MASS SHOOTING reported at Oregon college campus 15 dead atleast MANY MORE INJURED

a reply to: Power_Semi

You see, your problem is that you're not paying attention. The earlier poster was blaming ALL LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS for violent crime and gun-related homicides because they supported their own rights to their own property rather than his views of gun control. My point was that a law-abiding gun owner isn't any more responsible for the acts of some nut job than he was responsible for a drunk having a fatal car accident or even in the case of pure accidents.

AND HERE IS their hand NOW TURNING as we have supected ALL ALONG... www.justice.gov...

NOTHING is going to happen what is the debate here...NOTHING is going to happen because the GOP are in the control of the NRA and other reactionary powers and amazingly due to the stupidity of the American public in control of congress.


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a reply to: Kryties

The fact that you keep suggesting I know "very little" about the subject shows how much you've bought into the propaganda.

Just because there hasn't been another mass shooting doesn't mean the laws were effective at reducing crime. It's not as though there was an epidemic of mass shootings in AUS before the passage of the laws.

A lot of folks in the UK and Australia like to focus on a single aspect of the problem (mass shootings) and declare victory while ignoring the rest.

The US had an Assault Weapons Ban for 10 years and it had no effect on murder rates or mass shootings. The murder rate has been in a gradual decline for around 25 years, even without a ban on "assault weapons" so your arguments hold no water.

originally posted by: Willtell
NOTHING is going to happen what is the debate here...NOTHING is going to happen because the GOP are in the control of the NRA and other reactionary powers and amazingly due to the stupidity of the American public in control of congress.


There be another one soon maybe next week and another one and another one and another one and another one
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Dramatic, much?

originally posted by: Power_Semi
It's impossible to answer a statement like this, you are so detached from reality over there.

You come to a conspiracy forum and talk about how the media, governement etc are trying to manipulate your thoughts and actions, and yet are incapable of seeing how your response is exactly this.

Who are you protecting your family from, and how?

What do you think is suddenly going to happen if you don't have a gun? Is the world going to end?

When have you ever needed to draw your gun to protect your family?

Never - it's like trying to argue rationally with a crazy person.

You say "detached from reality" but really the reality is different here. No need to be insulting because you fail to have an understanding of it.

Actually I don't come here to talk about how they are trying to manipulate my thoughts and actions. While I don't doubt that there is some truth to that - there are people in media, government, etc. who have those agendas, I don't believe it to be the case with every one or every situation.

In further response:

Who are you protecting your family from, and how? **the criminals in the moderate-crime area I live in who seem to have a propensity for breaking and entering and home invasions. I used a layered security method. I do my best to ensure everything is locked and have some areas re-enforced, I have cameras, I have an alarm system, external lights and try to make sure nothing expensive is visible from the outside or via the trash. Finely, I have an assortment of weapons available, but melee and firearms. I'm not as capable as I used to be for melee combat though. And average police response time is 9 minutes. When seconds count...**

What do you think is suddenly going to happen if you don't have a gun? Is the world going to end? **No, the world certainly won't end. However, should it end, I'll at least be relatively prepared to briefly hold out and then retreat to an outside-of-the-city safer area. Barring that, I hope that me and mine are at ground-zero and not have to eck out a post-apocalyptic life because the gods know, I am too old and tired to have to run from zombies and scavengers. I lived most of my life without having a gun, but its' not the same world it used to be, it pays to be smart, prepared and cautious. You're a bit over the top with this question, so I went that way with my answer too.**

When have you ever needed to draw your gun to protect your family? **I haven't yet, but in my younger and more capable years I did draw a sword on an intruder to get them to leave my apartment. He was a very big man and I am not, I don't believe he would have left if I hadn't been armed. FYI, I know a person who has had to draw a gun to protect his family from an active home invasion. I was there the night it happened. I'm not sure what your point is here, just because I haven't had to do something, doesn't mean I won't have to in the future. The world is filled with uncertainty.**

So while 'never' may apply to your life and situations, it hasn't always applied to mine and I sincerely hope it NEVER applies to mine again. I do my best to make sure me and mine are not seen as vulnerable targets and fly under the radar - but that certainly is never guaranteed. So if the SHTF, I was the best possible odds in my favor, not the ones who are doing the misdeeds.

But you're right - you can't argue with crazy people. In an insane world though, I believe there is quite the sliding definition as to what defines a crazy person.

