What this woman says sends a chill down my bone

a reply to: Bluesma

Do their parents get those same holidays off so the kids are not without caretakers at home? And is it paid, so they don't suffer a financial loss because of their religion?

Sadly, no in most cases. Some companies are more family-friendly than others, but most would not dream of giving two weeks of paid time off for religious holidays during the busiest time of the year. I worked in pediatric trauma and during the holidays, I had to pay about $180 per week for childcare because we were not permitted to take time off during the months of December and January unless it was an emergency, and I was a single mother so I had no one else to help me. Retail companies are the same. And no one gets paid anything extra to offset those costs. At one hospital I worked at, we were not even given extra pay for working on the holidays because hospitals are open all day, every day, and most do not recognize holidays as anything other than just another day.

ETA: I should also add that most states in this country have something called "At Will Employment" laws. Basically, it means that your employer can terminate you without notice and without explanation any time they choose, and cannot be held liable for it. It also means that you can quit your job without notice or explanation and you cannot be penalized by being placed on a future "do not rehire" list or by getting a negative job reference from the company when other prospective employers contact them for referral, which is an unfair and piss-poor tradeoff.

This is a very bad thing, because unless the company has broken a law that supersedes the "At Will" law, or violated the employee's civil rights in some way, people can find themselves unemployed at the drop of a hat. As a result, people have become fearful of challenging policies, etc. because they are cowed by the idea of losing a job that they badly need. And that is 100% the fault of our government and its lackadaisical attitude toward the people of this country.

a reply to: boymonkey74

In Marseille, in 2009, the Muslim population of Marseille was at 35%. It has grown since and continues to. France has the highest population of Muslims in Western Europe, concentrated in Paris and Marseille.

Depending upon where you live, the local politics can reflect the choices of the muslim majority already.

By the way, my first exposure to the dangers of democracy (which I had never considered before) was actually from an arab muslim friend. Who posed it to me as an illustration of our ironic stupidity. His assertion is that this a common joke between them - that there is a conscious awareness of using our own ideals against us, because we don't recognize our own achilles heel. In their minds (at least some, can't say anything about all muslims which will be legitimately accurate for all) this is the long term and quiet revolt against what they see as unfair racism and oppression. Having babies... a sort of Ghandi-type version of peaceful revolt. Make love, not war, LOL!

a reply to: FlySolo

The saying is "A chill down my spine", now if it is a chill down your bone that this woman gave you that is a whole other topic. However to avoid going off topic and or a deletion of this post I will say this on the topic:

The fact that any religious holiday has to be celebrated is in fact an admission to the acceptance of the religious teachings and perhaps the moral underpinnings of that religion.

However, the demanding of any religion to be celebrated at any given time is a form of oppression and I can see how the basis for an argument could have merit.

These holidays have become ingrained into the society over time and have become viewed as a part of the culture. The fact remains however that most forms of religion whether christian or otherwise are all imported ideology and have no real basis in the land that this argument is taking place upon. This fact holds true for all arguments of immigration as well.

a reply to: FlySolo

Yeah, they will be the 'Majority' in that Town because they have 6 kids each..

originally posted by: FlySolo
Yeah, i'm not going to type what she said, you listen for yourself. It's a news report about muslims getting angry at the school board for not making a last minute change to the holidays to include one for them. Then a woman says something so ominous I got a sick feeling in my gut. You will too.

eta: I have to say what it is, too many are missing it. At 35 seconds a woman says "We are not the minority here by the turn out, and soon we will all be the majority"

This country is ran by a minority. They're called The Rich. Anyone that thinks a Muslim is going to screw any plans for White Rich Men is delusional.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: FlySolo

Yeah, they will be the 'Majority' in that Town because they have 6 kids each..

Rubbish. The average muslim fertlity rate in North America is approx 2.6 and falling.

www.pewresearch.org...

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: FlySolo

Which bone is that? You have 206 of them.

eta: I have to say what it is, too many are missing it. At 35 seconds a woman says "We are not the minority here by the turn out, and soon we will all be the majority"

That is most certainly not what she said. What she actually said was,"We're no longer the minority. That's clear from tonight. We're gonna be the majority soon." And she was referring to the different ethnic groups that attended the meeting. Why is that even remotely chill-inducing? It is always a good idea to refrain from misquoting someone, because it tends to alter the original message and make it into something that it is not.

I agree that they should not demand such a schedule change with such short notice. However, they are American citizens and as such, have every right to petition their local school boards just like everyone else. I feel that the concession being made by assuring that missed school days due to religious reasons will not be counted against the students is fair, albeit not a new concession. They don't give specific religious holidays to anyone, but they are prohibited by law from penalizing a student for missing school for religious reasons, and that has been in effect for a very long time.

