Turkey shoots down Russian jet

5 days ago, Turkey warns Russia it will shoot down planes caught in its airspace
www.mirror.co.uk...

Could be true but it could also be propaganda or just rumors.

Any late news?

I am very relieved, after my heart skipped a beat reading this topic title, to have scoured the internet to the best of my ability and found no credible source for this being true so far. I hope it remains so.

Peace.

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: markosity1973

They're not poking the Russian bear. The bear keeps violating their airspace and locking on to their jets. Turkey should've done this the first time.

Really ... looking at a map, this plain went down inside Syria ... way way inside Syria.

So, the conflict between Russia and USA could move into Turkey as well ?

So, getting back on topic...

Reports in the msm of two explosions with 30+ casualties in Turkey now? - possibly PKK involved.

Source: mobile.reuters.com...

Now call me paranoid if you like but while most countries regard the PKK as a terrorist organisation, Russia does not?

I just find it fishy that, so soon after the alleged downing of a Syrian/Russian jet and with the tension over there at the moment, there's a terror attack in Turkey.

a reply to: Elysarian

Now call me paranoid if you like but while most countries regard the PKK as a terrorist organisation, Russia does not?

What does Russia have to do with the PKK? What are you trying to sell here?

Actually the West has been supporting the Kurdish Peshmergas fighting in Syria with PKK soldiers among their ranks.

a reply to: RogueWave

Not pushing anything - for all I know the bombs could be a false flag by turkey themselves.

I am actually leaning toward the "let Russia deal with Syria" side as time goes on - deal with Assad's crimes once ISIS are gone.

a reply to: Elysarian

I just find it fishy that, so soon after the alleged downing of a Syrian/Russian jet and with the tension over there at the moment, there's a terror attack in Turkey.

You are clearly pushing the idea that somehow, by an immense leap of logic, Russia is responsible for this bombing.

originally posted by: Talorc

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Talorc

originally posted by: Gothmog
Mig 29 vs Nato aircraft . Someone has to lose ....
n-Topic- this was most likely a military blunder in the heat of battle. The Mig saw 3 unidentified aircraft , painted em to get a better view. Mistake. The Turkish aircraft took this as an act of aggression and shot it down. "Stuff Happens"

What does "painting" refer to?

RADAR target lock.I should have been clearer..Sometimes a pilot can receive more information that way.Not a good idea in a conflict zone , though.

Thanks for allowing me to clear that one up.

I see, thank you.

I hope this is not true..... I've seen some folks here that are nearly slavering for war; you can sense it in their posts, though they may not say it openly. They, and all of us, will be in for a cruel awakening should things go south. Many have been treating this whole thing like a sports match, rooting for one "team" or the other.

My advice to everyone is to keep your heads.

You are correct........this isn't a game...............its real life, lot of good, innocent people could die.

a reply to: RogueWave

I was running on the assumption that is a MIG 29 was downed then it wasn't Russian, it was Syrian.

If any state were involved with that assumption it would be Assad's Syria (the statement on Russia was merely to point out that the pkk in Syria won't be targeted by Russia as they don't consider them as a terrorist organisation).

www.express.co.uk...

According to reports, eyewitnesses saw a large explosion in Huraytan, northern Syria, while three fighter jets were hovering above.

One journalist tweeted that three Turkish planes were responding to "mysterious" lock-ons from Mig-29 jets, which are used by Putin's forces.

Express.co.uk has contacted the Turkish government and the Russian military but neither could be reached for comment.

Why was Russia in Turkish air space though? His own fault.

originally posted by: Elysarian
a reply to: RogueWave

I was running on the assumption that is a MIG 29 was downed then it wasn't Russian, it was Syrian.

If any state were involved with that assumption it would be Assad's Syria (the statement on Russia was merely to point out that the pkk in Syria won't be targeted by Russia as they don't consider them as a terrorist organisation).

The Russian carrier have MIG 29Ks onboard. Where is that carrier?

originally posted by: EyeKyu
www.express.co.uk...

According to reports, eyewitnesses saw a large explosion in Huraytan, northern Syria, while three fighter jets were hovering above.

One journalist tweeted that three Turkish planes were responding to "mysterious" lock-ons from Mig-29 jets, which are used by Putin's forces.

Express.co.uk has contacted the Turkish government and the Russian military but neither could be reached for comment.

From 10 minutes ago.

That's almost word for word the same report that's been circulating since this thread was started, with the original source being twitter posts. Doesn't seem like a new report or new evidence that this actually took place. Could be wrong, of course.

Peace.

a reply to: Elysarian

(the statement on Russia was merely to point out that the pkk in Syria won't be targeted by Russia as they don't consider them as a terrorist organisation).

What do you base this on anyway?

Now call me paranoid if you like but while most countries regard the PKK as a terrorist organisation, Russia does not? I just find it fishy that, so soon after the alleged downing of a Syrian/Russian jet and with the tension over there at the moment, there's a terror attack in Turkey.

