“Abducting Women” and “Destroying Churches” is “Real Islam”—Iraqi Grand Ayatollah

a reply to: marg6043

Hey, I'm not happy either. I'm sick of America being the world's traffic cop. Obviously we should focus on our internal problems first, instead of handing out dollars hand over fist to countries that want to see us destroyed. That's never going to happen of course, b/c there's some kind of global plan to turn us into something else entirely.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: grandmakdw

Modern Christians, whom many claim are terrible and awful people,
don't have even the most radical among them
directing people to crucify non-believers or burn them to death,
or take women as sex slaves who are non-believers, or slit
the throats of non-believers, or tear down mosques and temples.
(maybe that happened hundreds and thousands of year ago)
but even the "evil" Christians have evolved beyond that
and are horrified at what is happening and not one Christian
leader that is as prominent as this Imam is calling for anything
near what this Imam is calling for).

I don't think you've read about all Christians in different parts of the world.

Stop trying to make them saintly just because they are Christians.

They are individuals just like everyone else. Who can choose to follow radicals or not.

You have a reading comprehension problem if you think what I said was trying to make ALL Christians appear saintly.

I do believe I mentioned abortion clinic bombers, and what happened in the middle and dark ages.

Be careful when your "hot" button is pushed and read with comprehension, not anger before you reply
or you make yourself look ..........
Some people write what they mean and aren't expecting the reader to mind read intention, by not
reading with comprehension, you read intention where there was none.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: grandmakdw

Modern Christians, whom many claim are terrible and awful people,
don't have even the most radical among them
directing people to crucify non-believers or burn them to death,
or take women as sex slaves who are non-believers, or slit
the throats of non-believers, or tear down mosques and temples.
(maybe that happened hundreds and thousands of year ago)
but even the "evil" Christians have evolved beyond that
and are horrified at what is happening and not one Christian
leader that is as prominent as this Imam is calling for anything
near what this Imam is calling for).

I don't think you've read about all Christians in different parts of the world.

Stop trying to make them saintly just because they are Christians.

They are individuals just like everyone else. Who can choose to follow radicals or not.

You have a reading comprehension problem if you think what I said was trying to make ALL Christians appear saintly.

I do believe I mentioned abortion clinic bombers, and what happened in the middle and dark ages.

Be careful when your "hot" button is pushed and read with comprehension, not anger before you reply
or you make yourself look ..........
Some people write what they mean and aren't expecting the reader to mind read intention, by not
reading with comprehension, you read intention where there was none.

Perhaps you should re-read your own post I responded to.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: grandmakdw

Modern Christians, whom many claim are terrible and awful people,
don't have even the most radical among them
directing people to crucify non-believers or burn them to death,
or take women as sex slaves who are non-believers, or slit
the throats of non-believers, or tear down mosques and temples.
(maybe that happened hundreds and thousands of year ago)
but even the "evil" Christians have evolved beyond that
and are horrified at what is happening and not one Christian
leader that is as prominent as this Imam is calling for anything
near what this Imam is calling for).

I don't think you've read about all Christians in different parts of the world.

Stop trying to make them saintly just because they are Christians.

They are individuals just like everyone else. Who can choose to follow radicals or not.

You have a reading comprehension problem if you think what I said was trying to make ALL Christians appear saintly.

I do believe I mentioned abortion clinic bombers, and what happened in the middle and dark ages.

Be careful when your "hot" button is pushed and read with comprehension, not anger before you reply
or you make yourself look ..........
Some people write what they mean and aren't expecting the reader to mind read intention, by not
reading with comprehension, you read intention where there was none.

Perhaps you should re-read your own post I responded to.

I was actually AGREEING to your assertion that all groups have
sickos and weirdos in them, and I mean ALL.

Since I was agreeing with you, it is odd that you took offense
and decided to attack, rather than read with comprehension.

Could it be my assertion
that even atheists
and even anti-theists
have extremists and sickos and weirdos
in them. But I followed it up with,
EVEN they don't advocate beheading,
rape, sex slavery etc.

Boy something set you off since I
was AGREEING with you.

I see the problem with extremists as a cultural one, rather than a religious one. Way back when, the culture the Christians lived in was very violent, so there was a lot of violence committed in the name of God/Jesus.

My home schooled daughter and I are discussing world history now, and we were reading about the ancient Hindu religion in India - how the caste system worked and how women were viewed as property with no substantial rights. We talked about her Indian girlfriends whose well-educated parents (Hindus) are encouraging their daughters to become doctors and lawyers and independent women. We also talked about present-day rural cultures in India where the old ways are still followed.

Christianity is the same if only you were to actually live by the writings of the bible without cherry picking it.

Christians try to convert non-believers with candy and sweets and getting them dependent on free stuff paid for by other people.

Muslims used clubs and knives and swords and guns and stuff.

In the end it is the same old "team building" nonsense.

