The Decline of Ufology: Decades of Fraud, Frustration and Failure?

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

There was a team responsible for investigating the rash of 'foo fighter' sightings in the early 1940s. The guy responsible for that study was later involved in the Sign Project and Robertson Panel and the name escapes me. There isn't an official designation for what they did and it was only discovered by references in other reports by a researcher called Keith Chester iirc.

It's not known what happened to the reports.

AFAIK that would have been the earliest official look at reports of unusual aerial sightings.

Among the Bluebook explanations for “Known”:

Report:
Light was observed to move across the sky and then stop.
After approximately 45 minutes the light began to move again slowly, before disappearing away at high speed.

Conclusion:
Star


a reply to: skyeagle409

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Simply amazing! I have to question the mindset of the Blue Book team members.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Simply amazing! I have to question the mindset of the Blue Book team members.

Well, it is highly common knowledge that Blue Book was the AFOSI program to explain away all UFO sightings as mundane things, so that congress would get off their backs.
Special report 14, which was classified and only included sightings of a national security interest were in that one.
There were other special reports by Blue Book which may still be classified today.

Magneto-Aerodynamics is a classified subject for a reason, and that reason absolutely pertains to non-human originated technology which the military and contractors are currently hoarding everything known about it. We wouldn't want ISIS getting a hold of of such things though, so they really need to, but of course they would just think it is the devil and blow up a building or two and call it good.

It is so much easier believing if you have seen a close up saucer demonstration, minus the extra and undesired radiation exposure, of course.

The primary reason I'm so interested in this stuff is that as far as I see, anything a government doesn't or wouldn't want its citizens to know about should be public knowledge, bar a few obvious things that are actually relevant to national security (for once, ever) like covert military operations.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Your signature probably sums it all up.


I would say the truth is judging by this thread, that ufology is not in decline and has enjoyed decades of success by dedicated ufologists who have done nothing but expose the fraudsters and document what facts, testimony, government paper trials and reports, they could obtain, and not forgetting some of the interesting ancient comment on the subject, then presented it extremely well.

Don't yet believe in aliens and their craft, siriusly, you must be crazy.

a reply to: kode

...ufology is not in decline and has enjoyed decades of success by dedicated ufologists who have done nothing but expose the fraudsters and document what facts, testimony, government paper trials and reports, they could obtain, and not forgetting some of the interesting ancient comment on the subject, then presented it extremely well.

What successes are you specifically talking about?

Don't yet believe in aliens and their craft, siriusly, you must be crazy.

What would you say is definitive proof that there are "aliens and their craft" from Sirius for all the crazy people out there ?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: kode

...ufology is not in decline and has enjoyed decades of success by dedicated ufologists who have done nothing but expose the fraudsters and document what facts, testimony, government paper trials and reports, they could obtain, and not forgetting some of the interesting ancient comment on the subject, then presented it extremely well.

What successes are you specifically talking about?

Don't yet believe in aliens and their craft, siriusly, you must be crazy.

What would you say is definitive proof that there are "aliens and their craft" from Sirius for all the crazy people out there ?

Isn't it childish of you to try and score cheap points over this poster's typo, in which he simply left the "o" out of "seriously"?

Especially since everything he said is right on the money.
It paints you in a very poor light, but then again, so did your original post.

originally posted by: trueskepticnumberone

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: kode

...ufology is not in decline and has enjoyed decades of success by dedicated ufologists who have done nothing but expose the fraudsters and document what facts, testimony, government paper trials and reports, they could obtain, and not forgetting some of the interesting ancient comment on the subject, then presented it extremely well.

What successes are you specifically talking about?

Don't yet believe in aliens and their craft, siriusly, you must be crazy.

What would you say is definitive proof that there are "aliens and their craft" from Sirius for all the crazy people out there ?

Isn't it childish of you to try and score cheap points over this poster's typo, in which he simply left the "o" out of "seriously"?

Especially since everything he said is right on the money.
It paints you in a very poor light, but then again, so did your original post.

Really scdfa, you pulling somebody up over correcting somebody else's syntactical errors.

The hypocrisy is mind boggling.

a reply to: trueskepticnumberone

Hello skudfur me old chum. I took it as a subtle play on words to hint that aliens came from Sirius. YOU jumped on the spelling mistake

a reply to: mirageman

The utter mass of information which has been thoroughly researched by those who want to know the truth leads to a definitive answer of yes, its an affirmative conclusion. I really think that anyone who cares to look into ufology will see what is obvious. But as said many times over, if the whole subject wants to be hidden or kept from general acceptance by TPTB then that is the way it will stay.

