Former George Bush Chief Economist Says 911 Was An Inside Job

a reply to: HorusChrist

that's strawman but the proof was the peer reviewed study on benthams website

You might want to research Benthams reputation.
They accept and publish all study papers for a price.

and Bentham was busted in 2009 accepting a paper for the Open Information Science Journal consisting of random sentences computer-generated with SCIgen, whose imaginary authors both worked at the Center for Research in Applied Phrenology (CRAP).

a reply to: HorusChrist

if someone blows up my home, if president orders evidence destroyed I will start suspecting he was in on it.

No one bombed WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 during the 9/11 attack and no one heard demolition explosions. BTW, did you know that New York City experiences over 2000 explosions each year?

a reply to: HorusChrist

that's strawman but the proof was the peer reviewed study on benthams website

I've read a portion of the report at Benthams.com, and that report is full of flaws, especially regarding the red/gray primer chips.

Now, let's read the rest of the story from the experts.

No Thermite Found

The R.J. Lee Company did a 2003 study on the dust and didn't find thermitic material. Other sampling of the pulverized dust by United States Geological Survey and RJ Lee did not report any evidence of thermite or explosives. It has been theorized the "thermite material" found was primer paint.

No evidence has ever been found of explosive charges and there are no recordings of a series of very loud explosions that would have been expected with controlled demolition. Furthermore, there is an alternative explanation for the "thermitic material" the sceptical scientists found in the dust - it is just a type of primer paint. It's calculated 1,200,000 tonnes of building materials were pulverised at the World Trade Center and most minerals are present in the dust (not necessarily in a large quantity).

More extensive sampling of the dust has not found any evidence of thermite or explosives, says a report from the US Geological Survey and another from RJ Lee.

911research.wtc7.net...


The RJ Group

The RJ Lee Group report considers samples taken several months after the collapses, and it is certain that torch-cutting of steel beams as part of the cleanup process contributed some, if not all, of the spherules seen in these samples.

www.metabunk.org...


What can be expected from a structural primer?

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Nucor offers primers in either red or gray. The gray primers usually cost slightly more and often come with a schedule impact. Some miscellaneous clips will be provided in red primer even on the gray orders.

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To sum it up, Benthams.com failed to read the rest of the story in regard to WTC dust samples and the red/gray primer chips.

edit on 10-11-2015 by skyeagle409 because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: HorusChrist

if someone blows up my home, if president orders evidence destroyed I will start suspecting he was in on it.

No one bombed WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 during the 9/11 attack and no one heard demolition explosions. BTW, did you know that New York City experiences over 2000 explosions each year?

What a desperate display of denial you offer. Just to keep things in "perspective", why don't you tell us how many explosions the entire planet experiences in a year? LOL

a reply to: Salander

What a desperate display of denial you offer. Just to keep things in "perspective", why don't you tell us how many explosions the entire planet experiences in a year?

I don't know how explosions there are in the world each year, but I do know that New York City experiences on average, 2100 explosions each year.

There is definitely a big chance that it was indeed an inside job.

originally posted by: Foxxer
There is definitely a big chance that it was indeed an inside job.

More likely than not..

a reply to: Foxxer

here is definitely a big chance that it was indeed an inside job.

Not when international intelligence reports from a number of countries around the world were pointing their fingers at Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda prior to 9/11.

They Tried to Warn Us: Foreign Intelligence Warnings Before 9/11
First, General Warnings

# In late 2000, British investigators teamed up with their counterparts in the Cayman Islands and began a yearlong probe of three Afghan men who had entered the Cayman Islands illegally. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01] In June 2001, the Afghan men were overheard discussing hijacking attacks in New York City, and were promptly taken into custody. This information was forwarded to US intelligence [Fox News, 5/17/02]. In late August 2001, shortly before the attacks, an anonymous letter to a Cayman radio station alleged these same men were al-Qaeda agents “organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines.” [Miami Herald, 9/20/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, MSNBC, 9/23/01]

1. In late July 2001, Afghanistan’s Foreign Minister Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil learned that Osama bin Laden was planning a “huge attack” on targets inside America. The attack was imminent, and would kill thousands, he learned from the leader of the rebel Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, which was closely allied with al-Qaeda at the time. Muttawakil sent an emissary to pass this information on to the US Consul General, and another US official, “possibly from the intelligence services.” Sources confirmed that this message was received, but supposedly not taken very seriously, because of “warning fatigue” arising from too many terror warnings. [Independent, 9/7/02, Reuters, 9/7/02]
2. Also in late July 2001, the US was given a “concrete warning” from Argentina’s Jewish community. “An attack of major proportions” was planned against either the US, Argentina, or France. The information came from an unidentified intelligence agency. [Forward, 5/31/02]
3. An undercover agent from Morocco successfully penetrated al-Qaeda. He learned that bin Laden was “very disappointed” that the 1993 bombing had not toppled the World Trade Center, and was planning “large scale operations in New York in the summer or fall of 2001.” He provided this information to the US in August 2001. [Agence France Presse, 11/22/01, International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, London Times, 6/12/02]
4. Hasni Mubarak, President of Egypt, maintains that in the beginning of September 2001 Egyptian intelligence warned American officials that al-Qaeda was in the advanced stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, probably within the US. [AP, 12/7/01, New York Times, 6/4/02] He learned this information from an agent working inside al-Qaeda. [ABC News, 6/4/02]

Warnings the Attack Will Come from the Air
Many warnings specifically mentioned a threat coming from the air.

