Ten Commandments Monument Removed From Oklahoma Capitol Grounds

a reply to: SuperFrog
does it really represent a religious view though? It's my understanding that most of these kinds of rocks were placed during the cold war in the 50's I believe. I don't think that the original message had much to do with religion as it was with a call to unite, for well ya know God, Country, And well, guns and war against the demonic communists. But then, I am kind of getting into the motives which we really can't guess the motives of those who place them there. Now, they are those who are struggling to preserve them under the pretense that hey, since they are there, it proves that our country was founded on christian principles...we're a christian nation. Some of us are trying to erase a part of our history ( the cold war, the attempt to demonize half the world, ect) while others are trying to use them to rewrite history to a form that is more fitting to their agenda. but there is an historical significance to the rocks, if only we could look at them with the desire to see it, maybe we could learn something.

shall we also destroy half of DC since well, that also has some pretty big symbolism involved in it, that of the masons, which has prossibly come down from the knights templar. and what about the airport in denver with all it's symbolism? how far do we have to go till we surpass the islamic fanatics?

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Dawkins is on your pedestal, trophied like a statue

I've never read Dawkins.

Actually, I've never actually read any atheist, except for the few blips here and there on ATS. And occasional independent research to answer a question.

My thoughts are my own. As a result of researching religion --- not atheism.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Raggedyman

The removal IS a good thing. But it has nothing to do with being or not being atheist. It's about Separation of Church and State. You brought the atheist argument into the thread. Not us.

Thank you.

Yes, it's about Separation of Church and State.

Who, what, where is really not relevent.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Raggedyman

The removal IS a good thing. But it has nothing to do with being or not being atheist. It's about Separation of Church and State. You brought the atheist argument into the thread. Not us.

So removing the rock will separate church and state, cool got it

You da winner, logic like that

r us we have a enemy
This is a troll post.

Asking me if my mother was hit by an atheist is a troll post,

Your reasoning is childish, removing a rock won't change a thing

Yay for us, we have a teeny weeny irrelevant victory, let's all go talk it up

What will it change?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Dawkins is on your pedestal, trophied like a statue

I've never read Dawkins.

Actually, I've never actually read any atheist, except for the few blips here and there on ATS. And occasional independent research to answer a question.

My thoughts are my own. As a result of researching religion --- not atheism.

Annee
This isnt about religion as you try hard to infer
This is about community and respecting other peoples rights and beliefs, like them or not

I live in a house that has a religious name on it, always has to my knowledge.
I hated it.

One day a friend suggested that I was causing myself unnecessary concern, its only a plaque, its only a name. It means nothing to me.

You know what, it doesnt, its irrelevant to me.

Someone wants it there, good luck to them.

If it makes someone else happy, thats cool, all my best to them, hope they enjoy it, I dont care about it.

If its removed, I wont sing dance or make a thread.
I dont see the big deal you all are making about it, its intolerance.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Just one lonely Christian inspired artifact on government land.

Oh wait - - its not. There are more.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
This is about community and respecting other peoples rights and beliefs, like them or not

Will you respect others problem beliefs if Muslims like to place their artifacts prizing Allah an giving basic instructions...

I think not...

originally posted by: SuperFrog

originally posted by: Raggedyman
This is about community and respecting other peoples rights and beliefs, like them or not

Will you respect others problem beliefs if Muslims like to place their artifacts prizing Allah an giving basic instructions...

I think not...

You can think what you like, I really don't care.

Alternately read dawn stars comments, I think they were valid.

I figured my position was clear and obvious, I care about that.
re read my posts, think on my previous comments before wild assumption is bandied about

It's not hard to figure out if you excercise a little comprehension

No, no more statues or of their ilk, Muslim, Christian, satanist or Buddhist, that time is done

Small world you want to create for yourself, you have my pity

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Raggedyman

Just one lonely Christian inspired artifact on government land.

Oh wait - - its not. There are more.

So like ISis you want to go and destroy everything that doesn't conform to your views.

I don't understand why you can't see the similarities between yours and their actions.

Truly I am at a loss

Your battle cry is they are on public grounds, theirs is they are on our territory.

No difference I can see

Maybe you can explain the difference to me so I understand?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

But it is not just Oklahoma. There is Indiana, which now is having to deal with issues that it was not wanting to deal with in the first place. And Michigan, of course the Islamic community is rejoicing at that law, and Florida, and so forth, where the politicians in an attempt to stop what they view as an affront to one religion are making it possible for all others to exploit and abuse such laws. And the sad thing is that it is the Christians that are crying foul and having fits when people are demanding equal rights.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Kinda proves that once you have studied it in detail you dismiss it.

