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a reply to: Cobaltic1978

I have. That is how I voted last year.

But I fundamentally do not trust labour.

So if my conservative MP became unfit for service I would vote for a 3rd party instead over labour.

We are not the USA remember? We dont live in a two party state.

a reply to: crazyewok

The are all the same mate, Cameron is just as bad.
2 masks on the same face,the left right paradigm and all that.
If not for the WMD buffonery people would have probably backed his snide underhanded tactics in trying to bomb Assad 2 years ago and for that we can thank Blair as the majority are against war of any kind.

originally posted by: southbeach
a reply to: crazyewok

The are all the same mate, Cameron is just as bad.
2 masks on the same face,the left right paradigm and all that.
If not for the WMD buffonery people would have probably backed his snide underhanded tactics in trying to bomb Assad 2 years ago and for that we can thank Blair as the majority are against war of any kind.

Well the MP i voted for was never in power in 2003 and voted against the syria bombing.So I took a safe bet and voted for her.

Our local new labour candidate was a standard blairite scum bag who was a private educated banker.

a reply to: crazyewok

So even if your local Labour candidate was doing well and working hard for their constituents, you wouldn't vote for them?

Labour activists are doing their best to distance themselves from this War Criminal, but of course the damage is done. The Tories would have done the same I feel, it was just a matter of which grinning idiot was in power at the time.

We do have more than 2 Parties to choose from, but realistically only one of two parties will have the opportunity to govern.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

As you said the damage is done.

Reputation talks.

I wont consider labour one iota unless you expelled every former blairite .

Though to be fair im not exactly a socialist. So there policys dont appeal to me anyway.


Though I would at least respect them if they purged the party of all labour mps in office in 2003.

originally posted by: crazyewok
We all knew blair was a traitorous little weasel.

He is why I will NEVER not in a million years EVER vote or support labour in any way shape or form.

I find your stance on this unusual, from somebody that normally has a level headed opinion this seems a little extreme.

Are you sure you have not been drawn into a trap? The Media are throwing everything they can at Corbyn and the left right now, I personally think they are scared of what could happen and are trying to deflect the publics opionion in any dirty way they can.

Does it not seem that the timing of this is a little too convinent or am I just being too skeptical here?

a reply to: nonspecific

I held this opinion long before corbyn.

I have despised blair since 2003 so this isn't a new development on my part.

Im not a fan of corbyn either but for other reasons. Though unlike blair I dont actively hate or despise Corbyn, just disgree with his political views.

I've been sitting with this personal knowledge for a while and I feel guilty.

I know my country is guilty of crimes, however I am NOT my country.

I want to seek an asylum of like-minded individuals who only live for humanity first and always.

Any suggestions?

a reply to: EvanB

I will not lie, I went to join up with the forces for the first Iraq war as we had media saying thing's like "Does he have a WMD that can reach Britain, for this reason and since my grandfathers were both in the service I myself went to join but as we all remember it was not a war but more of a route of the Iraqi forces whom had poor moral and were fighting for a dictator and regime most of them despised.

In the event the second Gulf war was a deliberate mistake/Conspiracy of deception by Blair and Bush, it was about OIL and so too by the way was the Afghan war, in the case of Iraq Bush wanted to do better than his father and in the case of the Afghan war China was booming and needed Oil, Azerbaijan had it in plenty and only Afghanistan stood in the way of a proposed pipline that would have made the Oil executives a fat wad of cash but the Coalition forces were never able to fully secure the territory, no great surprise there as neither could the soviet's, our imperial indian army or before them countless others' including the mongol's and Alexander the Great.

This is one reason they do not want and will not allow Jeremy Corbyn to ever gain No 10, He would launch a full investigation and indeed the Old Boy network would not be able to wangle out of it, He would expose the Bilderberg group and the likes of Tony Blair would definitely face a criminal court.

