Aleister Crowley - The failure

So lets get down to the basics of Crowley, he learned simultaneous conditioning, thats a modern psychology term. Was he a gifted man, yes, he was a brilliant man. Could he have become something, indeed. But instead he was a failure in every way possible. Everything he learned, was solely about human instintcs. His ambition was driven by his perverted sexual immortality and hate. He wanted to reform something, he wanted freedom from totalitarian. What he forgot is primates are driven by instincts, and humans what they learn in a young age. So when he went on all those pilgrimages, he still was the same person seeking immortality and when that failed. He resorted to recreational drugs, to find an answer. He closed the door, cause of his own ambition, he dove into the darkness without any mentors or guidance. A gifted man, without the right guidance, will only be a gifted man with useless knowledge.

When you learn how to create any universe you want, or even destroy it. You must also learn that your own immortality is forfeited for God and his creation. The knowledge is only for a righteous person.

Like Darth Vader

Crowley gained widespread notoriety during his lifetime, being a recreational drug experimenter, bisexual and an individualist social critic. As a result, he was denounced in the popular press as "the wickedest man in the world" and erroneously labelled a Satanist. Crowley has remained a highly influential figure over Western esotericism and the counter-culture, and continues to be considered a prophet in Thelema. In 2002, a BBC poll ranked him as the seventy-third greatest Briton of all time.

Crowley Wikipedia

I admit I have never heard of the man, but after reading the entire wiki I think I would be lucky to take half of the journeys that he did (in more than on life). That's the fascinating part if you ask me.

S&F - I learned something new today 😊

a reply to: Hyperia

a reply to: Hyperia

Well you must be affected so much that you need to post it here. He who strived for immortality is Immortal in his own sense of reading. Blame it to the marines. People have so muchto say, so much to make believe so much to believe. But at the end of the day, its really gonna be dark and each thought they had made one believed that they believed.

What did I just say?

a reply to: Summer7

Nothing you just tried to play smart

a reply to: Hyperia

Obviously you have never read any of his books, nor were you a student of magick, the OTO, Thelema or of Crowley himself. Otherwise, you'd note his brilliance and wit.

He was many things, but a "failure" was not one of them.

a reply to: windword

So you are a magick user?

a reply to: Hyperia

really?
play smart? why would one be?
may be you are trying to play it right?

Sounds to me like he had more control over his subjective experience of reality than 99% of humans on Earth. I wouldn't call that a "failure"per-say. I guess it is how you define "failure". He made what he wanted to happen, happen.

a reply to: Hyperia

So you are a magick user?

According to Crowley, we all are. It's a matter of understanding your own involvement in life, your commitment or passion, and the difference between white and black magick. We all utilize both methods. Typing on your keyboard is a kind of black magick, praying for your words to have impact is a kind of white magick.

a reply to: windword

I've always found it ironic that praying is essentially a form of magic, but the Christian church never sees it that way.

Hmm, I never have viewed him as a failure. Interesting point of view nonetheless.

Especially (when) if it actually works. That's like textbook definition imo.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

a reply to: windword

Im born in a culture which has practiced magick before babylon, i think you can take a guess.

Im not interested in the semantics of the word magick since its just a cover for understanding nature, animals and the celestial bodies visible to a ordinary telescope.

a reply to: DuckforcoveR

Prayer is a form of magic, but its a recipe that is missing a few ingredients -- this is why it has a 'hit and miss' aspect to it, with most prayers never actually manifesting. Let's face it, most prayer is someone asking for something.

Think about making various dishes without salt. They'll be edible, and some of them more so than others. Prayer is a lot like a magical act that is missing an ingredient.

Imagine what would happen if prayer always worked, and everyone was granted what they prayed (wished) for? It would be complete chaos. The church neutered the ritual of prayer to keep the masses in their place and under control...

a reply to: MystikMushroom

In the 15th century the one who practiced magick for their own beneficical needs in society where burned at the stake.

originally posted by: Hyperia
a reply to: windword

Im born in a culture which has practiced magick before babylon,

So? We all are.

i think you can take a guess.

Not interested in your heritage enough to guess

Im not interested in the semantics of the word magick since its just a cover for understanding nature, animals and the celestial bodies visible to a ordinary telescope.

Nobody has asked for your interest in magick or in Aleister Crowley's teachings. You're the one who started the thread, but seems to have no idea of the writings or teachings of the very man that you're bashing.

a reply to: MystikMushroom
The rituals are there to enhance the message

originally posted by: Hyperia
a reply to: MystikMushroom

In the 15th century the one who practiced magick for their own beneficical needs in society where burned at the stake.

Well, yeah. People that could actual hack reality and manifest things and push/pull reality in weird ways were dangerous to the hegemony of the church.

It's like you being able to do your boss's job better than him. Your boss wouldn't be pleased by that...

a reply to: Hyperia

Eh. Whatever "works" I say. If dressing up like Chewbacca and dancing to Beiber gets you results, so be it. The ritual to me simply seems to convince the subconscious. If you believe the ritual act is the same as the results, it should work no matter what the ritual is.

a reply to: windword

nor were you a student of magick

I answered your question about magick

the difference between white and black magick. We all utilize both methods. Typing on your keyboard is a kind of black magick, praying for your words to have impact is a kind of white magick.

I explained not interested in the semantics.

No, we all dont use magick. We dont colorize are instincts with fine words, we dont change the word of Natural Law made by Aristotle.

He was a man who tried to justify his own ambition.