Turning our backs on Islam.

We have helped Islamic countries. Well we invaded got rid of their tyrannical leaders and trained and armed their Armies and pulled out . Iraq, Afghanistan. Guess what instead of fighting the bad guys in their countries they surrender at the first sign of conflict then ISIS kills them rapes their women and children and takes over their communities. Every major city in Iraq is held by Isis now. The only one willing to fight them are the Kurds. So what the hell are we supposed to do? The Iraqi Army sucks. The Afghani Army sucks. They are both getting taken over by Al Queda and Isis. Because they refuse to stand up for themselves. So gee I guess every single city Isis takes over we should just carpet bomb it and level it killing everyone, right? Because why waste our time on the ground because it doesn't work. How many American lives have to fight a useless war when they tie our hands by being PC. As Conan said in the movies To kill your enemies see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of their women. That is the meaning of life. Here is a history lessen for you. The Mongols killed every male enemy when they took over an area and made slaves of their women and bred them out of existence. Thats called winning a war. We beat the Nazi's by obliterating every single city on the map until they had no where else to run until they capitulated. We killed everyone in those bombing runs, men women and children. THAT IS WAR. That is how you fight a war. Is it evil yes. It is definitely not politically correct nor is it civil. YOU HAVE TO KILL EVERYONE. Sound harsh? Well it is. I fought in Somalia. I saw Somalis put children ages three to 12 on balconies and fire at us over their heads at us so we wouldn't shoot back. How do you think that felt. I have no sympathy for these sick people. They do not have any value for human life and they need to be exterminated. If Isis takes over a city. They will kill all the males and rape the women and little girls and make them slaves. Even Muslim women. They are sick. Their captives are screwed. So whats the answer. How many Americans have to die going house to house to protect people that won't even defend their own families. Most of the males going to europe abandoned their homes and their women and children. Guess what? That's an Invasion. Its planned. The rape count in Sweden rose 1400 percent in the last 15 years. They refuse to call the problem what it is. They want to take over all of europe and have things their way. Not your way not the free way the Sharia way. So women are property to them, and if they are not with a man they are allowed to be kidnapped and used however they want to in those countries because finders keepers buddy, and if your not a Muslim you are damned, you do not have a soul to these fanatics. You can be abused in any way they see fit and they don't care. Its justified to them. You want to solve the problem? Kill everyone in any city Isis takes over. Fight the war like a war. Exterminate them. And repopulate those areas with our soldiers. Marry their women. And take over those countries. Thats it. Sound horrible? Yeah it is. BUT THATS WAR. GUESS WHAT. Isis and Al Queda are fighting the war correctly. We are not. They are winning. We are not. As Jack Nicholson said in A Few Brave Men You can't handle the truth. Fight the war correctly. Jordan, Syria, Israel and all the other countries over there should invade these countries and do what they need to do. Destroy the cancer that is fanaticism. Not us we already tried to help them. And anyone we take in if they talk about sharia law they should be arrested for making a terroristic threat and put in prison. THAT IS HOW YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Why don't YOU go over there and go house to house killing fanatics? Because that's just cruel? Guess what THEY live on CRUEL. I personally think women of the middle east are beautiful. I'd love to have a wife from over there. I'd treat her like a goddess and worship the ground she walks on. I'd even let her worship Allah. But she would have to follow our cultural rules and live free not as my property. So she would be able to dress in what she wants, drive a nice car and go to school and have a great life without fear. Would that be so bad? No. It wouldn't be.

a reply to: Kapusta

I only found out about that letter 2 years ago. It gave me hope.
Jews Christans and Muslims are people of the book,by popular knowledge.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

What are we to do to stop the militants?
YOU won't do it,we can't tell the diffence between you and a maniac who wants to slaughter us(YOU too, if you don't want to)
I won't be pidgeon holed to a type and THAT is what America really is, alot of different people.
The current methosd is terrible but it's the ONLY one we have to combat a faith that sheilds murder cults.
When they get sorted maybe we can settle the HELL down and start living our lives in THAT regard.
Until then the stais quo is going to continue regardless of HOW we as indiviuals think of it and THAT is the central issue.