I can understand why they are thinking that they are being singled out or discriminated against. Hyperbole such as your OP directly reflects that. It would have been helpful to have seen the meeting in its entirety so that we could get the whole picture instead of just one cherry-picked facet of it, but of course that would not serve the same purpose, would it?

They're talking about folks like you here:

a reply to: Flesh699

What you fail to understand is, the Rich get to do what they want in all the Middle Eastern countries anyway. As has always been and apparently will always be, the Rich everywhere are simply too wealthy to be bothered by laws of any kind.

a reply to: WhiteHat

How dare you say something like that? don't you know they have the right to use their religions in the US because we got freedom of religion that only works for those that are not Christians?

That is so racist, because it only targets a minority group? is ok when is a majority group to be racist?

Islam is a peaceful religion they are here because they are been persecuted for imposing their believes in their nations? I mean that is why they are coming to the US because their religion is to be imposed here? I don't get it? Who is persecuting who.

How dare you disrespect the imposing of their believes in Americas classrooms and society.

YES I am been very, very sarcastic

a reply to: Scouse100

No in Illinois where men are from Arab countries, still bring their many wives and have many children, to the point that they use vans to carry all of them around.

Yes while in America is illegal to have more than one women or man is still very much practiced, how they do it? well you don't have to show that you are marry to more than one.

Why is it you leave a place of your Origin because it is so bad.
Then come to some other country and try to make it JUST like your old country you had to leave?

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: FlySolo

Yeah, they will be the 'Majority' in that Town because they have 6 kids each..

Lucky US has tougher laws when it comes to welfare. In Canada, this families with 6 or more kids receive welfare for years. I used to live in a building where the majority of the tenants were muslims from Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places. Once a moth was worth sitting at the lobby and check the mail man dropping the mail. Over 300 brown envelopes from the government full with welfare cheques. No one works, make babies, stay home, including their husbands who work for cash while they milk the system. I'd be sitting right there, scratching my head and feeling pissed for my tax money that are going to support such lazy and sneaky people.

I brought this example not to derogate them but to show the side of the coin that some of the posters here either don't see it or just choose to ignore it. To answer to some previous comments, is not about the western society not letting them be part of, is of their choosing staying out and creating "enclaves", is their choosing to keep the same mentality as back home, is their choosing and also their mentality to be expansionists and refer to their religion with the biggest self righteous attitude ever. What Iman Sheikh Muhammad Ayed said few weeks back (www.youtube.com...) is their true mentality, how they see west and what kind of mindset they come with. The statement that this guy makes:

European countries were not rolling out the red carpet for migrants because they were compassionate, but because Europe was in dire need of a new source of labor...Europe has become old and decrepit and needs human reinforcement….they are not motivated by compassion for the Levant, its people and its refugees,” said Ayed, adding, “Soon, we will trample them underfoot, Allah willing.

- is the perfect example of how they want things to be and what's their attitude. They don't come here to assimilate into hosting countries societies, they come to milk the system, take advantage of the western democracies, create their own communities and once they feel strong enough (like in various cities in England) they start slowly but confidently in asking for people to not dress to provocative while walking in their neighborhoods , close down factories that process pork because it offends them, ask to wear their hijabs and burqas everywhere, ask for people to shut their mouth when talking about their religion, go on protest yelling for the death of the police forces in the country they actually live in, go on rampage and hysterical behavior when their prophet is "offended", ask for the implementation of the Sharia Law by creating Sharia Law governed zones like in England, Germany, Denmark, Canada etc...

I mean all this sort of things that are totally against our values in the west. We're not raised to be like that, doors were open to help this people, efforts were made to make them be part of the society, huge amount of money was pored into the system so they can be comfortable and call home the new countries they emigrate to and yet, this people chose to stay withing their own communities and not be part of anything other than their tribal mentality. And we're not talking about people who just came to our countries or been here for few years. We're talking about for first and second generation, people who are born here and still have not absorbed the slightest or assimilated into the hosting culture at all. (by their own choosing)

So by looking at all this I cannot disagree with what the OP says. Do I see what he sees? Yes I do. I cannot ignore the tone of her voice and the smirk in her face. Because when I see it, I can hear what the above Sheikh said, or what Anjem Choudary has said or what many and many more of this people said and say on the daily basis. Some members take offense on this type of reasoning and with their good harts want to see a reality that cannot be colored the way they want because unfortunately sometimes is just black and white. Plain and simple. We want to be multicultural while the concept has shown to be widely a failure. The mentality that has been imposed on European countries and somehow also in North America is not successful because is not based on reality. Is a social experiment that has authors who are responsible for the biggest mistake made in human history. And because of the heavy weight of their mistake, they don't have the courage to admit it and apologize to the people for trying to force them to accept something only because it is deemed politically correct but without a single basis in reality.

