MASS SHOOTING reported at Oregon college campus 15 dead atleast MANY MORE INJURED

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Indigo5

Do you think if he was the owners would delete his account and posts? .

Would they know who he even is?

Each account has an IP and Email associated with it. If his email is associated with an ATS account...

Otherwise the FBI digs into his PC and digital history and if they find him on ATS they ask ATS for data..

Again, this happened a few years back (The site owner explained they had turned over evidence to the FBI) and I think more than once. A mod can weigh in, but these folks find their way to ATS just like a lot of other folks.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: crazyewok

Just lookin' out for you, old chap.
Have at it.

I wonder if the young angry men in the UK joining ISIS have any similarities to the young angry men shooting up US schools?
Both are about young men living comfortable western lifes styles abandoning that life, tnere friends and family to spread hatred and violence. There outward motives may be diffrent but the core mind set looks very similar.

I wonder if what you ask may be similar to how angry young men used to run off to join the French Foreign Legion.
Adventure, opportunity, fame and fortune, where they feel their own societies had let them down.

You may very well be right.

There is a very common theme. Once you leave there race and religion out its the same theme?

Young men from what seem like normal family's abandoning everything and everyone to go on a quest of violence.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: BlackboxInquiry

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: starfoxxx
www.cnn.com...

PRELIMINARY REPORTS OF 10 KILLED, 20 INJURED IN SHOOTING AT COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN OREGON, STATE POLICE SPOKESMAN SAYS.

Preliminary information indicates 10 people were killed and more than 20 others injured in a shooting at Oregon's Umpqua Community College on Thursday, said Oregon State Police spokesman Bill Fugate.

The reports suggest that the shooter has been detained, he said.

Earlier, authorities told CNN they were responding to reports of an active shooter at the Roseburg college campus.

Another MASS school shooting this is a big one folks..

More news just coming in now
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UPDATE UP TO 15 DEAD
ktla.com...

At least 15 people were reportedly killed after an active shooter was spotted at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College.

Preliminary information indicated 10 people were killed and more than 20 were injured, Oregon State Police spokesman Bill Fugate told CNN.

TV station KATU later reported 15 people were killed, according to state police.

Wow...that is a lot of people. What is it about schools that attracts these maniacs? I just don't get it. Are they THAT wrapped up in what is going on at school?

Messed up....RIP to all those souls.

Honestly, I believe it's because they are gun free zones. Those who would commit crimes, small ones, or the heinous like this person did, prefer little if any resistance.

I may remind that most schools I've come across are *gun-free zones*. I need say no more.

You cant put guns everywhere.

Ok you arm teachers.

Then these nuts will shoot up hospitals or local malls.

More guns just masks the underlying issue the USA has.

You need to actually find out what is at the core of the USA mass shooting problem.

Other countrys in the world have guns but dont have this problem like Switzerland so why the US?

This is honestly something the US needs to start a very thorough investigation on.

Switzerland has most homes are *required* to have military service and a weapon at the house. They also have a training day yearly where their citizens "practice/train up" and get a better feel and respect for their weapons.

The U.S. doesn't treat things the way Switzerland does, in regards to crime and punishment either. Their citizens are probably some of the most respectful in the world. An armed society, is a polite one.

Taking guns away helps nobody but those who would commit crimes...

Can't trust the Gov't to do it - the f-up everything they touch....

a reply to: BlackboxInquiry

Thats not really what I was getting at.
My point was it would just be a band aid.


Im asking WHY.

Why do these young men do what they do?

Thats what needs to be found out.

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: vor78

How many more lives do you wish to see lost just so you can keep your damn guns?

10?
20?
50?
100?
More?????

OK Straight up...

I am for stringent and strict gun regulations..

I am also for the unalienable right for Americans to "Keep their damn guns".

So your question as an either/or is part of the issue in this debate is part of the problem IMO...no middle ground offered.

The NRA speaks in extremist terms...because they can't defend the rational center of the discussion.

Thus is it is "They are coming for YOUR guns"...vs. they would like to figure out a system that doesn't afford sociopathic eff-tards to amass a small armory on a whim.

This kid had full gear...vests etc. and 13 and counting guns...that he purchased "legally" as far as we know.