I hope you had as much fun as I did with this post

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: Willtell
NOTHING is going to happen what is the debate here...NOTHING is going to happen because the GOP are in the control of the NRA and other reactionary powers and amazingly due to the stupidity of the American public in control of congress.


There be another one soon maybe next week and another one and another one and another one and another one
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Dramatic, much?

...but its the truth

originally posted by: vor78

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: vor78

Further, as you also correctly point out, there's that pesky problem of confiscating 300+ million firearms.

INCORRECTLY pointed out, you forgot that

Don't forget, nobody wants to take ALL the guns, just the assault ones that have no other purpose than to kill large numbers of other humans. You may wish to stop pretending that people want to take all 300 million guns away as this is FAR from the truth.

you're advocating Australia style laws, so basically no semi-automatic handguns or rifles.

Not true. Its still possible to purchase both semi-auto hand guns and rifles within Australia.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: vor78

In your case, you're advocating Australia style laws, so basically no semi-automatic handguns or rifles. So instead of 300 million, you're down to about 100-150 million. Its still the same thing. You're going to have to go door-to-door confiscating firearms. That's not going to go well.

Actually there was no door-to-door here either, instead a gun amnesty was introduced which gave everyone a certain amount of time to hand in their illegal guns and register the legal ones. The govt here crushed millions of guns into scrap. After the amnesty period was over, if you were caught with an illegal gun they literally threw the book at you.

Result? No mass murders in the country since the laws began. None at all. Zip. Zero. Zilch.

You're right, there was no door-to-door confiscation in Australia. It would be an absolute necessity here in the US if you wanted it to be anything other than a feel-good bandaid. Just look at the situation in NY and Connecticut. Even the state governments admit hundreds of thousands didn't register their weapons...and those states aren't exactly known for their pro-gun populations. How do you think that's going to go in Texas, Alabama, Wyoming, etc? Not well.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: trusername

Ok. So it's just sort of a loose theory that these events also effect the stock market. Or perhaps that these events are staged or because of the time difference or whatever, some information difference, that it's used as a way to manipulate stock prices???

Something like that???

I thought there was a specific reason or something. Because I've heard other people say stuff like that. Like such and such event happened and look at what happened with the market.

I don't know enough about how the market works and thought there was some known factual reason why certain events like this make the market react or something. I guess I'm not understanding the whole idea or something.

Well one possible idea would be that TPTB knew that there was going to be an event that would create volatility in the markets - desirable the comfort zone and as soon as it happened as usual there was a sell off and a lot of buying going one. The stock market is all about sell high, buy low. Panic is about sell low buy high. Volatility is a measure of panic. I'm not saying this is causation, just showing correlation and there are a lot of potential PTB some may simply be profiting from a little advanced notice or a cool head and not involved in any other way. At any rate the market pivoted at the time of the shooting and it didn't go down. It went up 230 points intraday.

It was just worth noticing is all. Maybe it's just another random coincidence.

As yet I don't think anybody has mentioned the common trait amongst these mass shoters--they're almost exclusively males.
time.com - Why Mass Killers Are Always Male...

check - We can't get rid of guns--this is the US
check - Current mental illness treatment isn't stopping it
check - The shootings seem to happen everywhere
*crickets* - Almost all of the mass shooters are male
etc...

It's not much time before they come for the males.

a reply to: Willtell

WELL you seem a bit ...MANIC.
YOU aren't on SSRIs are you?

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: queenofswords

You must seriously have 0% of a clue about Canada..we are more free than any U.S. citizen at this point other than the gun thing..you can have em..how's it working for y'all?.

....."at this point". You may be right, come to think of it.

America has more than ten times the number of diverse people than Canada. We have a massive illegal immigrant population. Every culture on the planet but one is represented somewhere here in the USA.

We struggle to accommodate the enormous bloated multi-cultural multi-philosophical multi-religious multi-ethnic population that has inundated the American culture and is working to change our way of freedom. They are succeeding in many ways because we have politicians that see everybody as a voting block that must be pandered to.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Technically yes. But under what circumstances? As a practical matter, they're very, very difficult to obtain.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: yuppa

And honestly the laws in autralia did not work totatally. Criminals are getting them still.

And when was the last mass murder in Australia? Oh yeah, thats right, just BEFORE the laws were introduced over 20 years ago - and NONE since.

I think the laws worked perfectly.

