the vast majority (of the extreme right) do not want universal healthcare or that word called welfare. This is only speaking of the homeless or "honest" welfare though, not those who abuse it.