If a 22 year old odd loner kid decides to buy 13 guns and bullet proof vest...can we figure out a system where someone asks him a few questions?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: crazyewok

Just lookin' out for you, old chap.
Have at it.

I wonder if the young angry men in the UK joining ISIS have any similarities to the young angry men shooting up US schools?
Both are about young men living comfortable western lifes styles abandoning that life, tnere friends and family to spread hatred and violence. There outward motives may be diffrent but the core mind set looks very similar.

I wonder if what you ask may be similar to how angry young men used to run off to join the French Foreign Legion.
Adventure, opportunity, fame and fortune, where they feel their own societies had let them down.

You may very well be right.

There is a very common theme. Once you leave there race and religion out its the same theme?

Young men from what seem like normal family's abandoning everything and everyone to go on a quest of violence.

Solving THIS problem...as well as the problem of angry young men joining ISIS from both sides of the Atlantic...may be as simple and blatantly obvious as actually bringing back opportunity and prosperity to our economies.

originally posted by: vor78
a reply to: Power_Semi

You see, your problem is that you're not paying attention. The earlier poster was blaming ALL LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS for violent crime and gun-related homicides because they supported their own rights to their own property rather than his views of gun control. My point was that a law-abiding gun owner isn't any more responsible for the acts of some nut job than he was responsible for a drunk having a fatal car accident or even in the case of pure accidents.

How would you feel about leaving unlocked cars with the keys in the ignition outside of bars? Because that's the only way your ridiculous analogy makes any sense.

I guess Canadians are just smarter than Americans. Actually make that most of the developed world. Oh well, we can tweet about our "freedom" from our bunkers while our streets become war zones

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: crazyewok

Just lookin' out for you, old chap.
Have at it.

I wonder if the young angry men in the UK joining ISIS have any similarities to the young angry men shooting up US schools?
Both are about young men living comfortable western lifes styles abandoning that life, tnere friends and family to spread hatred and violence. There outward motives may be diffrent but the core mind set looks very similar.

I wonder if what you ask may be similar to how angry young men used to run off to join the French Foreign Legion.
Adventure, opportunity, fame and fortune, where they feel their own societies had let them down.

You may very well be right.

There is a very common theme. Once you leave there race and religion out its the same theme?

Young men from what seem like normal family's abandoning everything and everyone to go on a quest of violence.

Solving THIS problem...as well as the problem of angry young men joining ISIS from both sides of the Atlantic...may be as simple and blatantly obvious as actually bringing back opportunity and prosperity to our economies.

Your likely right.

Good stable careers and positive futures for all levels of skills is likely to at least improve the situation.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: crazyewok

Just lookin' out for you, old chap.
Have at it.

I wonder if the young angry men in the UK joining ISIS have any similarities to the young angry men shooting up US schools?
Both are about young men living comfortable western lifes styles abandoning that life, tnere friends and family to spread hatred and violence. There outward motives may be diffrent but the core mind set looks very similar.

I wonder if what you ask may be similar to how angry young men used to run off to join the French Foreign Legion.
Adventure, opportunity, fame and fortune, where they feel their own societies had let them down.

You may very well be right.

There is a very common theme. Once you leave there race and religion out its the same theme?

Young men from what seem like normal family's abandoning everything and everyone to go on a quest of violence.

Solving THIS problem...as well as the problem of angry young men joining ISIS from both sides of the Atlantic...may be as simple and blatantly obvious as actually bringing back opportunity and prosperity to our economies.

Wow...we might agree on something...ISIS is not a religious issue...you could swap out any widespread religion...It's about hardship and sociopaths...

Those joining ISIS due it for the rape and pillaging appeal...folks otherwise isolated or oppressed with a sociopathic disposition.

Before I go further through this post(read page1&2) I'm gonna say where I stand regarding this whole situation in the good ole us of a...you guys need to get rid of your weapons!!
Simple really
You allow guns in a country pushing over 275million peeps and you find yourselves with a lot of armed nutters, people with mental illness should not find it as easy to get weapons as they do in your country.