My team (church/religion) is bigger than your team.

It seems to be nothing more than a contest like everything else is.

OP,Please provide a valid link,which is not from a far right christian extremist site, that this idiot is a "grand ayatollah" of Iraq. This guy is not listed as one of the ayatollahs in Iraq.

a reply to: Kapusta

I've got no problem hanging out with you if you're a creative and talented sort. It'd be nice if you're into board games too. However, the Muslims I've known, who were posing as Greeks, were put off by my atheism. How would that affect our relationship?

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

It's also driven by the parsonage. The leaders gotta have that free cable on a big screen come game day.

originally posted by: intrptr

This very informative article was published just today, and is presently fresh off of the press..

Hating on Muslims, as usual.

This is new?

It's not new.

In AD 642, Alexandria was captured by the Muslim army of Amr ibn al `Aas. Several later Arabic sources describe the library's destruction by the order of Caliph Omar.[38][39] Bar-Hebraeus, writing in the 13th century, quotes Omar as saying to Yaḥyā al-Naḥwī: "If those books are in agreement with the Quran, we have no need of them; and if these are opposed to the Quran, destroy them."[40] Later scholars are skeptical of these stories, given the range of time that had passed before they were written down and the political motivations of the various writers.

en.wikipedia.org...
However, one has to wonder what makes this potential libel believable.

a reply to: gentledissident

Thanks for the history lesson, I didn't know that. But also know history is often written by the victors.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Grenade

Different interpretations of Islam are fine etc but Sharia law is quite another thing which most of us don't want to see on our streets if the liberal loves push politically for this step in order to help the world is islam settle happily here ti will be a backwards step. Don't think I am being hard on muslims my family is multi racial and multi religious but with the influx of so many refugees many feel our way of life is possibly under threat.

It doesn't matter you have one guy like the Grand Iraqi Ayatollah voicing his poison, its who quietly listens to his words and carries out his bidding that helps create things like suicide bombers and the explosions the world keeps facing that kill innocent people we should be worried about. Men like him get to young children, especially boys and groom them into very dangerous adults.

The only countries under Sharia law are ones with a predominantly Muslim population who agree with the rules and punishment. We are the ones trying to influence their culture and change centuries old practices not the other way around.

I live in a country with a large Muslim population and a massive percentage of these people are aware and abide to the law. In fact, in the UK Muslims makeup around 6% of the population and the number of people in prison describing themselves as Muslim around 10%. When you compare this to other ethnic minorities and religions it falls into the realms of average.

Finally, the American justice system has an embarrassing history and offence rate, should really work on that before becoming world police.

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Christianity is the same if only you were to actually live by the writings of the bible without cherry picking it.

Christians try to convert non-believers with candy and sweets and getting them dependent on free stuff paid for by other people.

Muslims used clubs and knives and swords and guns and stuff.

In the end it is the same old "team building" nonsense.

My team (church/religion) is bigger than your team.

It seems to be nothing more than a contest like everything else is.

That was an interesting comment, seeing the rivalry as a contest of sorts; That's a pretty neat idea. You may very well be right about that.
I would prefer to view this, also and still as a contest, but as a contest of faith rather.



I have been to the Near East/Middle East, and to be honest with you, I prefer living in the West. It is beautiful and mesmerizing there. But Islam is not Xtianity.

I have had friends from the Middle East, and they were all totally wonderful, entirely progressive, absolutely beautiful people..scholarly, academic, bright, healthy, attractive people..all of them tasteful and very good individuals.



I don't know how to put it into words, but there is something that Americans generally do not understand about the Middle East. The people are wonderful, friendly, cosmopolitan, sharing, and giving;

But Law and legal practice in the Islamic Middle East is not Law and legal practice in the West. This is key. This is key,
You simply do not break laws in the ME.


There are three basic differences in my opinion between East and West.


1.Gays cannot live, or be alive there. That's a most obvious marker.
2.Women cannot exercise rights there; Put more simply she cannot actualize
cannot realize her full power and potential there.

3.Children cannot exercise their rights there either.


Sexual violation is a serious crime in the West. That's not the case in the East. So where am I going with all of this? I am not quite sure.




One thing though that I find interesting about Islam, as beautiful and as haunting as it's culture and language and music may be, one thing that I find disturbingly interesting about Islam is this: Taqiyya.


"Taqiyya;"

"Taqiyya is an Islamic juridical term whose shifting meaning relates to when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie. A concept whose meaning has varied significantly among Islamic sects, scholars, countries, and political regimes"[6]"


The art and craft of deception, the art and craft of lying; It is something that should be practiced whenever a faithful is being persecuted and under duress. Being sly or cunning, would necessarily be a rule, rather than an exception. If you need to, do so.


If you would like to study Taqiyya further see here at this link en.wikipedia.org... for a generic explanation and description.