You are implying a relation between the PKK, Russia, the rumor of the shot down jet, and the bombing in Turkey.

Can you explain the relation here?

"Turkey" is NATO. NATO jets cross into Syria all the time.

Russian jets are operating close to the Turkish border because thats where arms and insurgents cross back and forth between Turkey and Syria. Cut off the supply and the insurgency will die on the vine.

Expect more "border" incidents.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge

It was ignorant, but over 36% of the male population dies before the age of 50 due to liver complications. Caused by alcohol. So he's not wrong on the drinking part. He just said it in an ignorant way.

originally posted by: EyeKyu
www.express.co.uk...

According to reports, eyewitnesses saw a large explosion in Huraytan, northern Syria, while three fighter jets were hovering above.

One journalist tweeted that three Turkish planes were responding to "mysterious" lock-ons from Mig-29 jets, which are used by Putin's forces.

Express.co.uk has contacted the Turkish government and the Russian military but neither could be reached for comment.

Why was Russia in Turkish air space though? His own fault.

Just curious, but do you believe Turkey has the right to fire on any foreign aircraft in its airspace? I agree that legally they would be within their right to do so.

However, don't Assad & the Syrian army also have that same right? The Western coalition is openly training & arming "rebels" against Assad's government & is flying missions in Syria to help those "rebels". And the Syrian government never invited them, which means they're in open violation of Syrian airspace.

So does Syria also have the legal right to shoot down Western planes that are violating its airspace?

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: EyeKyu
www.express.co.uk...

According to reports, eyewitnesses saw a large explosion in Huraytan, northern Syria, while three fighter jets were hovering above.

One journalist tweeted that three Turkish planes were responding to "mysterious" lock-ons from Mig-29 jets, which are used by Putin's forces.

Express.co.uk has contacted the Turkish government and the Russian military but neither could be reached for comment.

Why was Russia in Turkish air space though? His own fault.

Just curious, but do you believe Turkey has the right to fire on any foreign aircraft in its airspace? I agree that legally they would be within their right to do so.

However, don't Assad & the Syrian army also have that same right? The Western coalition is openly training & arming "rebels" against Assad's government & is flying missions in Syria to help those "rebels". And the Syrian government never invited them, which means they're in open violation of Syrian airspace.

So does Syria also have the legal right to shoot down Western planes that are violating its airspace?

You are correct the Assad government wont hit back at the countries around the world sending terrorists into the country.

They wont hit back because they either lack the ability to do so, or are afraid to due to the lash back from the governments flying into thier airspace.

Eventually I think Syria will star shooting down planes of countries that they havent invited in, and they may even start regional wars with other Arab and European countries for destroying Syria.

So far Assad hasnt done anything back, we will see what happens.

I will tell you this if a country flew into US airspace it would be shot down no matter what. I think the Assad government lacks the ability to do so and is afraid of the international repercussions of such an action.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: EyeKyu
www.express.co.uk...

According to reports, eyewitnesses saw a large explosion in Huraytan, northern Syria, while three fighter jets were hovering above.

One journalist tweeted that three Turkish planes were responding to "mysterious" lock-ons from Mig-29 jets, which are used by Putin's forces.

Express.co.uk has contacted the Turkish government and the Russian military but neither could be reached for comment.

Why was Russia in Turkish air space though? His own fault.

Just curious, but do you believe Turkey has the right to fire on any foreign aircraft in its airspace? I agree that legally they would be within their right to do so.

However, don't Assad & the Syrian army also have that same right? The Western coalition is openly training & arming "rebels" against Assad's government & is flying missions in Syria to help those "rebels". And the Syrian government never invited them, which means they're in open violation of Syrian airspace.

So does Syria also have the legal right to shoot down Western planes that are violating its airspace?

You are correct the Assad government wont hit back at the countries around the world sending terrorists into the country.

They wont hit back because they either lack the ability to do so, or are afraid to due to the lash back from the governments flying into thier airspace.

Eventually I think Syria will star shooting down planes of countries that they havent invited in, and they may even start regional wars with other Arab and European countries for destroying Syria.

So far Assad hasnt done anything back, we will see what happens.

I will tell you this if a country flew into US airspace it would be shot down no matter what. I think the Assad government lacks the ability to do so and is afraid of the international repercussions of such an action.

I agree. I think it's mostly because of the fear of repercussions. Israel's directly attacked Syria several times since the war began. But I think Assad knows the US will start a full fledged air campaign against him if he were to strike back. I believe the same would happen if any of our NATO allies' planes were struck, as well.

That double standard is what I was trying to convey. We sanction & attack countries for human rights abuses, then won't hold our own people or allies accountable when they commit human rights abuses. We demonize opponents for killing civilians, but consider our own civilian victims as both "collateral damage" and "bug splat". And now we applaud Turkey for allegedly shooting down uninvited intruders in their airspace, even though we're constantly violating Syria's airspace.