Former George Bush Chief Economist Says 911 Was An Inside Job

a reply to: HorusChrist

1. Molten steel at ground zero: true

That is false. Recorded temperatures at ground zero never reached the melting point of steel, but were more than high enough to melt aluminum, and there was lots of aluminum at ground zero. For an example, panels on the facade of the WTC Towers were aluminum, and the aircraft structures were constructed of aluminum.

Aluminum and the WTC Disaster

2. Demo explosions at ground zero: true

Since you think that demo explosives were used, you have to prove it by pointing out the time lines in each of the following videos where demo explosions are heard, and if you are unable to provide those demo time lines, then it will be evident that you have no case for demo explosives at ground zero.







In case you don't know what demo explosions sound like, review this video and make a comparison with the previous 3 videos that depict the collapse of WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7.

4. WTC buildings collapsed at free fall speed: true

That is false. The fact that in videos and even in photos, debris, which are falling at free fall speed, are outpacing the collapse of the WTC buildings. Here is further proof that the WTC buildings did not collapse at free fall speed.

Photo: No Free Fall Speed

9. There was an air defense 'stand down' during 9/11: true

That is false. The United States doesn't stand down its air defenses, even during exercises. One of my chapters have ties to an air defense unit at Joint-Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska. The unit, the 477th Fighter Group, 302nd Fighter Squadron. My flying buddy was honored as Honorary Commander of the 477th Fighter Group, which was his unit during World War II. I might add that the 477th Fighter Group intercepted Russian bombers on July 4, 2015.

10. No aircraft crashed into the Pentagon: not sure but if one did why need to coverup photos?

There are many photos that depict B-757 wreckage inside and outside the Pentagon.

11. A cruise missile slammed into the Pentagon: again not sure

A cruise missile could not have knocked down 5 light poles nor cause that level of damage observed at the Pentagon.

12. American 77 passed north of the gas station: not sure

The path of destruction leading to, inside, and at the punch out hole on the C-ring wall, is proof that American 77 did not pass north of the gas station. It would have been impossible for American 77 to create that damage pathway from a NoC flight path.

13. American 77 overflew the Pentagon and landed at Ronald Reagan National Airport: unsure

The claim is that American 77 overflew the Pentagon and secretly landed at Ronald Reagan National Airport. Question is, how do you sneak a B-757 into that airport under the watchful eyes of radar controllers and ATC personnel in the tower? Where would you park American 77 and who is going to pay the landing fee for that aircraft?

14. A Global Hawk slammed into the Pentagon: unsure

There was no Global Hawk wreckage recovered at the Pentagon.

15. Downed light poles were planted near the Pentagon: unsure

How do you secretly plant a damaged vehicle and downed light poles on, and near busy roadways and not attract attention?

17. Hani Hanjour was unable to fly a Cessna: false tho we was unable to land one

On the contrary, Hani Hanjour possessed a commercial pilots license, which requires flying skills above that needed to obtain a private pilot license. Afterward, he applied for a B-737-Type rating.

21. United 93 was shot down by an F-16: unsure

That story is false. The military did not know the location of United 93. Here is the video of the F-16 pilot that 9/11 conspiracy theorist claimed, was responsible for shooting down United 93.

22. United 93 was shot down by a white jet: unsure

Let's take a look here in regard to that white jet.

The White Jet

Claim: At least six eyewitnesses say they saw a small white jet flying low over the crash area almost immediately after Flight 93 went down. BlogD.com theorizes that the aircraft was downed by "either a missile fired from an Air Force jet, or via an electronic assault made by a U.S. Customs airplane reported to have been seen near the site minutes after Flight 93 crashed." WorldNetDaily.com weighs in: "Witnesses to this low-flying jet ... told their story to journalists. Shortly thereafter, the FBI began to attack the witnesses with perhaps the most inane disinformation ever—alleging the witnesses actually observed a private jet at 34,000 ft. The FBI says the jet was asked to come down to 5000 ft. and try to find the crash site. This would require about 20 minutes to descend."

FACT: There was such a jet in the vicinity—a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft."—not 34,000 ft. "They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds.

"The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly.

www.popularmechanics.com...

23. The Mayor of Shanksville claim of no aircraft wreckage at the Shansksville crash site: true

Now, for the rest of the story about the mayor.

