Aleister Crowley - The failure

originally posted by: IridiumFlareMadness
His failure was in his mental illness.

Nothing like catching a picture of uncle fester in one of those dumb hats trying to look serious. This guy was a clown in a half. Some people love him for that. To each their own I guess.

a reply to: Hyperia

There are stories that should be buried, sorry

This strains your credibility, sorry.

How about you try again, maybe with a little less condescension?

What magic do you practice that is older than Babylon?


~ Wandering Scribe

a reply to: Hyperia

I am a little late in this so only skimmed through, appologies if this has been said. I studied Crowley quite a lot several years ago but a major head trauma leaves me a little sketchy so I could be wrong in my opinion.

Crowley was not a failure in many senses but he did not fare that well as a poet, something he wished to be very much.

He blew a lot of his(and others) money publishing his poetic works in fine and exuberent grandeur only to watch his works passed off as either mediocre or worse.

As a magician he cannot be called a failure as although many of his claims may be exaterated his works are still being both used and discussed to this day, as his his legacy. Something he felt very stongly about securing.

a reply to: Wandering Scribe

Then my credibility is flawd.. sry,

a reply to: windword

Cult, nothing more. You want to believe in magick to a sense it doesnt even make sense.

Like Hitler, he wrote a great book called Mein Kampf, yet he ran like a kid on christmas when that little spear appeared. Ended up with WW2, since you got Sirius B on ya Location, id bet you know the Manifesto by the kid murderer Breivik, in all ya wonderous reading. The thin line between being a monkey and a human is just outside your door.

I can say it again, Crowley was a failure, my OP even states it, Crowley was a failure.

a reply to: nonspecific

He was highly gifted, and used it for ****

a reply to: Hyperia

Like Hitler, he wrote a great book called Mein Kampf, yet he ran like a kid on christmas when that little spear appeared. Ended up with WW2, since you got Sirius B on ya Location, id bet you know the Manifesto by the kid murderer Breivik, in all ya wonderous reading. The thin line between being a monkey and a human is just outside your door.

Have you read Mein Kampf? I doubt that you have.

What have you read of Aleister Crowley's works that allows you to make the comparison or have any opinion at all of what he knew, understood or thought? Nothing? I thought as much.

Anyone can troll and spout off superiority through ignorance. It takes someone with an inquisitive mind and intellectual honesty to argue the actual facts, issues and innuendos of Crowley's works. You're not that person.

a reply to: Hyperia

Well he is possibly the worlds best known practiciner of magic, his books still sell, people still write books about him now?

He lived a pretty long life and although he had his ups and downs achieved some pretty interesting and impressive feats.

What woud have expected from a human and on what benchmark are you actually basing your conclusion that he "failed"?

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Hyperia

Well he is possibly the worlds best known practiciner of magic, his books still sell, people still write books about him now?

He lived a pretty long life and although he had his ups and downs achieved some pretty interesting and impressive feats.

What woud have expected from a human and on what benchmark are you actually basing your conclusion that he "failed"?

What 'pretty interesting and impressive feats'?

Å99

a reply to: Isurrender73

Aaah, I see what you mean, then. Thank's for clarifying

a reply to: akushla99

Either you are fully aware of the life and times of Aliester Crowley and you are disputing his life's work as a practicioner of magic, poet and celebrety or you are unaware of his life?

Do you really expect me to take the time to go into great detail about his life when there is a whole internet and many books and documentiaries about him or would you like to take the lead and list some things about him that you feel are given creedence without real justification and I and possibly others will decide if we wish to refute your defamation?

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: akushla99

Either you are fully aware of the life and times of Aliester Crowley and you are disputing his life's work as a practicioner of magic, poet and celebrety or you are unaware of his life?

Do you really expect me to take the time to go into great detail about his life when there is a whole internet and many books and documentiaries about him or would you like to take the lead and list some things about him that you feel are given creedence without real justification and I and possibly others will decide if we wish to refute your defamation?

My qualification isn't in question.

'Poet(?) and celebrity' - yes...

What impressive 'things' did he do?...any differently, say, to a Shelly, Coleridge, Hubbard...

The level of adulation heaped on this sham idiot is appalingly sad...

Å99

a reply to: windword

And he got kicked out of most of them? Yeaaaah, kinda figures.

originally posted by: Hyperia
a reply to: windword

And he got kicked out of most of them? Yeaaaah, kinda figures.

Got kicked out of most of whats? I asked you what you've read of Aleister Crowley's works. Your answers, or lack thereof, and your attempts to dodge questions that you can't answer, reveal your lack of concentration and control. You are no magician.

a reply to: akushla99

Whereas you list of acheivements is somewhat superior?

What exactly are you trying to say other than you believe him to be a fake without giving anything other than your own esteemed opinion?

What exactly do you disagree with in any of his lifes work?

Anyhing will do realy, just something to start an actual discussion based on something more than simply your opinion?

I guess to those talking about his magic what exactly was so ground breaking that he did? What did he discover that hadn't been taught in the old ancient mystery schools, and various society's throughout history. Serious question, just curious as to what he did that wasn't a copy of other works and teachings a long time ago.

a reply to: windword

There seems to be a lot of opinion and a great deal of specific understanding or grounding of fact in this debate.

I am no expert on Crowley but I know a conspiracy hipster when I see on and it seems like regarding Crowley in any esteen is out of fashion these days.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

In order to ask or answer that question would take a great deal more than a post on an internet forum.

That is a pretty big question and one that could only be answered with a lot of personal research.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: akushla99

Whereas you list of acheivements is somewhat superior?

What exactly are you trying to say other than you believe him to be a fake without giving anything other than your own esteemed opinion?

What exactly do you disagree with in any of his lifes work?

Anyhing will do realy, just something to start an actual discussion based on something more than simply your opinion?

Its a simple question really, already asked twice...What impressive feats did Crowley achieve, apart from drug-addled penmanship - the foundations of which his upbringing and family situation sustained him - did he 'actually' achieve?

If You wish to start a thread on my credentials, be my guest.

Å99

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Reallyfolks

In order to ask or answer that question would take a great deal more than a post on an internet forum.

That is a pretty big question and one that could only be answered with a lot of personal research.

Been years since reading anything about him or any of his work, Just didn't see anything new when I did. Seems like he took a lot of information that was there, put out a book then got credit as if he invented or discovered something.