SHOW us the bad guys.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Kapusta

Erm sorry to say but its is common knowledge that Mohammed did indeed practice the Islamic art of lying, particularly to the leaders and religious groups of territories he wished to conquer. He (and followers thereafter) lied to sway converts who he then enslaved, and despite what others have said it is indeed in the Koran and Hadiths that lying to further the cause of Islam is acceptable. They call it Taqyya...sorry if spelling wrong, and is or appears to be a popular way of achieving their own ends and defeat their enemies. Now you might say well we all lie, and that would be true, but we don't have permission to lie in our Holy Book.

We all know right from wrong regardless of our religion but some in this world are forbidden from using logic and common sense

This is inncorrect. And you know nothing of what you speak.

Let me refute this regurgitated nonese.


Quetion:

What is taqiyyah, and who are the people who practise it? In fatwa no. 101272, you said that it is a term that is particular to the Shi‘ah, and that they are the only ones who practise it. But I discussed with some people who said that Ahl as-Sunnah also practise it. Is this true?

Answer :

Praise be to Allah

Firstly: 

Taqiyyah, in the usual and well-known sense, is one of the basic principles of the Ithna-Ash‘ari Raafidis; Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa‘ah differ from them concerning it and it is something that takes them beyond the boundaries of the straight path of Allah. 

Taqiyyah in their religion means presenting outwardly something that is different from what one believes inwardly, as an act of religious devotion. Thus they attributed lying and deceit to the religion of Allah, wrongfully and out of enmity. 

This corrupt belief has nothing to do with the beliefs (‘aqeedah) of Ahl as-Sunnah. According to Ahl as-Sunnah, lying is one of the attributes of the hypocrites. A person may keep on lying and persist in lying until he is recorded with Allah as a liar. These people tell lies and persist in lying in all things, then they regard that as part of their beliefs and religion. 

So this is NOT part of Islam but rather a pratice that was created in a sect .

Please don't speak on things you have no knowlege of. By doing that you your self are lying.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Kapusta

I only found out about that letter 2 years ago. It gave me hope.
Jews Christans and Muslims are people of the book,by popular knowledge.

That letter serves as an example of who muhammad was . also their are hadith that show his character. All than pictures painted of him today and ideology is so far away from who he was and what he taught .

a reply to: Raevynn

No they don't and that is collectivst thinking, it is an easy thought process to manipulate and control because of that false assumption or perhaps the laziness of the observer. Profiling DOES work but it isn't fool proof.
I have met black guys who listen to metal ,I had a lesbian friend who was into diseases and virology.
I am a nerd ,artist, Cavalryscout,AKA 'WEIRD" not MY definition it's what others tell me.
We are all snowflakes...said a brilliant Jewish philosopher...

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Read very carefully to these words and concerns, but ONLY after watching this video.



Now, that you have seen their attitude and what will be brought when two cultures get mixed, it becomes CHAOS. This is human nature we are talking about. DO you really think people will cooperate when they have different beliefs? Could you really be so naive to think, that there wont be chaos?

It is not about turning our backs, we get it, and it pains me to see another human being suffer. However, if entropy ensues, chaos is sure to folllow. The muslim belief is one of INTOLERANCE towards others who do not accept their way, and they have no intention of forsaking their beliefs just because they are fleeing into another country.


Now, if they were tolerant, and humble, THAT would be another story. But until then, entropy must NOT happen, because it will bring even WIDER spread of suffering and hatred,

The muslim refugees in my personal view and from connecting the dots and observation, it is clear, that this is a world wide scale of a trojan horse.

I understand your point of view as a human being, but allowing refugees to enter is equal to a stealth invasion. Get us while "we are sleeping" and disorganized. And from what I am seeing, many of the U.S military is offshore, which means we are left almost defenseless against a massive scale invasion of this kind.