Shanksville Mayor Ernie Stull

When Der Spiegel confronts Stull with the English translation of these passages in the book and the film script, the man is speechless: "My statements were taken completely out of context. Of course there was an airplane. It's just that there wasn't much left of it after the explosion. That's what I meant when I said 'no airplane'. I saw parts of the wreckage with my own eyes, even one of the engines. It was lying in the bushes."

www.spiegel.de...

In other words, his comment was taken out of context.

a reply to: HorusChrist

24. 9/11 conspiracy theorist claims about cell phones vs. Airfones: true

Let's take a look at the phone call record and notice that not one cell phone call was made above 5000 feet, not 30,000 feet. In fact, the overwhelming majority of phone calls were from Airfones, not cell phones.

Phone Call Record

25. Turning off an aircraft transponder renders an aircraft invisible to radar: false but this is one official story believers claimed

I know from experience that turning off the transponder does not render an aircraft invisible on radar. Remember, the B-757 and the B-767 are not stealth aircraft and even stealth aircraft are not totally invisible to radar.

Not long ago, ATC military personnel from Travis AFB, CA., were invited to conduct a presentation for my chapter since we conduct flight operations near Travis AFB. They show members of my chapter, how aircraft without working transponders are depicted on their radar scopes.

26. The 9/11 airliners were switched : unsure

It would have been impossible to switch the 9/11 aircraft and not attract a lot of attention. First of all, only a certain number of B-757-200 and B-767-200 series aircraft were built. You also have to account for the passengers and crew if the aircraft were switched.

27. WTC buildings fell within their footprints : true

That is false. The collapse of the WTC buildings did not fall within their footprints and in fact, damaged surrounding buildings. Let's take a look at this photo proof that the WTC buildings did not fall within their footprints.

Photo 1 proof that the WTC buildings did not fall within their footprints

Photo 2 proof that the WTC buildings did not fall within their footprints

Photo 3 proof that the WTC buildings did not fall within their footprints

Photo 4 proof that the WTC buildings did not fall within their footprints

28. Explosives flung steel beams hundreds of feet : true

That is false. The steel beams were flung from impacts from other debris during the collapse and there is no evidence of explosive detonations in any photo or video. Now, let's go here and tell us why a huge bomb was unable to throw the steel beams of WTC 1 anywhere in 1993. Demo explosives didn't do it.

WTC 1 Steel Beams Standing Within Huge Bomb Crrater

29. Thermite was responsible for the collapse of the WTC buildings : true

False. Steven Jones and Richard Gage were caught lying about thermite at ground zero and no evidence of thermite was was ever found at ground zero.

30. High temperatures within the WTC rubble proved that thermite was responsible : false but the thermite in dust is what proved it

That is false. Thermite does not leave behind molten iron for minutes, hours, much less days afterward. Many people are unaware that iron in storage can generate temperatures high enough to start fires. Let's go here.

Iron Burns

Sometimes a big load of iron in a ship can get hot. The heat can even set other materials on fire. That’s because the iron is rusting, which means it is burning very, very slowly. Iron rusts in a chemical reaction called oxidation. That means the iron reacts with oxygen gas from the air. Oxidation is the chemical reaction that occurs when anything burns in air. Like most oxidations, rusting gives off heat."

www.debunking911.com...

To continue:

31. ACARS depicted 9/11 airliners airborne after their crash times : unsure on this one

That is easy to debunk because at no time did the radar contacts depict the 9/11 airliners airborne after they'd crashed, not to mention the recovery of aircraft wreckage from those 9/11 airliners at their crash sites.

32. An Air Force C-130 guided a missile into the Pentagon : unsure

That is false. Let's here it from the C-130 pilot in question.

33. The 9/11 airliners were flown under remote control : unsure but likely

The B-767 and the B-757 are not fly-by wire aircraft and there was no way that American Airlines and United Airlines would have grounded their aircraft in order to have them modified to fly their aircraft under remote control into buildings.

34. The aircraft that struck WTC 2 did not have passenger windows: unsure

Let's take a look here and tell us if you see passenger windows in the following photos.

Photo 1: United 175 Wreckage

PHoto 2: United 175 Wreckage

To sum it up, there is no evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

and there is no evidence of explosive detonations in any photo or video

Only for those with impaired vision.....

originally posted by: wildb

and there is no evidence of explosive detonations in any photo or video

Only for those with impaired vision.....