I just hope I'm wrong and things aren't that gloomy. But IMO we're past the point where coexistence can bee seen as the best solution. West and near/middle east have a huge division in mentality, values and will. I don't see how I can feel ok coexisting with people who come to my country, the same country who opens its doors with such altruism and they consider it as the next battle ground where they soon with the will of their Allah will trample underfoot its inhabitants.

originally posted by: Justaposter
Allowing the excused absence seems reasonable to me.

You know back in the stone age (80's) lots of kids were able to take off for holy days. And it was never an issue. Just bring in a note. Easy peasy.

What I want to know, why wasn't Jewish holidays addressed?

To be honest the school system as a whole here in the UK is almost unrecognisable to people like me who are in their 50's, there's holidays almost every few weeks, the teaching method of say maths where the children are taught to solve problems in a line ie 123 + 23 = rather than the old hundreds tens and units above and below method that I knew are made confusing by doing one way in one school and then back to normal at secondary school. And getting back to topic, the vast importation of non English language kids mean classes are much larger, less personal time with a teacher and delays in teaching the English speaking kids.

In area's of the UK there are almost zero British born children where the majority are from Muslim countries and as seen in the video they are the first to demand every thing, one of the worst are the Somali Muslims which is a bit of a contradiction if you actually watch many Somali's, they rarely do anything from the religion.

But sadly yes, with the way our borders are being destroyed soon and much sooner than we expected they will indeed be the majority because of breeding numbers and uncontrolled immigration.

Lastly, it was a good question as to why the Jewish holidays were not discussed, one reason is that like Sikhs etc the Jews do not demand holidays, they all love their religion but do not PUSH it on to others like these newer Muslims do, especially those just here from incredibly radicalised countries. The other answer is because our politicians and system heads almost fear dealing with Muslims and not giving them what they demand, add into that the liberal fools who kiss the backside of these people to the point they would remove our cultures in favour of these people and you get why the Jewish issue was not raised.

Slowly but surely Radical Islams violent mob rule mentality will get its foot hold that it seeks unless we the Non Radicals of all faiths and colours fight back. This is an invasion, a slow but sure one, there's people like the one in the video all over the place now, demanding, criticising, threatening and clearly saying that WE are going to lose and it will be their land.

Just a few lunatics we were told by our government 10 years ago, now its out is face view on our high streets with people showing clear support for IS and DEMANDING shariah law...

Just a few lunatics.......Yeah right...The only lunatics were those in charge...

Islam war may bring about the prophecies spoken about in the bible.They only love themselves and their religion.Once they become majority they will demand their fake freedom they want.
They basically use our laws agaisnt us in the U.S. or anywhere else around the globe in some way or another even if it seems peaceful.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Scouse100

No in Illinois where men are from Arab countries, still bring their many wives and have many children, to the point that they use vans to carry all of them around.

Yes while in America is illegal to have more than one women or man is still very much practiced, how they do it? well you don't have to show that you are marry to more than one.

I don't understand what having more than one wife has to do with it (whether that's true or not). Are you refuting the average fertility rate of 2.6 for muslim women in North America?

The arrogance on in their body language tells it all.They will not stop until they acheive their goal.

She can scream all she wants. The last census in Jersey City had Middle Easterners in single digits population-wise and with the influx of hippsters from Brooklyn, New Jersey and even Manhattan the likelihood that they will ever become the majority is rather slim.

Additionally, she is a tool since Jersey City allows ALL parents and children one floating holiday for religious purposes.

What I am against, are these new anti-Christian sentiments being brought on by liberal media, while propping up Muslims.

Interesting isn't it? We have lived rather peacefully since our civil war, with our religions, mainly Christianity and Judaism, without religious clashes. None, really. We haven't talked about it that much, everyone just sort of went their own way on 'go-to-meetings" day. Everybody accepts everybody.

But now since other varieties are insisting on 'my way or the highway', you can't mention that particular fact without a sudden comparison to Christianity. Negative, of course. And greatly exaggerated, always. It is already causing us to argue and rise up against each other for religious beliefs. Something we've never done.

I think we should be very cautious about not letting that happen.

I think we should respond to the Muslims the same way they would respond to me if I went to school in there country and started demanding everyone to be off Christmas and thanksgiving. If we took off school for every religion's holidays there wouldn't be much time for school. That's why I believe if u go to another country you respect the days they take off and if u don't like it then go back the the country that does. If it's so horrible here then leave. Don't expect someone to respect your religion in there country if your not gonna there religion in your own country. How many of those Muslims in that meeting hall would vote to have Christmas off in there country if I was over there fighting for it in schools? The answer is none so don't expect me to have your back here.

Invasions, invasions everywhere...