No, i hope Donald trump puts a stop to this, I dont support him for president as I dont believe in this false system, but I have to agree with "the lesser devil" on this one. Refugees must NOT enter the U.S, for the good of ALL. Why? Because its a trojan horse, clear and visible to those who have common sense.

And before anyone says it's isolated only to us. Take a look at how they treat their own allies, the Russians, and on Russian soil.

Disturbing. If that were in America, I don't think our young men would have been standing around with their sissy-assed thumb up their butt watching an American girl get clobbered by some filthy female-denigrating muslim. It amazed me that they didn't lift a finger to help her!!

a reply to: jimmyx

These types seem to rule by fear ,negative reinforcement,strickly self objective minded.
It is essentially a "might makes right" mentallity that is common with many eastern regimes.
Our enemies regard our reliance on humanitarian missions to be a weakness of the west ,to exploit
We also pay in BLOOD to maintain that idea as we are able in war.

That is Holland for you. The laws there are very anti self defense. If those guys would have defended her they would have gone to jail just like the offender with the same charges. You cannot defend yourself in those countries you have to wait for the police to show up to get the law breakers and your not allowed any self defense actions. Glad I live in Texas. There would be two bloody jerks laying knocked out on the floor.a reply to: queenofswords

The fact is ,we can't turn our backs becase they are already HERE with us.
What do you want Concetration camps like "the SEIGE"?
Until the nutballs are sufficiently attritted here we are.

a reply to: Kapusta

What you have regurgitated is pure semantics. I have checked into this from many different sources and all same the very same thing. There are 2 ways to be permitted to lie as you well know Taqiyyah lying and Kitman lying by ommission and both are acceptable if the end justifies the means.
Check Reliance of The Traveler and Bukhari 49:857
Koran 2:225

Allah does not impose blame upon you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He imposes blame upon you for what your hearts have earned. And Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing

Lying may be forbidden but it is given permission in many circumstances as outlined in the Hadith. You could be said to using Taqiyyah now in lying to further the cause of Islam. Anyway, I think all religion twists words to suit the occasion

And I do know what I'm talking about thanks you make assumptions on a few lines on a forum

a reply to: queenofswords

Trouble is over here it is those people that go to help that end up in jail

originally posted by: spirit_horse
Might have something to do with their plans. This sign was in a Detroit suburb, I don't recall the name of it. However, I think people have heard and seen enough. You know they use taqiyya where lying about their goals and plans is ok to advance the goals of Islam.
Source

Quite simply, I do not trust their motives. I don't trust a lot of different groups motives. However, these people do not assimilate to a new culture or want to follow the laws and traditions of Western Nations. You do not have to look far to find them trying to bring Sharia law into western countries, muslim no-go zones in western countries, etc.. If they are not happy with our laws and traditions, then either go home, or go find a country that does meet your religions needs. We do not need to change how we do things to accommodate them! Period. And if you look at the Syrian refugee issue, I mean look at most of the video you see and the majority are military aged males. Probably 80% of them. They do not have the women and children with them. Many muslim countries refuse to let them into their countries, why is that? I have seen evidence of at least one ISIS terrorist that had walked in with the refugees into Europe.

I am sure there are good people among them, but the problem is we don't know which ones aren't. And in Europe many of them have fake passports, refuse to register, have no documents, etc. It is like dumping a prison out and letting them into your country. You don't know who is who. I live in Florida and when Castro dumped out his prisons and sent them to the US, it took quite a lot of time and many lives and other victims before we were able to figure out who was who. There are stories in the media about the refugees destroying their refugee centers in Germany. Why do that if you are truly a war refugee? I could post video after video of media stories, not just from the US, but all over the world. However, I do not have the patience or time to do that here. Besides they are not hard to find.
ETA: the sign was from Dearborn, Mi.