In the uk it is very difficult to get a licence for a dangerous weapon so general nutters on the street can not get a gun that easy, if you have contacts into the criminal world then I'm sure you can get a gun with cash but British psychos can not get a gun from a shop or store like they can in your world

I feel for your innocent victims past present and future who agree with me, but because of the stubborn nature of the rest of you this problem will continue and only get worse...

Absolutely no logic to you all demanding gun freedom when this chit happens way to often, control your weapon dealing and this will stop as we see it today, not saying no more shootings just saying a hell of a lot less...a hell of a lot less sounds a better option to me and logical

Wake up guys and stop the slaughter!

You demand gun freedom then accept the consequences ... Harsh but true!


Just to add...I don't want a total ban on guns just a very stringent control, including not arming every police officer ...as most don't have the mental capacity to be in charge of one

a reply to: zerozero00

And what are we to do with those who don't care about law?
Jail more than we have now?
ALLOW ourselves(AND YOU) to be wide open to invasion or the next Stalin to show up here?
YOU can handle YOUR legislation for all based on criminals and your fear of them WE have bigger issues we have to deal with.
HOW OFTEN will I have to keep telling you people in ENGLAND this anyway?

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: BlackboxInquiry

Thats not really what I was getting at.
My point was it would just be a band aid.


Im asking WHY.

Why do these young men do what they do?

Thats what needs to be found out.

I'd say it's a mix of a tear in the fabric of society that has to do with responsibility and respect. Also, there's a travesty going on with people who need treated for mental illness - they're basically medicated/sedated and released.

Violence of any kind, not just on this scale are done by both sexes and knows no bounds by way of race, creed, religion, orientation, etc. Only the most heinous are reported by the news, while others are buried deep by the media.

I'm sure there are far more facets to this - but there's my two cents on it.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: zerozero00

And what are we to do with those who don't care about law?
Jail more than we have now?
ALLOW ourselves(AND YOU) to be wide open to invasion or the next Stalin to show up here?
YOU can handle YOUR legislation for all based on criminals and your fear of them WE have bigger issues we haveto deal with.
HOW OFTEN wil I have to keep tell you people in ENGLAND this anyway?

Ok, for a start you will have a hell of a lot less people in prison as gun crime would be dramatically reduced as it would be very difficult and almost impossible for crazies to do the crimes they have done that has filled up your prisons in the 1st place...if that makes sense
We don't fear criminals in the uk as they aren't armed generally ...like I said, extreme cases guns are involved but not the norm like your way
Also, you sound like a person I wouldn't want to see armed as I see paranoia...in the uk you wouldn't be able to get a gun as you need to prove you are an extremely safe and trustworthy person...just saying


Btw, I don't care for the law...I don't hurt no one I rob no one but I don't fear for my life in any way whatsoever!!!... Something you'll never understand until you change your ways

a reply to: zerozero00

WELLLL that is wrong...most are there for drugs.
If I wanted an SLR nope. I COULD not.
We aren't afraid either WE have guns and know how to use them.

a reply to: zerozero00

If they are "dangerous psychos" they can't get a gun from a shop or store. Their history of dangerous psychoticness would be in the background check required at every legal sale.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: zerozero00

And what are we to do with those who don't care about law?
Jail more than we have now?
ALLOW ourselves(AND YOU) to be wide open to invasion or the next Stalin to show up here?
YOU can handle YOUR legislation for all based on criminals and your fear of them WE have bigger issues we have to deal with.
HOW OFTEN will I have to keep telling you people in ENGLAND this anyway?

We really dont fear criminals here in the UK.

Its really not much different from the USA.

We just have diffrent social problems.

a reply to: zerozero00

If they are dangerous psychotics, they would simply commit their dangerous psychotic acts with other tools of violence.

Check out the crime stats, just because you don't have ready legal access to guns in the UK doesn't mean you actually have less crime or less violent crime. So clearly, it doesn't stop the dangerous psychotics from acting out. So if you have less of them in your prisons for some reason, then that means they carry out their crimes and either don't get caught or simply aren't incarcerated for their crimes. What a wonderful thought.

a reply to: crazyewok

I know, but we have SO MANY more due to a larger population that those who ask us to be more like them ,fail to take into consideration.