You ask how many have to die before id give up my right to have one? To the very last. Alot of people feel this way.

You may be OK to die, as might your fellow gun nutters, but what makes you think you can speak for all the innocent people shot to pieces while you hug your precious guns?

Never said I do speak for them. But most americans dont appreciate someone telling them having a gun is evil. You blame the wrong thing here. Can you honestly say a Gun had shot someone by itself?

And everyone knows that killing in australia was a false flag to cut off gun ownership before it got as high as the US.
Also you die when you are going to die. Nothing will prevent it. it was their time to die apparently.

Also the amount of fully automatic weapons in civilian hands is very very low and they are all licensed and regulated(unless they are obtained by criminals) Dont buy into the belief that all these are machine guns. there is a slight delay in each trigger pull of a Semi automatic. No delay in a fully auto one except the first pull.

Im not a Gun nut as you put it. I dont own a gun myself anymore. But il defend the 2nd and the rest of the constitution to th e very last person left alive in america.

ATTENTION!!!!!!

This is not a thread ti discuss the second amendment, or bicker with other members.
Please limit the discussion to the topic....which is the Oregon shooting.
This is not the first staff attempt to ask the thread stay on topic...You are responsible for your own posts.



and, as always:

Do NOT reply to this post!!

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: Willtell
NOTHING is going to happen what is the debate here...NOTHING is going to happen because the GOP are in the control of the NRA and other reactionary powers and amazingly due to the stupidity of the American public in control of congress.


There be another one soon maybe next week and another one and another one and another one and another one
and another one and another one and another one and another one
and another one and another one and another one and another one
and another one and another one and another one and another one
and another one and another one and another one and another one
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and another one and and another one and another one and another one and another onether one and another one and another oneand another one and another one and another one and another one

Dramatic, much?

...but its the truth

Do you honestly think that the fight against gun control is just some GOP establishment conspiracy involving the NRA?

If that's what you believe, you have no clue how many politically-active gun owners there are in the country. The gun owners who call, write, and email their representatives VASTLY outnumber the anti-gun folks who call theirs. It's that simple.

By comparison, there is only a handful of people who feel strongly enough about gun control to actually fight for it.

originally posted by: Answer
a reply to: Kryties

The fact that you keep suggesting I know "very little" about the subject shows how much you've bought into the propaganda.

Mate, I LIVE HERE. I think I would know.

And you clearly DON'T know much about the subject as you have already made false statements such as: It worked in some countries but we've seen what happens when they take the "assault ones" and realize that it didn't stop the shootings.

Just because there hasn't been another mass shooting doesn't mean the laws were effective at reducing crime.

Are you kidding me? PLEASE say you're kidding because if you aren't then this thread just took on a whole new level of ridiculous.

No mass shootings in Australia means NO MASS SHOOTINGS. Full stop. That means the crime was more than just reduced, it was eradicated entirely.

It's not as though there was an epidemic of mass shootings in AUS before the passage of the laws.

Except there was, including the ultimate one that caused the laws to be formed. The fact you have made this statement just PROVES you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

A lot of folks in the UK and Australia like to focus on a single aspect of the problem (mass shootings) and declare victory while ignoring the rest.

The US had an Assault Weapons Ban for 10 years and it had no effect on murder rates or mass shootings. The murder rate has been in a gradual decline for around 25 years, even without a ban on "assault weapons" so your arguments hold no water.

And hows that working out for you? Let me see......... Sandy Hook, Batman Shooting, Congresswoman shooting.....the list goes on. In fact there have been 294 mass shootings in the US in 274 days in 2015 alone - compared to ZERO in Australia in the last 2 or more DECADES.

a reply to: Indigo5

THIS is what WE do..girlsjustwannahaveguns.com...

WE FIGHT BAD GUYS and what EXACTLY do people like YOU do?
They keep gun free zone and push the progressive agenda.
Seems clear to ME.
I'm ready ...RIGHT now THIS second to go try and stop these these things even if it kills me..I DO have skills for it.

originally posted by: yuppa


And everyone knows that killing in australia was a false flag to cut off gun ownership before it got as high as the US.

No, everyone DOES NOT know that. Please leave the conspiracies at the door and only bring facts to the table

Also you die when you are going to die. Nothing will prevent it. it was their time to die apparently.

Seriously???????

LAWS will prevent it. And NO, people DO NOT HAVE TO DIE just so others can keep their guns.