ISIS left so weakened by airstrikes and desertion it could be destroyed in just HOURS

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So what's the problem then? If you don't think that the refugees should be treated as terrorists and believe that almost all of them AREN'T terrorists, then why even bring up the point in the first place?

Little recap?

You said this,

So, because the media says that ISIS is hiding among the refugees, that means that it is true? The way you just said that post worries me.

In my experience the media is quite silent about this possibilty, so I said this,

To me it seems the vast majority of media in Europe is in fact ignoring the possibility of IS fighters among the refugees. I would say it is a legitimate concern.

So is it not a legitimate concern? If they were crossing America's borders you would all be up in arms, no doubt about it.

So why the hypcrisy?

Why do you insist that I am calling all refugees terrorists when I only expressed concern that terrorists could be among them?

So what's the problem then? If you don't think that the refugees should be treated as terrorists and believe that almost all of them AREN'T terrorists, then why even bring up the point in the first place?

This is such a BS statement. Obviously because some possibly ARE terrorists. What you are saying is that I can't say that some possibly are, because most aren't.

Makes no sense.

a reply to: Macenroe82

Dumb dumb, imagine if they act as lone wolves and do the same on various capitals of the world as a reaction!

originally posted by: RogueWave
So is it not a legitimate concern. If they were crossing America's borders you would all be up in arms, no doubt about it.

So why the hypcracy?

Hypocrisy? Do you know who I am? I don't believe any of the claims about ISIS crossing into the states either. I've been very vocal about that on ATS too.

Why do you insist that i am calling all refugees terrorists when I only expressed concern that terrorists could be among them?

It's a common mistake that many people make when talking about ISIS hiding among refugees. Forgive me for jumping to conclusions.

This is such a BS statement. Obviously because some possibly ARE terrorists. What you are saying is that I can't say that some possibly are, because most aren't.

Makes no sense.

So what do you plan to accomplish by saying this? Should we just look at refugees with wary eyes? Should we enact policies to pick them out? Like I was saying earlier in this post, many want to establish that terrorists are hiding among the refugees as a sort of stepping stone to trying to enact dehumanizing policies against them. So do you think the percentage of Muslims that may or may not be members of ISIS among the refugees is high enough to take action? Or are you just trying to muddy the waters of the discussion?

Because ME, I don't think the numbers are anywhere NEAR as high as they need to be to incite coordinated terrorist plots or even uncoordinated terrorist plots. I don't think there are any more terrorists among this group of refugees than there are among any OTHER group of Muslim immigrants. Which, to me, is so few that it doesn't make a difference to even worry about it.

a reply to: RogueWave

And this is not a legitimate concern?

Correct, it is not a legitimate concern. Most of the jihadists are already European citizens. They are not refugees.

So you are saying that I am one of these people "designing" "insinuations" to "punish" people disloyal to Assad?

Absolutely. You look foolish trying to deny it.

This doesn't make sense on so many levels.

Denying it doesn't make sense on any level.

First off, like I said, it is a legitimate concern, looking at it from any logical perspective.

It is completely illogical. We know for a fact that there are already sleeper cells in Europe and that European Muslims have gone to Syria prepared to die for their cause. If they had a change of heart, they would return the same way they came and re-enter with their passport.

Second, who says that refugees are per definition disloyal to Assad?

What part of "Assad considers them traitors" did you not understand?

Third, how are my words capable of punsihing anyone?

I agree you are singularly ineffective, but propagandists have been known to circulate rumors on the internet in the hopes of planting ideas in people's heads. The "refugees may really be terrorists" meme is designed to increase European suspicion of the refugees, which in turn creates political pressure to turn them away. This can cause suffering and death. Or did you not know any of this when you started typing?

Fourth, as if I am the only European citizen who's country is taking in these refugees to have this concern.

What European country is that? Syria?

Fifth, I didn't even insinuate that all refugees are terrorists.

I didn't say you did. Your words were designed to create the impression that some of them may be, and that that is a "serious concern." Let me make your message about refugees explicit for you:

FEAR THEM! TURN THEM AWAY! LET THEM DIE!

You are really grasping at straws here.