1. In 1999, British intelligence gave a secret report to the US embassy. The report stated that al-Qaeda had plans to use “commercial aircraft” in “unconventional ways,”“possibly as flying bombs.” [Sunday Times, 6/9/02] On July 16, 2001, British intelligence passed a message to the US that al-Qaeda was in “the final stages” of preparing a terrorist attack in Western countries. [London Times, 6/14/02] In early August, the British gave another warning, telling the US to expect multiple airline hijackings from al-Qaeda. This warning was included in Bush’s briefing on August 6, 2001. [Sunday Herald, 5/19/02]

2. In June 2001, German intelligence warned the US, Britain, and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack “American and Israeli symbols which stand out.” Within the American intelligence community, “the warnings were taken seriously and surveillance intensified” but “there was disagreement on how such terrorist attacks could be prevented.” This warning came from Echelon, a spy satellite network that is partly based in Germany. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01]

3. In late July 2001, Egyptian intelligence received a report from an undercover agent in Afghanistan that “20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas.” To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn’t sound terribly alarming, but they passed on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. “The request never came.” [CBS, 10/9/02] Given that there were 19 hijackers and four pilots (who trained on Cessnas) in the 9/11 plot, one might think this would now be a big news item. But in fact, the information has only appeared as an aside in a CBS “60 Minutes” show about a different topic.

4. In late summer 2001, Jordan intelligence intercepted a message stating that a major attack was being planned inside the US and that aircraft would be used. The code name of the operation was Big Wedding, which did in fact turn out to be the codename of the 9/11 plot. The message was passed to US intelligence through several channels. [International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02]

5. Russian President Vladimir Putin publicly stated that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the US in the summer of 2001 that suicide pilots were training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also stated, “We had clearly warned them” on several occasions, but they “did not pay the necessary attention.” [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] The Russian newspaper Izvestia claimed that Russian intelligence agents knew the participants in the attacks, and: “More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation for these actions a couple of weeks before they happened.” [Izvestia, 9/12/02]

6. Five days before 9/11, the priest Jean-Marie Benjamin was told by a Muslim at an Italian wedding of a plot to attack the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons. He wasn’t told time or place specifics. He immediately passed what

Not when Osama bin Laden admitted that he was responsible for 9/11

Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.

www.foxnews.com...

Not when al-Qaeda released martyr videos of the 9/11 hijackers.

Al-Qaeda released martyr videos for most of the 9/11 hijackers

The Al Jazeera satellite network shows an hour-long video about al-Qaeda containing footage given to it from al-Qaeda of some of the 9/11 hijackers, including a martyr video from hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari (see September 9, 2002 and September 9, 2002).

14 years and counting, and not a shred of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

14 years and counting, the vast preponderance of the evidence shows that Foxxer's suspicions are very well founded. 14 years and counting shows the official narrative to be a well-conducted hoax on the American people.

a reply to: Salander

14 years and still, no evidence of a 9/11 inside job, which is understandable considering that nations around the world were pointing their fingers at Osama bin Laden, and al-Qaeda, who have admitted their responsibility for 9/11, which is backed by the international intelligence reports that were issued before 9/11.

To sum it up, there was never a case for a 9/11 inside job, which was a fabrication anyway.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Sure Skyeagle, and that is why there are so many organizations "for 911 Truth" because there is no evidence of deception and inside job. Pilots, Architects & Engineers, Firefighters, Physicians and just about every other profession whose members have examined the facts have come to the same conclusion. Just about everybody except for Milkmen For 911 Truth, LOL.

It is much easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him that he has been fooled, and you demonstrate that with every post.

a reply to: Salander

Sure Skyeagle, and that is why there are so many organizations "for 911 Truth" because there is no evidence of deception and inside job.

9/11 conspiracy organizations have made a mockery of themselves when they began to post disinformation that was planted in order to discredit the Truth Movement and it worked over the years. Now, 9/11 conspiracy theorist can't even agree on what struck WTC 1, WTC 2, and the Pentagon while others disagree whether nukes were used to demolish the WTC Towers. That shows just how unorganized the Truth Movement really is.

Pilots, Architects & Engineers, Firefighters, Physicians and just about every other profession whose members have examined the facts have come to the same conclusion. Just about everybody except for Milkmen For 911 Truth, LOL.

Let's look at the real numbers.

