Former George Bush Chief Economist Says 911 Was An Inside Job

a reply to: wildb

Just to let you know that the $2.3 trillion was never missing and since then, most of the money has now been accounted for. The Pentagon's financial computers could not handle that much money at one time and that is where much of the problem was.

Not knowing the rest of the story is how unfounded conspiracy theories are hatched.

a reply to: madenusa

Just to let you know that story has been proven false.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Now, for the rest of the story.

Judge dismisses 9/11 case against Saudi Arabia

A federal judge has dismissed claims against Saudi Arabia by families of victims of the Sept. 11 attacks who accused the kingdom of providing material support to Al-Qaeda.

U.S. District Judge George Daniels said on Tuesday that Saudi Arabia has sovereign immunity from damage claims by families of the nearly 3,000 people killed in the attacks and from insurers that covered losses suffered by building owners and businesses. He also dismissed as a defendant the Saudi High Commission for Relief of Bosnia and Herzegovina on the grounds that the charity is an instrument of Saudi Arabia and thus covered as well by sovereign immunity.

The judge wrote that evidence would have to show that Saudi Arabia or its officials took actions to support the terrorist plot.

america.aljazeera.com...

fire alone cannot explain the buildings’ collapse in seconds, the severing of massive fireproof steel
columns, the ejecting of steel assemblies, the melted-down metal in and around the explosion,
and conversion of fire-proof buildings into fuming remains and dust.....

In short, Nothing is allowed in except the impact of the planes and the fires.
No simulations of the full collapses are ever made.

a reply to: madenusa

fire alone cannot explain the buildings’ collapse in seconds, the severing of massive fireproof steel

Let's take a look here.

Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed: A Fire Chief ’s Assessment

Bearing walls and Open floor design

When the jet liners crashed into the towers based upon knowledge of the tower construction and high-rise firefighting experience the following happened: First the plane broke through the tubular steel-bearing wall. This started the building failure. Next the exploding, disintegrating, 185-ton jet plane slid across an open office floor area and severed many of the steel interior columns in the center core area. Plane parts also crashed through the plasterboard-enclosed stairways, cutting off the exits from the upper floors.

The jet collapsed the ceilings and scraped most of the spray-on fire retarding asbestos from the steel trusses. The steel truss floor supports probably started to fail quickly from the flames and the center steel supporting columns severed by plane parts heated by the flames began to buckle, sag, warp and fail. Then the top part of the tower crashed down on the lower portion of the structure. This pancake collapse triggered the entire cascading collapse of the 110-story structure.

vincentdunn.com...

originally posted by: madenusa
fire alone cannot explain the buildings’ collapse in seconds, the severing of massive fireproof steel
columns, the ejecting of steel assemblies, the melted-down metal in and around the explosion,
and conversion of fire-proof buildings into fuming remains and dust.....

In short, Nothing is allowed in except the impact of the planes and the fires.
No simulations of the full collapses are ever made.

Bombs everywhere, vans filled with explosives found and people arrested, on and on, but they say there were none.. guess they did not watch the news that day.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: madenusa

fire alone cannot explain the buildings’ collapse in seconds, the severing of massive fireproof steel

Let's take a look here.

Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed: A Fire Chief ’s Assessment

Bearing walls and Open floor design

When the jet liners crashed into the towers based upon knowledge of the tower construction and high-rise firefighting experience the following happened: First the plane broke through the tubular steel-bearing wall. This started the building failure. Next the exploding, disintegrating, 185-ton jet plane slid across an open office floor area and severed many of the steel interior columns in the center core area. Plane parts also crashed through the plasterboard-enclosed stairways, cutting off the exits from the upper floors.

The jet collapsed the ceilings and scraped most of the spray-on fire retarding asbestos from the steel trusses. The steel truss floor supports probably started to fail quickly from the flames and the center steel supporting columns severed by plane parts heated by the flames began to buckle, sag, warp and fail. Then the top part of the tower crashed down on the lower portion of the structure. This pancake collapse triggered the entire cascading collapse of the 110-story structure.

vincentdunn.com...

Just another opinion, out of the many you have...

a reply to: wildb

Apparently, these videos do not depict the sound of demolition explosions as the WTC buildings collapse, which effectively debunks the claim that explosives were used to demolish the WTC buildings.



No demolition explosions heard in that video as WTC 1 collapsed.

Now, for WTC 2.



No sound of demolition explosions in that video as WTC 2 collapsed.

Next, WTC 7.



No sound of demolition explosions as WTC 7, which explains why demolition explosions were not detected by seismic monitors in the area.