Is that why you spend so much time and effort on a religious forum? Perhaps a reexamination of yourself is in order.

a reply to: Seede

Gotta fight what is wrong with the world.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Separation of church and state is a simple concept, it's a wonder why Christians have so much trouble understanding it...

Why just Christians? Why not Islamist's also? Are you inferring that only Christians have a problem with Church and State? Sure does sound like it. But then are you not the one who said the Christian "God is an asshole?" Kind of prejudiced somewhat is it not? But then perhaps you want sharia law as a blanket cover for all those ole mean Christians. Looks like even the bashers are just as bad as the mean ole Christians.

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Separation of church and state is a simple concept, it's a wonder why Christians have so much trouble understanding it...

Why just Christians? Why not Islamist's also? Are you inferring that only Christians have a problem with Church and State? Sure does sound like it. But then are you not the one who said the Christian "God is an asshole?" Kind of prejudiced somewhat is it not? But then perhaps you want sharia law as a blanket cover for all those ole mean Christians. Looks like even the bashers are just as bad as the mean ole Christians.

Why do some insist on bringing Islam into discussions when the subject is explicitly about something Christians did?

A 10 Comandments monument designed for and placed by Christians on government property.

originally posted by: SuperFrog
a reply to: Jobeycool

Right...

Here is late Chirstopher's explanation of 10 commandments, and Sirrurg has posted another one of my favorites, late George Carlin's version.

Hitchens or Carlin are not my gods,I do not surrender my life to them.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Jobeycool
Your whole post looks like an angry rant that people don't care about your religion as much as you want them to anymore. Oh well. Trying to scare us into belief isn't going to work either. We have seen past such obvious propaganda techniques.

Who the heck would not be angry at the stupid ignorance going on..Frightening what is happening to this world right now.You should more frightended by the radical muslims will kill you in a heartbeat second.
This stuff going on in the world is nothing but HATRED.Jealous,envy,greed,etc.All things that divide mankind.

Turkey may have shot down a Russian jet,might want to read some real important news going on in your world that could lead to WW3. Turkey had a suicide bombing attack again.Probably ISIS or it could be Saudis terrorist trying to get Turkey in the war to destabilize the world and you whine over stupid holiday decoartion.GET REAL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All they need to do is have a million dollar fee to put up a monument and those with the most conviction have at it...hehe

I have always had an issue with the Ten Commandments, pisses me off that the Government would even want me to not do any of them....I feel free now....

originally posted by: Jobeycool
Hitchens or Carlin are not my gods,I do not surrender my life to them.

Hitchens or Carlin are not Gods... but someone who was honest and who observed your imaginary friend and teld us what they think....

a reply to: Annee

Why do some insist on bringing Islam into discussions when the subject is explicitly about something Christians did? A 10 Comandments monument designed for and placed by Christians on government property.

The subject was separation of religion from State affairs. Not simply separation of Christian religion from State affairs but all religions from State affairs. Not knowing what your state is but this was a Oklahoma State matter and not a SCOTUS affair. Also it was not a Christian only affair but also of Judaic origin.

That and the fact that the op specifically inferred that the matter of separation of Church and State was a Christian problem when it is in fact a national religious problem and not simply one religions problem. The picture is much greater than presented and solves nothing on the national scale. Also the op did not state which sect of Christianity was involved which is the crux of the matter. All Christians do not practice nor do they have the same mindset. When referencing Christianity it would be not only fair but correct to address the sect that is being referenced.

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Annee

Why do some insist on bringing Islam into discussions when the subject is explicitly about something Christians did? A 10 Comandments monument designed for and placed by Christians on government property.

The subject was separation of religion from State affairs. Not simply separation of Christian religion from State affairs but all religions from State affairs. Not knowing what your state is but this was a Oklahoma State matter and not a SCOTUS affair. Also it was not a Christian only affair but also of Judaic origin.

That and the fact that the op specifically inferred that the matter of separation of Church and State was a Christian problem when it is in fact a national religious problem and not simply one religions problem. The picture is much greater than presented and solves nothing on the national scale. Also the op did not state which sect of Christianity was involved which is the crux of the matter. All Christians do not practice nor do they have the same mindset. When referencing Christianity it would be not only fair but correct to address the sect that is being referenced.

There was ZERO reason to bring Islam into this discussion.