For instance, know one really knew about what the governments where up to when they were building supersonic jets, and know one certainly knew about all the tests and experiments carried out by governments on their own people (i find that the most insidious of all) until one day a US president actually admitted to it and apologised!

The fact that ufology has been a success lies in the reports that almost a third of the USA, GB Germany and a good portion of the planet believe in the existence of aliens and their craft. That would go to show that ufology has done a phenomenal job. If anything i might expect that it's been such a success that it has become dangerous. As pointed out on another thread i read on ATS where its was commented on the ferocity of some members to shout you down on the subject.

Ufology will continue to succeed. Simply because it's true.

Ps siriusly was just a pun.

a reply to: kode

'Siriusly' that was a pun ! You gotta laugh sometimes.

I haven't been able to keep up with this thread recently as life has been getting in the way. But I purposely wrote it with a very provocative slant in the hope that it would create a decent debate on here.

I think the majority of people on the planet now believe there must be other intelligent life out there. Is that due to ufology, mainstream science discovering exo-planets or the influence of science fiction? Probably a mix of all those elements. UFOs are real and until they become IFOs they remain a mystery. But what we've never been able to pinpoint is the hard evidence of any extra terrestrial intelligence visiting this planet. Which is the common perception people apply when they see something they can't explain in the sky.

Do governments cover things up? Of course they do and we have the proof. There is also proof they have meddled in the UFO topic since at least the 1947 and instigated a cover up back in the 1950s. However real proof they are concealing an ET presence from us remains elusive. In fact is it possible for the 200+ national governments to agree on such a unified policy whilst disagreeing and even being at war during the past 7 decades?

As for ufology I am seeing it dangerously follow the path of becoming simply entertainment for the masses. There are a few good guys still out there digging for the truth. But it's difficult without the necessary resources and many have long abandoned their objectivity for financial reward in the field. Others have never been interested in finding the truth and gone straight for feeding the gullible with what they want to hear in exchange for their cash. It is also necessary to check the claims of the debunkers as some of their explanations are verging on the ridiculous. The truth is out there somewhere and search must go on.

a reply to: kode

"If anything i might expect that it's been such a success that it has become dangerous. As pointed out on another thread i read on ATS where its was commented on the ferocity of some members to shout you down on the subject."

Yes, it is enough to make one wonder why they are here at all. Is it just a chance for them to argue with someone who won't punch them?

I left this website for a few years, because there was just too much baloney being posted. Since I came back I have found some really good post. But there are still the same jokers who want to deny everything. Maybe it is an ego thing. humans have trouble accepting that they are not the top of the food chain.

If you don't like Rap music, why spend your free time in a Rap forum? Makes no sense, unless they are just a bunch of Jimbo sock puppets, who are actually getting paid to talk down the idea that aliens are visiting our planet. Cush job that one.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

If you don't like Rap music, why spend your free time in a Rap forum?

So you equate people that are skeptical of ET as people that hate the topic? Why not get together with like minded people and start a private forum somewhere and just ban the skeptics?

originally posted by: kode
The fact that ufology has been a success lies in the reports that almost a third of the USA, GB Germany and a good portion of the planet believe in the existence of aliens and their craft. That would go to show that ufology has done a phenomenal job.

If this is truly what ufology has accomplished, then it's done a phenomenal job of leading people down a dead-end path, because there is absolutely NO good evidence that links UFOs with aliens of any sort.

"What I saw was a flying craft, and I'm completely sure there's nothing made on Earth that could move like that, so it MUST be aliens," is fundamentally crappy logic.

That sidesteps the question but it's also a good idea. Is there a way I can put Blue Shift and his lack of common sense on ignore?a reply to: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
That sidesteps the question but it's also a good idea. Is there a way I can put Blue Shift and his lack of common sense on ignore?a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Try closing your eyes, plugging your ears, and loudly singing "LA LA LA LA".

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
That sidesteps the question but it's also a good idea. Is there a way I can put Blue Shift and his lack of common sense on ignore?a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Try closing your eyes, plugging your ears, and loudly singing "LA LA LA LA".

Won't you just end up knocking stuff over and looking silly?

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
That sidesteps the question but it's also a good idea. Is there a way I can put Blue Shift and his lack of common sense on ignore?a reply to: ZetaRediculian

I thought it was a rhetorical question. But if you must know, I am totally down with old school gansta rap and LL Cooljay was de bomb. Yo, peace out.

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