It's takes just a few feet of the collapse to start the house of cards to fall, as we saw with the second tower that collapsed before the first tower that was hit, it had more floors above and so went quicker, but once they went there was no stopping them and no need for secondary explosions, gravity was enough.

a reply to: skyeagle409

More with the doctored videos, sound is not needed and lack of proves nothing, the story is in the observation of the photo evidence.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
It's takes just one or two floors to collapse to start the house of cards to fall, as we saw with the second tower that collapsed before the first tower that was hit, it had more floors above and so went quicker, but once they went there was no stopping them and no need for secondary explosions, gravity was enough.

Wrong, gravity was not enough, and I proved the OS false by applying the 2ed law..

originally posted by: wildb

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: madenusa

fire alone cannot explain the buildings’ collapse in seconds, the severing of massive fireproof steel

Let's take a look here.

Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed: A Fire Chief ’s Assessment

Bearing walls and Open floor design

When the jet liners crashed into the towers based upon knowledge of the tower construction and high-rise firefighting experience the following happened: First the plane broke through the tubular steel-bearing wall. This started the building failure. Next the exploding, disintegrating, 185-ton jet plane slid across an open office floor area and severed many of the steel interior columns in the center core area. Plane parts also crashed through the plasterboard-enclosed stairways, cutting off the exits from the upper floors.

The jet collapsed the ceilings and scraped most of the spray-on fire retarding asbestos from the steel trusses. The steel truss floor supports probably started to fail quickly from the flames and the center steel supporting columns severed by plane parts heated by the flames began to buckle, sag, warp and fail. Then the top part of the tower crashed down on the lower portion of the structure. This pancake collapse triggered the entire cascading collapse of the 110-story structure.

vincentdunn.com...

Just another opinion, out of the many you have...

Were Explosives the Source of the Seismic Signals Emitted from NewYork on September 11, 2001?www.journalof911studies.com...

originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: wildb

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: madenusa

fire alone cannot explain the buildings’ collapse in seconds, the severing of massive fireproof steel

Let's take a look here.

Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed: A Fire Chief ’s Assessment

Bearing walls and Open floor design

When the jet liners crashed into the towers based upon knowledge of the tower construction and high-rise firefighting experience the following happened: First the plane broke through the tubular steel-bearing wall. This started the building failure. Next the exploding, disintegrating, 185-ton jet plane slid across an open office floor area and severed many of the steel interior columns in the center core area. Plane parts also crashed through the plasterboard-enclosed stairways, cutting off the exits from the upper floors.

The jet collapsed the ceilings and scraped most of the spray-on fire retarding asbestos from the steel trusses. The steel truss floor supports probably started to fail quickly from the flames and the center steel supporting columns severed by plane parts heated by the flames began to buckle, sag, warp and fail. Then the top part of the tower crashed down on the lower portion of the structure. This pancake collapse triggered the entire cascading collapse of the 110-story structure.

vincentdunn.com...

Just another opinion, out of the many you have...

Were Explosives the Source of the Seismic Signals Emitted from NewYork on September 11, 2001?www.journalof911studies.com...

Frequencies of waves
generated by explosions are on the order of 1 Hertz (1 Hz, or one cycle per second)

originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: wildb

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: madenusa

fire alone cannot explain the buildings’ collapse in seconds, the severing of massive fireproof steel

Let's take a look here.

Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed: A Fire Chief ’s Assessment

Bearing walls and Open floor design

When the jet liners crashed into the towers based upon knowledge of the tower construction and high-rise firefighting experience the following happened: First the plane broke through the tubular steel-bearing wall. This started the building failure. Next the exploding, disintegrating, 185-ton jet plane slid across an open office floor area and severed many of the steel interior columns in the center core area. Plane parts also crashed through the plasterboard-enclosed stairways, cutting off the exits from the upper floors.

The jet collapsed the ceilings and scraped most of the spray-on fire retarding asbestos from the steel trusses. The steel truss floor supports probably started to fail quickly from the flames and the center steel supporting columns severed by plane parts heated by the flames began to buckle, sag, warp and fail. Then the top part of the tower crashed down on the lower portion of the structure. This pancake collapse triggered the entire cascading collapse of the 110-story structure.

vincentdunn.com...

Just another opinion, out of the many you have...

Were Explosives the Source of the Seismic Signals Emitted from NewYork on September 11, 2001?www.journalof911studies.com...

Frequencies of waves
generated by explosions are on the order of 1 Hertz (1 Hz, or one cycle per second)

points to an impulsive source of energy, not
percussion on the ground due to the fall of debris.

originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: wildb

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: madenusa

fire alone cannot explain the buildings’ collapse in seconds, the severing of massive fireproof steel

Let's take a look here.

Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed: A Fire Chief ’s Assessment

Bearing walls and Open floor design

When the jet liners crashed into the towers based upon knowledge of the tower construction and high-rise firefighting experience the following happened: First the plane broke through the tubular steel-bearing wall. This started the building failure. Next the exploding, disintegrating, 185-ton jet plane slid across an open office floor area and severed many of the steel interior columns in the center core area. Plane parts also crashed through the plasterboard-enclosed stairways, cutting off the exits from the upper floors.