Impaired vision or cognitive dissonance.

whoa you were ready with the disinfo . I'll need time to look it over

a reply to: wildb

All you have to do is to prove me wrong. Now, point out the time lines in the videos that depict demo explosions, and if you are unable to post the time lines for us all, then I am going to take advantage of your lack of ability to do so.

a reply to: HorusChrist


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1. Molten steel at ground zero: true


That is false. Recorded temperatures at ground zero never reached the melting point of steel, but were more than high enough to melt aluminum, and there was lots of aluminum at ground zero. For an example, panels on the facade of the WTC Towers were aluminum, and the aircraft structures were constructed of aluminum.

for this one, so it was aluminum, not steel, melting? possible. unsure I'd say. too bad the coverup destroyed all the evidence so we can't check. but coverups prove guilt so maybe there's no need . . . safe to assume it was steel, or else why cover it up? biggest crime on American soil ever.

a reply to: Salander

Do you have any time lines to present that depict the sound of demo explosions in those WTC videos? If not, then my case will be made, and proven, that demo explosives were not used to bring down the WTC buildings.

a reply to: HorusChrist

for this one, so it was aluminum, not steel, melting?

That is correct, which was evident as the molten droplets cooled to a silvery color. The source of that molten aluminum was from the same location where much of the aluminum airframe of United 175 came to rest, which is the northeast corner of WTC 2.

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possible. unsure I'd say. too bad the coverup destroyed all the evidence so we can't check. but coverups prove guilt so maybe there's no need . . . safe to assume it was steel, or else why cover it up? biggest crime on American soil ever.

There was no cover-up and others have concluded that the molten flow was aluminum as well.

Report chronicles the final moments of WTC tragedy

The apparent source of this waterfall: molten aluminum from the airliner's wings and fuselage, which had also piled up in that corner. Within minutes, portions of the 80th floor began to give way, as evidenced by horizontal lines of dust blowing out of the side of the building.

Seconds later, near the heavily damaged southeasterly portion of this same floor, close to where the aircraft had entered, exterior columns began to buckle.

www.taipeitimes.com...

Depiction: Aluminum Droplets

Stephen D. Chastain of Metal Talk.

Several times over the last year I have been asked to comment on a photo of one of the Trade Center Towers. The photo shows a molten flow from one of the windows. The flow falls down along the building. It appears orange and turns to a gray color as it cools.

THEREFORE assuming that the flow consist of molten aluminum and considerable oxides, and assuming that the windows in the trade center were plate glass and also in a plastic state and that they were also likely entrained in the molten aluminum.

Summary: The flow is not steel because the structural steel would fail well below the melting temperature. The flow is likely to be a mixture of aluminum, aluminum oxides, molten glass and coals of whatever trash the aluminum flowed over as it reached the open window. Such a flow would appear orange and cool to a dark color.

Stephen D. Chastain

www.debunking911.com...


Molten Aluminum

The composition of the flowing material can only be the subject of speculation, but its behavior is consistent with it being molten aluminum.

Visual evidence suggest that a significant wreckage from the plane passed thought the building and came to rest in the northeast corner of the tower in the vicinity of the location where the material is observed.

Much of the structure of the Boeing 767 is formed from two aluminum alloys that have been identified as 2024 and 7075 closely related alloys. These alloys do not melt at a single temp, but melt over a temp range from the lower end of the range to the upper as the fraction of the liquid increases. The Aluminum association handbook lists the melting point as roughly 500C to 638 C and 475 C to 635C for alloys 2024 and 7075 respectively.

These temperatures are well below those characteristic of fully developed fires (ca 1000C ) and any aluminum present is likely to be at least partially melted by the intense fires in the area.

www.debunking911.com...

sky why do you think timelines in videos matter?

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: HorusChrist

for this one, so it was aluminum, not steel, melting?

That is correct, which was evident as the molten droplets cooled to a silvery color. The source of that molten aluminum was from the same location where much of the aluminum airframe of United 175 came to rest, which is the northeast corner of WTC 2.

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possible. unsure I'd say. too bad the coverup destroyed all the evidence so we can't check. but coverups prove guilt so maybe there's no need . . . safe to assume it was steel, or else why cover it up? biggest crime on American soil ever.

There was no cover-up and others have concluded that the molten flow was aluminum as well.