Civil & Structural Engineers on WTC Collapse

"The aircraft moved through the building as if it were a hot and fast lava flow," Sozen says. "Consequently, much of the fireproofing insulation was ripped off the structure. Even if all of the columns and girders had survived the impact - an unlikely event - the structure would fail as the result of a buckling of the columns. The heat from an ordinary office fire would suffice to soften and weaken the unprotected steel. Evaluation of the effects of the fire on the core column structure, with the insulation removed by the impact, showed that collapse would follow whatever the number of columns cut at the time of the impact."

There are 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report.


Towers Weakened by Planes; Brought Down by Fire

Only a handful of architects and engineers question the NIST Report, but they have never come up with an alternative. Although at first blush it may seem impressive that these people don't believe the NIST Report, remember that there are123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.


The Structural Engineering Community Rejects the Controlled-Demolition Conspiracy Theory

The structural engineering community rejects the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory. Its consensus is that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was a fire-induced, gravity-driven collapse, an explanation that does not involve the use of explosives.

The American Society of Civil Engineers Structural Engineering Institute issued a statement calling for further discussion of NIST's recommendations, and Britain's Institution of Structural Engineers published a statement in May 2002 welcoming the FEMA report, noting

The structural engineering faculty at the university issued a statement which said that they "do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones". On September 22, 2005, Jones gave a seminar on his hypotheses to a group of his colleagues from the Department of Physics and Astronomy at BYU. According to Jones, all but one of his colleagues agreed after the seminar that an investigation was in order and the lone dissenter came to agreement with Jones' suggestions the next day.

Northwestern University Professor of Civil Engineering Zdeněk Bažant, who was the first to offer a published peer-reviewed theory of the collapses, wrote "a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives" as an exception. Bažant and Verdure trace such "strange ideas" to a "mistaken impression" that safety margins in design would make the collapses impossible. One of the effects of a more detailed modeling of the progressive collapse, they say, could be to "dispel the myth of planted explosives".

Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also dismissed the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory. Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."


Civil & Structural Engineers on WTC Collapse

"The aircraft moved through the building as if it were a hot and fast lava flow," Sozen says. "Consequently, much of the fireproofing insulation was ripped off the structure. Even if all of the columns and girders had survived the impact - an unlikely event - the structure would fail as the result of a buckling of the columns. The heat from an ordinary office fire would suffice to soften and weaken the unprotected steel. Evaluation of the effects of the fire on the core column structure, with the insulation removed by the impact, showed that collapse would follow whatever the number of columns cut at the time of the impact."

911-engineers.blogspot.com...


Did experts on the scene think WTC 7 was a controlled demolition?

Whom should we ask to find out if WTC 7’s collapse resembled an explosive demolition? How about asking the explosive demolition experts who were on the scene on 9/11? Brent Blanchard of Protec:

"Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 from within a few hundred feet of the event. We have spoken with several who possess extensive experience in explosive demolition, and all reported seeing or hearing nothing to indicate an explosive detonation precipitating the collapse.

sites.google.com...


Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed: A Fire Chief ’s Assessment

The jet collapsed the ceilings and scraped most of the spray-on fire retarding asbestos from the steel trusses. The steel truss floor supports probably started to fail quickly from the flames and thecenter steel supporting columns severed by plane parts heated by the flames began to buckle, sag, warp and fail. Then the top part of the tower crashed down on the lower portion of the structure. This pancake collapse triggered the entire cascading collapse of the 110-story structure.

vincentdunn.com...

As you can plainly see, the Truth Movement doesn't have the overwhelming support of real experts. So once again, you have failed to provide evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

It is much easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him that he has been fooled, and you demonstrate that with every post.

Yeah that is for sure..

As you can plainly see, the Truth Movement doesn't have the overwhelming support of real experts. So once again, you have failed to provide evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

And you have failed to provide evidence it was not, but you sure do suggest it weather you know it or not..

a reply to: BobbyFontaine

I've learned I should stay away from 9/11 threads... (sigh)




^ and by "Fred", I mean SkyEagle (he ONLY posts in 9/11 forum, non-stop, supporting the OS and trying to discredit anyone who questions the OS)

a reply to: wildb

And you have failed to provide evidence it was not, but you sure do suggest it weather you know it or not

Your comment doesn't fly as the overwhelming number of experts have proven.

Your comment doesn't fly as the overwhelming number of experts have proven.

Expert opinions do not prove anything, evidence does, however there is no evidence as it was removed, destroyed, or was not aloud to be looked at..

a reply to: wildb

The overwhelming Evidence speaks louder than words, which explains why after 14 years, there is no evidence supporting an inside job relating to 9/11.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: wildb

The overwhelming Evidence speaks louder than words, which explains why after 14 years, there is no evidence supporting an inside job relating to 9/11.

Only in your very small world of denial , you have no overwhelming evidence......the little evidence there is does not support the OS..

a reply to: wildb

14 years and counting, and still no evidence of an 9/11 inside job. Much of what you have posted was fabricated and has been used to discredit the Truth Movement.

Much of what you have posted was fabricated and has been used to discredit the Truth Movement.

a reply to: skyeagle409

All I have posted is video of the event, that cannot be fabricated..