The jet collapsed the ceilings and scraped most of the spray-on fire retarding asbestos from the steel trusses. The steel truss floor supports probably started to fail quickly from the flames and the center steel supporting columns severed by plane parts heated by the flames began to buckle, sag, warp and fail. Then the top part of the tower crashed down on the lower portion of the structure. This pancake collapse triggered the entire cascading collapse of the 110-story structure.

vincentdunn.com...

Just another opinion, out of the many you have...

Were Explosives the Source of the Seismic Signals Emitted from NewYork on September 11, 2001?www.journalof911studies.com...

Frequencies of waves
generated by explosions are on the order of 1 Hertz (1 Hz, or one cycle per second)

points to an impulsive source of energy, not
percussion on the ground due to the fall of debris.

We demonstrate that only strong explosives could be the
cause of such seismic waves, in accordance with the observed low frequencies.

a reply to: madenusa

Apparently, the people whose seismic machines were used, have debunked claims their seismic monitors detected demolition explosions.

9/11 Seismic Recordings

Brent Blanchard devotes section 4 of his paper to the issue of seismic recordings on 9/11. Blanchard is Senior Editor of ImplosionWorld, a website which posts details of explosive demolitions, and also Director of Field Operations at Protec Documentation Services, Inc. Protec works in the field of vibration monitoring and structure inspection, a key service to both the construction and demolition industries.

The field seismographs used by Protec and others provide the key scientific evidence for disturbances that may have caused damage, and there were a number of such seismographs operated by Protec on 9/11 in the vicinity of Ground Zero, for monitoring construction sites. Blanchard tells us that data from these machines, and seismographs operated elsewhere, all confirm single vibration events recording the collapse. None of them record the tell-tale 'spikes' that would indicate explosive detonations prior to collapse. In his words:

This evidence makes a compelling argument against explosive demolition. The laws of physics dictate that any detonation powerful enough to defeat steel columns would have transferred excess energy through those same columns into the ground, and would certainly have been detected by at least one of the monitors that were sensitive enough to record the structural collapses.

However, a detailed analysis of all available data reveals no presence of any unusual or abnormal vibration events.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: madenusa

Apparently, the people whose seismic machines were used, have debunked claims their seismic monitors detected demolition explosions.

9/11 Seismic Recordings

Brent Blanchard devotes section 4 of his paper to the issue of seismic recordings on 9/11. Blanchard is Senior Editor of ImplosionWorld, a website which posts details of explosive demolitions, and also Director of Field Operations at Protec Documentation Services, Inc. Protec works in the field of vibration monitoring and structure inspection, a key service to both the construction and demolition industries.

The field seismographs used by Protec and others provide the key scientific evidence for disturbances that may have caused damage, and there were a number of such seismographs operated by Protec on 9/11 in the vicinity of Ground Zero, for monitoring construction sites. Blanchard tells us that data from these machines, and seismographs operated elsewhere, all confirm single vibration events recording the collapse. None of them record the tell-tale 'spikes' that would indicate explosive detonations prior to collapse. In his words:

This evidence makes a compelling argument against explosive demolition. The laws of physics dictate that any detonation powerful enough to defeat steel columns would have transferred excess energy through those same columns into the ground, and would certainly have been detected by at least one of the monitors that were sensitive enough to record the structural collapses.

However, a detailed analysis of all available data reveals no presence of any unusual or abnormal vibration events.

Again weak argument, why don't you post a link to the equipment they used so we can look at its specs , until then you have no case..

CONCLUSION
Near the times of the planes' impacts into the Twin Towers and during their collapses, as
well as during the collapse of WTC7, seismic waves were generated. To the degree that
(1) seismic waves are created only by brief impulses and (2) low frequencies are
associated with energy of a magnitude that is comparable to a seismic event, the waves
recorded at Palisades and analyzed by LDEO undeniably have an explosive origin.

originally posted by: wildb

Wrong, gravity was not enough, and I proved the OS false by applying the 2ed law..

I think the towers proved you wrong, hehe no matter what you say or think. The floors below looked rather solid and undisturbed until the collapsing floors affected them.

I would also apply Occam Razor to this in how many people and companies would be involved, how many timings would need to go off not just well but perfect and timed to jets hitting the towers WOW, how much time that anyone could easily be caught but didn't in prep of the buildings, and just what did they use to do it? After about 15 years and still clean, man they are good.

We had two planes that hit the towers at different times at unknowable locations on the towers and everything was still perfect as both towers started their collapses right at where the planes hit...hmmm

At least we can agree two hijacked airliners hit the tower right?