Adam and Eve - Why was Knowledge Evil

originally posted by: peppycat
a reply to: akushla99 sorry to interrupt, but I have been following this thread and when it comes to the ''betrayal'' in question perhaps another way of saying it is, falling out of alignment with God. When you fail to have gratitude for being able to exist, you fail to be grateful for ''being'', ''existing'' experiencing the gift of being alive on a beautiful planet. Hmm... I hope I make sense.

'Falling out of alignment would seem a better analogy - we are talking about angles...

Å99

originally posted by: akushla99

...ergo - betrayal is not 'evil'?

Please make sense...I'm trying to have a relevant discussion here...

Å99

I would call adultery betrayal.
I would call violating the terms of a business contract betrayal.
I would call your children stealing from you betrayal.

I would consider all of those things evil.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: akushla99

Yes, I believe God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, righteous, just, and sovereign. He doesn't have to answer to anyone.

What exactly is your question?

Given that you say you believe these qualities...of what consequence would an upstart angle be?

Å99

originally posted by: akushla99
Y'all better stop readin' the little golden book then...and spreading evil...

Knowledge = evil
Ignorance = good

Å99

If you were given only 1 choicee to learn, with Knowledge leading to 1 of the following 2 outcomes which knowledge would you choose to learn?

1. To be healthy
2. To be sick

One type of knowledge leads to health, another leads to sickness.

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: akushla99

...ergo - betrayal is not 'evil'?

Please make sense...I'm trying to have a relevant discussion here...

Å99

I would call adultery betrayal.
I would call violating the terms of a business contract betrayal.
I would call your children stealing from you betrayal.

I would consider all of those things evil.

Under certain circumstances, all these could be justifiable against a greater 'evil'...

Å99

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

God is the one who was betrayed. First by Satan, then by Eve, then Adam.

Well that explains a lot! No wonder his followers have persecution complexes!

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: akushla99

Satan was the being that got jealous of His creator. He desired to replace God and by doing so, he created the Knowledge of Good and Evil in his own heart.

Satan is not the victim here, nor were Adam and Eve or any of their descendants. God is the one who was betrayed. First by Satan, then by Eve, then Adam.

...ergo - betrayal is not 'evil'?

Please make sense...I'm trying to have a relevant discussion here...

Å99

Explain to me how this makes sense...

"Satan is not the victim here, nor were Adam and Eve or any of their descendants. God is the one who was betrayed. First by Satan, then by Eve, then Adam."

Å99

How did Satan and Adam betray God? The same way a disobedient child betrays his/her partents' trust.

God created Satan as the Covering Cherub in a perfect environment. He was more beautiful than any other creation. Nothing was off limits to Satan other than the fact that as a created being, he could never replace God.

What did Satan do? He tried to lead a revelution against his creator. That is called betrayal.

What part of that, exactly, don't you understand?

Do you know what betrayal is? Has anyone ever betrayed your trust?

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: akushla99

...ergo - betrayal is not 'evil'?

Please make sense...I'm trying to have a relevant discussion here...

Å99

I would call adultery betrayal.
I would call violating the terms of a business contract betrayal.
I would call your children stealing from you betrayal.

I would consider all of those things evil.

Under certain circumstances, all these could be justifiable against a greater 'evil'...

Å99

You might justify those things, but I can't believe that anything that could harm another is ever justified. Except for self defense.

The ends never justifies the means.
2 wrongs don't make a right.
The truth is always mote profitable to the aoul than lies.

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: akushla99
Y'all better stop readin' the little golden book then...and spreading evil...

Knowledge = evil
Ignorance = good

Å99

If I gave you only 2 choices to learn with the following to outcomes which knowledge would you choose.

1. To be healthy
2. To be sick

One type of knowledge leads to health, another leads to sickness.

Devoting your life to caring for diseased patients, putting you at greater risk, would be unhealthy...but it is the main message...

Å99

a reply to: akushla99 so, if I had a business partner and in the start we thought the same way about how to run and conduct the business, and my partner went and started thinking things should be different and became a competing business with trying to take my customers, I would then believe myself to be betrayed.

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: akushla99

...ergo - betrayal is not 'evil'?

Please make sense...I'm trying to have a relevant discussion here...

Å99

I would call adultery betrayal.
I would call violating the terms of a business contract betrayal.
I would call your children stealing from you betrayal.

I would consider all of those things evil.

Under certain circumstances, all these could be justifiable against a greater 'evil'...

Å99

You might justify those things, but I can't believe that anything that could harm another is ever justified. Except for self defense.

...and you just did...

Å99

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: akushla99

Satan was the being that got jealous of His creator. He desired to replace God and by doing so, he created the Knowledge of Good and Evil in his own heart.

Satan is not the victim here, nor were Adam and Eve or any of their descendants. God is the one who was betrayed. First by Satan, then by Eve, then Adam.

...ergo - betrayal is not 'evil'?

Please make sense...I'm trying to have a relevant discussion here...

Å99

Explain to me how this makes sense...

"Satan is not the victim here, nor were Adam and Eve or any of their descendants. God is the one who was betrayed. First by Satan, then by Eve, then Adam."

Å99

How did Satan and Adam betray God? The same way a disobedient child betrays his/her partents' trust.

God created Satan as the Covering Cherub in a perfect environment. He was more beautiful than any other creation. Nothing was off limits to Satan other than the fact that as a created being, he could never replace God.

What did Satan do? He tried to lead a revelution against his creator. That is called betrayal.

What part of that, exactly, don't you understand?

Do you know what betrayal is? Has anyone ever betrayed your trust?

I would be a vindictive parent (who abrogated my responsibility) if I banished my children to a lake of fire, for having no choice in thier own creation and proper upkeep...

Å99

a reply to: akushla99

Docors take precautions against catching the illness of their patients. What good would a doctor be who was always sick himself?

Helping those diseased in the soul has no ability to disease my soul.

And this thread has nothing to do with the physical body which is of little importance.

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: akushla99

...ergo - betrayal is not 'evil'?

Please make sense...I'm trying to have a relevant discussion here...

Å99

I would call adultery betrayal.
I would call violating the terms of a business contract betrayal.
I would call your children stealing from you betrayal.

I would consider all of those things evil.

Under certain circumstances, all these could be justifiable against a greater 'evil'...

Å99

You might justify those things, but I can't believe that anything that could harm another is ever justified. Except for self defense.

...and you just did...

Å99

What did I just do? Please explain.

a reply to: Isurrender73

"Except for self defense"

Å99

a reply to: akushla99

Satan can still repent (though he won't). Christ paid for his sins too. The only one condemning Satan to a Lake of Fire is Satan himself.

a reply to: Woodcarver

I see no reason for your post. Your hatred of religion has been seen time and time again. You typically fail to articulate your hatred in a way that can be considered anything but trolling.

Please don't post in any OPs of mine again unless you have something legitimate to say.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: akushla99

Satan can still repent (though he won't). Christ paid for his sins too. The only one condemning Satan to a Lake of Fire is Satan himself.

There is no 'satan'.

Å99

originally posted by: akushla99
a reply to: Isurrender73

"Except for self defense"

Å99

Adultery, lying and stealing are never done in self defense.

And self defense should never be considered betrayal.

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: akushla99

Satan can still repent (though he won't). Christ paid for his sins too. The only one condemning Satan to a Lake of Fire is Satan himself.

There is no 'satan'.

Å99

Ok. Whatever man. Why bother asking your poorly phrased questions then?