Report chronicles the final moments of WTC tragedy

The apparent source of this waterfall: molten aluminum from the airliner's wings and fuselage, which had also piled up in that corner. Within minutes, portions of the 80th floor began to give way, as evidenced by horizontal lines of dust blowing out of the side of the building.

Seconds later, near the heavily damaged southeasterly portion of this same floor, close to where the aircraft had entered, exterior columns began to buckle.

www.taipeitimes.com...

Depiction: Aluminum Droplets

Stephen D. Chastain of Metal Talk.

Several times over the last year I have been asked to comment on a photo of one of the Trade Center Towers. The photo shows a molten flow from one of the windows. The flow falls down along the building. It appears orange and turns to a gray color as it cools.

THEREFORE assuming that the flow consist of molten aluminum and considerable oxides, and assuming that the windows in the trade center were plate glass and also in a plastic state and that they were also likely entrained in the molten aluminum.

Summary: The flow is not steel because the structural steel would fail well below the melting temperature. The flow is likely to be a mixture of aluminum, aluminum oxides, molten glass and coals of whatever trash the aluminum flowed over as it reached the open window. Such a flow would appear orange and cool to a dark color.

Stephen D. Chastain

www.debunking911.com...


Molten Aluminum

The composition of the flowing material can only be the subject of speculation, but its behavior is consistent with it being molten aluminum.

Visual evidence suggest that a significant wreckage from the plane passed thought the building and came to rest in the northeast corner of the tower in the vicinity of the location where the material is observed.

Much of the structure of the Boeing 767 is formed from two aluminum alloys that have been identified as 2024 and 7075 closely related alloys. These alloys do not melt at a single temp, but melt over a temp range from the lower end of the range to the upper as the fraction of the liquid increases. The Aluminum association handbook lists the melting point as roughly 500C to 638 C and 475 C to 635C for alloys 2024 and 7075 respectively.

These temperatures are well below those characteristic of fully developed fires (ca 1000C ) and any aluminum present is likely to be at least partially melted by the intense fires in the area.

www.debunking911.com...

no coverup, ok let's go look at the remains and see if the melted stuff is steel or aluminum . . . oops long ago destroyed. convenient. Maybe the missing 28 pages explains they had to do that because . . . ?

why would a non moving photo prove it wasn't falling at free fall speed? obviously didn't start falling till after the explosion btw.

9. There was an air defense 'stand down' during 9/11: true



That is false. The United States doesn't stand down its air defenses, even during exercises. One of my chapters have ties to an air defense unit at Joint-Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska. The unit, the 477th Fighter Group, 302nd Fighter Squadron. My flying buddy was honored as Honorary Commander of the 477th Fighter Group, which was his unit during World War II. I might add that the 477th Fighter Group intercepted Russian bombers on July 4, 2015.

You sir have a conflict of interest but I'm glad you admitted it.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: wildb

All you have to do is to prove me wrong. Now, point out the time lines in the videos that depict demo explosions, and if you are unable to post the time lines for us all, then I am going to take advantage of your lack of ability to do so.

Why are you replying to me? I'm not talking to you. You do this a lot, can you not keep your post strait..

originally posted by: wildb

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: wildb

All you have to do is to prove me wrong. Now, point out the time lines in the videos that depict demo explosions, and if you are unable to post the time lines for us all, then I am going to take advantage of your lack of ability to do so.

Why are you replying to me? I'm not talking to you. You do this a lot, can you not keep your post strait..

yeah I think he meant to reply to me cuz he was talking about timelines in videos to me

a reply to: HorusChrist

Because no demo explosions are heard as WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapsed. Explosions are very loud and I can testify to that fact during my wartime tours. In one case, my living quarters was violently shaken one night from a B-52 strike that occurred from many miles away.

No sound of demolition explosions in the WTC videos explains why demo explosions were not detected by seismic machines in the area. In order for explosives to be effective, explosives must firmly be placed on the steel columns, otherwise, the blast waves will simply flow around the steel columns like wind flowing around a flag pole and yet, the aircraft collisions were so violent that they dislodged fire protection from the steel structures of the WTC Towers.

In addition, there were no secondary explosions as American 11 and United 175 strike the WTC Towers, and that was another clue no explosives were planted within the areas where the collapse of each of those buildings commenced and that explains why no evidence of explosives was ever found within the WTC rubble.

a reply to: HorusChrist

You sir have a conflict of interest but I'm glad you admitted it.