And I can't believe you consistently refuse to walk away when you fail.

originally posted by: vonclod
So..it's been more than a few hours since I read this yesterday..is it over?..didn't think so.

In fact:

www.cnn.com...

Great job those Russians are doing.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Hypocrisy? Do you know who I am?

Are you someone important?

Yes, hypocrisy. If these refugess were at your borders there would be widespread concern within your country that terrorists are among them.

I don't believe any of the claims about ISIS crossing into the states either.

What? I was talking about the hypothetical situation in which these refugees were not entering Europe, but your country.

So what do you plan to accomplish by saying this?

What are you talking about. What are you trying to accomplish when you share your opinion or concerns on this forum?

i responded to your post that was inaccurate from my perspective and shared my concern.

Should we just look at refugees with wary eyes? Should we enact policies to pick them out? Like I was saying earlier in this post, many want to establish that terrorists are hiding among the refugees as a sort of stepping stone to trying to enact dehumanizing policies against them. So do you think the percentage of Muslims that may or may not be members of ISIS among the refugees is high enough to take action? Or are you just trying to muddy the waters of the discussion?

Such nonsense. What you are saying is that I should bite my tongue because of possible negative connotations?

Yeah right.

And how many refugees are you taking in again?


Even regardless of possible terrorists, I think I am fully entitled to having reservations about this influx of refugees in my country in the first place.

Or is that not politically correct enough.


Are you always so extreme left?

a reply to: tony9802

ISIS left so weakened by airstrikes and desertion it could be destroyed in just HOURS

Here is the problem...

The same Analyst (Afzal Ashraf ) ONE YEAR AGO....

Viewpoint: Why Islamic State will not endure
www.bbc.com...

a reply to: RogueWave

Such nonsense. What you are saying is that I should bite my tongue because of possible negative connotations?

On the contrary, keep going! All you are doing is making your agenda explicit, and I, for one, find that very amusing.

a reply to: DJW001

Correct, it is not a legitimate concern. Most of the jihadists are already European citizens. They are not refugees.

This doesn't mean that more are not coming in unnoticed, at all.

Absolutely. You look foolish trying to deny it.

This is what you look like period.

What part of "Assad considers them traitors" did you not understand?

This is your opinion of Assad's supposed opinion. What does this have to do with me or the reality of the situation?

I agree you are singularly ineffective, but propagandists have been known to circulate rumors on the internet in the hopes of planting ideas in people's heads.

You know everything about that.

The "refugees may really be terrorists" meme is designed to increase European suspicion of the refugees, which in turn creates political pressure to turn them away.

Is designed? These are the sentiments of the people. Which party is designing them then? And who wins if these refugees are turned away?

This can cause suffering and death

US foreign policy causes suffering and death. For decades now.

What European country is that? Syria?

What makes you say that? We are talking about people fleeing from Syria to Europe. So what are you on about?

FEAR THEM! TURN THEM AWAY! LET THEM DIE!

And how many of these refugees is the US of A, the main cause of the problem, taking in?

I didn't say you did. Your words were designed to create the impression that some of them may be, and that that is a "serious concern." Let me make your message about refugees explicit for you:

So you are not insinuating that i am insinuating that they are all terrorists. seems what you accuse me off boils down to the same thing.

And I can't believe you consistently refuse to walk away when you fail.

I didn't see any failing on my part.

a reply to: DJW001

On the contrary, keep going! All you are doing is making your agenda explicit, and I, for one, find that very amusing.

I think it is cute that you actually think you are creating or representing some sort of consensus here. As if people thinking for themselves are taking you seriously.

a reply to: DJW001

Yes I saw that last night..what a shame, I think there might even be a thread on it? off to the salt mines for me or I would find it.

originally posted by: RogueWave
a reply to: DJW001

On the contrary, keep going! All you are doing is making your agenda explicit, and I, for one, find that very amusing.

I think it is cute that you actually think you are creating or representing some sort of consensus here. As if people thinking for themselves are taking you seriously.

Propaganda is sometimes accepted by those who refuse to think, those who do not question what they are told. Propaganda is also a way of getting ones point accross in order to push an agenda.