So not only these documents but ask yourself is Cameron the Legitimate prime minister or was there dirty work at the election, Ask yourself Will Corbyn ever be prime minister or is he too Good and too Honest for them to allow a man whom believes in human right's, fairness in society and honesty to ever become prime minister.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: nonspecific

I held this opinion long before corbyn.

I have despised blair since 2003 so this isn't a new development on my part.

Im not a fan of corbyn either but for other reasons. Though unlike blair I dont actively hate or despise Corbyn, just disgree with his political views.

I was reffering to you stance on Labour as a whole and that you would never vote for them regardless of the current situation?

Too many people vote Labour because of what Thatcher did in the 70's and 80's, this kind of mentality is detremental to the future of politics in my opinion.

a reply to: nonspecific

Actually he is Correct?.

South of the border we only have Labour but if I was north of the border I am afraid I would go SNP until the next referendum, and saying that if I was north of the Border I would want to ditch the Tory scum as well so would probably vote independance.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: nonspecific

I held this opinion long before corbyn.

I have despised blair since 2003 so this isn't a new development on my part.

Im not a fan of corbyn either but for other reasons. Though unlike blair I dont actively hate or despise Corbyn, just disgree with his political views.

I was reffering to you stance on Labour as a whole and that you would never vote for them regardless of the current situation?

Too many people vote Labour because of what Thatcher did in the 70's and 80's, this kind of mentality is detremental to the future of politics in my opinion.

Politics is detrimental to the future of politics.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: nonspecific

I held this opinion long before corbyn.

I have despised blair since 2003 so this isn't a new development on my part.

Im not a fan of corbyn either but for other reasons. Though unlike blair I dont actively hate or despise Corbyn, just disgree with his political views.

I was reffering to you stance on Labour as a whole and that you would never vote for them regardless of the current situation?

Too many people vote Labour because of what Thatcher did in the 70's and 80's, this kind of mentality is detremental to the future of politics in my opinion.

Ok I wouldn't say I would NEVER vote labour.

But they would have to kick out so many MPs and literary have to rewrite everything they stand for


Im more likely to vote lid dem or UKIP!

a reply to: crazyewok

Fair enough.

We were getting a bit off topic anyway, maybe that conversation is for another day.

This thread is actually quite interesting, the gun is there, the suspects are there, the evidence is there....BUT

what will happen?

A whole lot of nothing I assume.

Why?

originally posted by: Vector99
This thread is actually quite interesting, the gun is there, the suspects are there, the evidence is there....BUT

what will happen?

A whole lot of nothing I assume.

Why?

Lots of talk, lots of invesgations and equrirys all strung out until all the sheeple forget and go back to focusing on katie prices new reality TV show, katies hopkins next vile tweet and next series of the only way is Chelsea comes back on to rot there dull little minds.

a reply to: EvanB

It doesn't surprise me in the least. As a U.S. citizen I think, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should also be indicted for war crimes. Unless somebody has the gonads to file criminal charges in the international criminal court, these war criminals will live out their life with impunity. Once they pass, watch as more incriminating documents start to leak.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I served from 1989 until recently.. From my own perspective it became less about the application of politics by other means and more about the guy next to me.. I felt morally bound to ensure the safety of the guys and girls serving under me who having being duped to join by fake patriotism, found themselves on the frontline in the university of life.. Better me being there than some liability fresh out of Sandhusrt.. It becomes very clear very quickly on the ground the true intentions of the evil that lies to and sends its best and brightest to die for their wallets..

unfortunately you do not wake up to the reality until you are knee deep in the blood of the innocents on both sides..

It haunts me every day

I hope that soon, if things do not change that people of like mind go Guy Fawkes on the establishment and rid ourselves of the evil at the very top.. Whoever that may be.

a reply to: crazyewok

well at least it gives us ATS threads right!

(i'm silently putting my rebellious side to rest day by day)

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Then they had a year to come up with the WMD bull shine.

You're aware the previous administration and Democrats were making the exact same case for war before Bush was even elected?