That sign has to be photoshopped. They could be put in prison under the terrorism laws just for saying that.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: queenofswords

Trouble is over here it is those people that go to help that end up in jail

Different cultures and different perspectives, I guess. Where I live, the young men would not have hesitated to knock that p.o.s. out for putting his filthy hands on that girl. Some cultures are simply not compatible.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Neither the sign nor the alleged organisation are real. The sign was created using Church Sign maker app.
Seriously people stop posting inflammatory fake rubbish it doesn't help the cause or the debate whatsoever

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Neither the sign nor the alleged organisation are real. The sign was created using Church Sign maker app.
Seriously people stop posting inflammatory fake rubbish it doesn't help the cause or the debate whatsoever

Amen to that!

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Not to be obtuse, but has anybody answered the question on how we are to help others when you and yours are barely keeping a roof over your heads, meals are sparse and there are never enough blankets in the winter. When people are living in caves, sewers, under overpasses and in alley ways.

I am not saying we should not be compassionate, but it is hard to even make stone soup if you don't have any stones.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Kapusta

What you have regurgitated is pure semantics. I have checked into this from many different sources and all same the very same thing. There are 2 ways to be permitted to lie as you well know Taqiyyah lying and Kitman lying by ommission and both are acceptable if the end justifies the means.
Check Reliance of The Traveler and Bukhari 49:857
Koran 2:225

Allah does not impose blame upon you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He imposes blame upon you for what your hearts have earned. And Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing

Lying may be forbidden but it is given permission in many circumstances as outlined in the Hadith. You could be said to using Taqiyyah now in lying to further the cause of Islam. Anyway, I think all religion twists words to suit the occasion

And I do know what I'm talking about thanks you make assumptions on a few lines on a forum

Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

This ayat means that if you make a false stament without knowlege or understanding you won't be held accountable , but rather he will judge you by the intention in your heart.

From arabic to english their is a difference linguistically.

I provided evedience of what taqiyya waa and how its a pratice that is not of Islam.

Lets here the rest strait from the prophet's mouth.

The basic principle for the Muslim is to be honest and truthful, and he should not speak anything but the truth, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“O you who believe! Fear Allaah, and be with those who are true (in words and deeds)”

[al-Tawbah 9:119] 

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I urge you to be truthful, for “Truthfulness leads to righteousness and righteousness leads to Paradise. A man will keep speaking the truth and striving to speak the truth until he will be recorded with Allaah as a siddeeq (speaker of the truth). Lying leads to immorality and immorality leads to Hellfire. A man will keep telling lies and striving to tell lies until he is recorded with Allaah as a liar.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5743; Muslim, 2607, from the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him).

Their is a differing of opinion on weather a "white lie" is permissible. And the circumstance would be in a life or death situation. But Scholars have differing opinions on this. Some say its permissible some say its not .

But as you are saying lying to further the cause of islam is counter to what islam is about . anyone who practices this type of dawa needs to be slaped.

Forgive me if i offended you in my previous post . I just get besides my self when things are taken out of context in my religion. I have to battle with extremist and non muslims over this .daily.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

No , I do not believe its fake or photoshopped. By the way, you should go watch the latest episodes of south park. Predictive programmings are actually a preview of things to come. It featured donald trump as president, and illegal imigration runing cities. And a conspiracy theory topic within south park.

Those who understand these messages within these programs are "Ahead of time" and know it is all staged.

Just to summarize, the last episode included something along the lines of, "what if so and so, decided to let illegal imigrants in because they knew they would conflict, and would eventually end up causing an uprising".

The warning sign is clearly in south park. Letting these people in is a trojan horse. Do not be fooled, and remain vigilant. Guys , dont stay silent and speak your mind out regardless what anyone says. People are being forced to stay silent, how long till it happens in the U.S.

Entropy is a bad idea, and it all reeks of illuminati . Do not forget the popes words, "one world religion". IS the new world order. Refugees is exactly how they will infiltrate. The warning signs are everywhere. And many are still asleep.