Bombing these jerks off of the face of the globe is "Real America." America (the government) may hate it's own people, we may be jerks in the eyes of the world, and we may be one of the most hypocritical nations on earth....but we definitely have to stop countries that have a sexual fetish with cutting peoples heads off. How can we not be the hero with this one? These Muslim countries don't set the bar too high do they? On the other hand, if we let them come over here, we would be able to control the women who are divorcing men, just to be able to rob them in divorce court. I'm conflicted on that one.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
OP,Please provide a valid link,which is not from a far right christian extremist site, that this idiot is a "grand ayatollah" of Iraq. This guy is not listed as one of the ayatollahs in Iraq.

I will try again...bump

a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Here is the interview:


Here is who is is: www.ovguide.com...

Here is the List of current Ayatollahs and he is #6: www.liquisearch.com...

Current

Grand Ayatollah Ali Husaini Sistani
Grand Ayatollah Bashir Najafi
Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi al-Modarresi
Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Ishaq Al-Fayyad
Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Saeed Al-Hakim
Grand Ayatollah Ahmad Hassani Baghdadi
Grand Ayatollah Ali Hassani Baghdadi
Grand Ayatollah Morteza Hosseini Fayaz
Grand Ayatollah Allaedin Ghoraifi
Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Tabatabaei Hassani
Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Taher Khaqani
Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Mehdi Khalesi
Grand Ayatollah Fazel Maleki
Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Amin Mamaqani
Grand Ayatollah Hussein Esmaeel al-Sadr
Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Shirazi
Grand Ayatollah Mahmoud Hassani Sorkhi
Grand Ayatollah Qasem Taei
Grand Ayatollah Saleh Taei
Grand Ayatollah Shamsodin Vaezi
Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Yaqoobi
Ayatollah Hadi al-Modarresi
Ayatollah Mortada Al-Qazwini
Ayatollah Ahmad Husseini Al Baghdadi
Ayatollah Ayatollah Mohammad Hussein al-Ansari
Ayatollah Mohammad Bahr al-Ulloum

Here is the play by play:

www.allenbwest.com...


realitynews.international...

a reply to: tony9802

When that Grand Ayatollah finds out that the Koran is actually a mislabeled book called "Mohammed, The Ass from Damascus" he is really going to get peeved.

a reply to: infolurker


I have seen the interview,but where does it say that he is the grand ayatollah of Iraq ?

en.m.wikipedia.org...

His name is not on that list. So,who is this man that OP clains is grand ayatollah of Iraq ? Being "grand ayatollah" is huge in Shia islam,one wouldthink that there would be more results on google when you search his name. All i get is far right christian sites quoting him . Please provide a link to a non islamophobe or far right christian site that says that this man is the grand ayatollah of Iraq

originally posted by: whyamIhere
Yes,

There is going to be a big war.

Soon

No doubt about it in my mind. On the flip side the State and Non State Actors who are behind Islamic Extremism will be the engineers of their own downfall. The next world war is around ten years away. The defeat of Islamic Extremism won't be easy. But it will rank behind dealing with expansive Russia and China.

a reply to: ErrorErrorError
www.liquisearch.com...
#6 on the list of current Grand Islamist Idiots

www.snipview.com...
Same guy in the video, Grand Islamic Idiot convert or die guy pic at link as well.

Ahmad Hassani Baghdadi

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Ahmad Hassani Baghdadi (Arabic: السيد احمد الحسني البغدادي) (born 1944) is an Iraqi Twelver Shi'a Marja.

He currently lives in Najaf, Iraq. He is the author of numerous Islamic books.
End of the year 2012 he issued a fatwa that Christianity hat not to be tolerated in Iraq, Christians would have to be forced to convert or to die.

www.raymondibrahim.com...

According to the ayatollah, when they can—when circumstance permits it, when they are strong enough—Muslims are obligated to go on the offensive and conquer non-Muslims (a fact to be kept in mind as millions of Muslim “refugees” flood the West).

The Muslim cleric repeatedly yelled at the secularized host who kept interrupting him and protesting that Islam cannot teach such intolerance. At one point, he burst out: “I am the scholar of Islam [al-faqih]. You are just a journalist. Listen to me!”

Expounded Al-Baghdadi:

If they are people of the book [Jews and Christians] we demand of them the jizya—and if they refuse, then we fight them. That is if he is Christian. He has three choices: either convert to Islam, or, if he refuses and wishes to remain Christian, then pay the jizya [and live according to dhimmi rules].

But if they still refuse—then we fight them, and we abduct their women, and destroy their churches—this is Islam!… Come on, learn what Islam is, are you even a Muslim?!

As for the polytheists [Hindus, Buddhists, etc.] we allow them to choose between Islam and war! This is not the opinion of Ahmad al-Husseini al-Baghdadi, but the opinion of all five schools of jurisprudence [four Sunni and one Shia].