Once again, we don't stand down our air defenses. In addition, our air defenses before 9/11 were not geared to deal with civiilian aircraft within the borders of the United States. After all, it took well over one hour to intercept the Lear Jet of Payne Stewart and the aircraft that intercepted his aircraft wasn't even an interceptor on alert duty.

Here is another example.

Death Ends 1,600-Mile Flight Of Learjet Stolen by Mechanic

DENVER, May 25— A flight mechanic who did not have a pilot's license stole a private jet in Virginia early today and flew it 1,600 miles to Denver, where he shot himself to death as the authorities closed in, officials said.

www.nytimes.com...

Now, let's take a look here.

113th Wing, Andrews AFB

"We've never been an air defense unit. We practice scrambles, we know how to do intercepts and other things, but there's a lot of protocol in the air defense business. We obviously didn't have that expertise...

Lt. Colonel Phil Thompson, Chief of Safety for the 113th Wing, Andrews AFB

In interviews with us, NEADS personnel expressed considerable confusion over the nature and effect of the order

NEADS Commander

The NEADS commander told us he did not pass along the order because he was unaware of its ramifications. Both the mission commander and the senior weapons director indicated they did not pass the order to the fighters circling Washington and New York because they were unsure how the pilots would, or should, proceed with this guidance.

"The fighter pilots do not know if they have permission to shoot down planes. A commander tells them they do not.

www.nytimes.com...

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: HorusChrist

Because no demo explosions are heard as WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 collapsed. Explosions are very loud and I can testify to that fact during my wartime tours. In one case, my living quarters was violently shaken one night from a B-52 strike that occurred from many miles away.

No sound of demolition explosions in the WTC videos explains why demo explosions were not detected by seismic machines in the area. In order for explosives to be effective, explosives must firmly be placed on the steel columns, otherwise, the blast waves will simply flow around the steel columns like wind flowing around a flag pole and yet, the aircraft collisions were so violent that they dislodged fire protection from the steel structures of the WTC Towers.

In addition, there were no secondary explosions as American 11 and United 175 strike the WTC Towers, and that was another clue no explosives were planted within the areas where the collapse of each of those buildings commenced and that explains why no evidence of explosives was ever found within the WTC rubble.

hmmm even if you believe the official theory you should admit two explosions occurred, when the planes hit the buildings they blew up.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: HorusChrist

You sir have a conflict of interest but I'm glad you admitted it.

Once again, we don't stand down our air defenses. In addition, our air defenses before 9/11 were not geared to deal with civiilian aircraft within the borders of the United States. After all, it took well over one hour to intercept the Lear Jet of Payne Stewart and the aircraft that intercepted his aircraft wasn't even an interceptor on alert duty.

Here is another example.

Death Ends 1,600-Mile Flight Of Learjet Stolen by Mechanic

DENVER, May 25— A flight mechanic who did not have a pilot's license stole a private jet in Virginia early today and flew it 1,600 miles to Denver, where he shot himself to death as the authorities closed in, officials said.

www.nytimes.com...

Now, let's take a look here.

113th Wing, Andrews AFB

"We've never been an air defense unit. We practice scrambles, we know how to do intercepts and other things, but there's a lot of protocol in the air defense business. We obviously didn't have that expertise...

Lt. Colonel Phil Thompson, Chief of Safety for the 113th Wing, Andrews AFB

In interviews with us, NEADS personnel expressed considerable confusion over the nature and effect of the order

NEADS Commander

The NEADS commander told us he did not pass along the order because he was unaware of its ramifications. Both the mission commander and the senior weapons director indicated they did not pass the order to the fighters circling Washington and New York because they were unsure how the pilots would, or should, proceed with this guidance.

"The fighter pilots do not know if they have permission to shoot down planes. A commander tells them they do not.

www.nytimes.com...

did you benefit financially due to the wars on terror which occurred due to 9/11? do you continue to benefit to this day from the "defense industry"?

a reply to: HorusChrist

no coverup, ok let's go look at the remains and see if the melted stuff is steel or aluminum . . . oops long ago destroyed. convenient. Maybe the missing 28 pages explains they had to do that because . . . ?

We can take a look here.

Maybe the missing 28 pages explains they had to do that because . . . ?

What were in those pages?