To be honest many people take things at face value these days and believe it partly because they want to and perhaps because they are ignorant about a subject.

As to this war ending soon, I doubt that, ISIL isnt weakened until the host countries that are spawning these terrorists stops sending them into Syria to jihad against the Assad government. After the surrounding countries stop sending in the terrorists only then will the war stop.

Question is what would it take to get these countries to stop sending terrorists into Syria? Are we looking at regime change in multiple middle eastern countries?

originally posted by: whyamIhere

originally posted by: Macenroe82
They should just pull the troops out and drop a nuke. Not only will that get any stragglers, but will also exterminate any others thinking that joining these isis slobs is a good idea

A Nuke ?

That is the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.

Worked in WWII shut them down real fast... besides if they have all those virgins waiting on em, shouldn't we get em laid?

originally posted by: Macenroe82
They should just pull the troops out and drop a nuke. Not only will that get any stragglers, but will also exterminate any others thinking that joining these isis slobs is a good idea

Yea, we should genocide all middle easterners!
People make me sick.

a reply to: TheJourney

Yes makes you wonder who gave that post + stars.

Also makes you wonder why people like DJW000 who are supposedly so concerned about the suffering of people from that region, didn't attack that post yet are hounding me for pointing out legitimate concerns of European citizens.

a reply to: tony9802

Kill a thousand cockroaches, a thousand more replace them. These Islamic's are just like cockroaches, they even breed like them. This is just the equivalent of a roach motel catching a lot of roaches and being tossed into the garbage. Only tragic to the Extremists.

originally posted by: sycomix

originally posted by: whyamIhere

originally posted by: Macenroe82
They should just pull the troops out and drop a nuke. Not only will that get any stragglers, but will also exterminate any others thinking that joining these isis slobs is a good idea

A Nuke ?

That is the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.

Worked in WWII shut them down real fast... besides if they have all those virgins waiting on em, shouldn't we get em laid?

"besides if they have all those virgins waiting on em, shouldn't we get em laid"?

This can attest to the stupidity of these Islamic Extremists. Why the hell would you want 70 virgins when you die? You can't have sex with them, because sex is a carnal (flesh) desire. So, you blow yourself up, die and end up with 70 nagging women, who you can't even have sex with....sounds like HELL to me.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: spy66

So, because the media says that ISIS is hiding among the refugees, that means that it is true? The way you just said that post worries me.

It have already being hinted at in the media that IS have been hiding amongst them.

Especially that sentence. That tells me that many people are going to jump on the "refugees are terrorists" bandwagon AWFULLY easy over hearsay and rumors.

It doesn't matter if it is true or not. They can be used as an excuse if terror hit europe.

originally posted by: RogueWave
Are you someone important?

Yes, hypocrisy. If these refugess were at your borders there would be widespread concern within your country that terrorists are among them.

Whoa now! You accused me of being hypocritical, not the whole country. Don't move the goal posts there with your accusations.

What? I was talking about the hypothetical situation in which these refugees were not entering Europe, but your country.

Look, don't pretend like this situation is unique to yourselves. America has had plenty of waves of immigration that we've tried to label as terrorists or criminals. Plus, we ARE as a country discussing bringing some of those refugees here (which I don't have a problem with).

Such nonsense. What you are saying is that I should bite my tongue because of possible negative connotations?

Yeah right.

Actually, I'm trying to have a civil conversation with you. I apologized about jumping to conclusions, yet you are insisting on being confrontational to me. By the way, I asked you those questions to get you to elaborate on things. If I wanted you to bite your tongue, I wouldn't be asking you follow up questions about your opinion, mate.

And how many refugees are you taking in again?

The US is discussing taking in something around 100,000 refugees.

Even regardless of possible terrorists, I think I am fully entitled to having reservations about this influx of refugees in my country in the first place.

Or is that not politically correct enough.

Where did I say you weren't entitled to have those reservations? I didn't realize the disagreeing with someone on the internet was being authoritarian...

Are you always so extreme left?

I dunno, are you always so confrontational and hyperbolic to people for no reason?

a reply to: tony9802

Well. now that Russia is heavily involved other countries can no longer fund ISIS to destabilize the middle east...