POPE: Interfaith Service, Bring All Religions Together, JESUS Failed At The Cross

Interfaithism will be the one-world religion. Clever solution to a seemingly impossible prophecy.

I've been holding off on making any definite declaring on the Pope, but I will admit that this scares me and it scared my husband who is far less dialed in being of far more scientific mind. I believe his exact words were "He said WHAT!?"

Those who have declared 9/23 a total bust ... here we are. This is scary. This is the leader of the largest Christian church declaring that Christ's sacrifice was a failure and meant nothing. This is the leader of the largest Christian denomination calling for one world religion.

This is prophecy potentially starting to unfold. And it's not all the surprising given other things this Pope has said, but all those things could be explained by his past in Peronista Argentina in Liberation Theology Churches. I could excuse them, but they are becoming too big to ignore.

For those of you who do believe. Pray. Pray for yourselves. Pray for everyone else. And stay strong.

a reply to: ketsuko
I suggest that the words "humanly speaking, a failure" are almost a direct rendering of "The word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing" (1 Corinthians ch1 v18).

He said also "Different way of measuring success.." That is exactly Paul's point.
The cross shows that "Humanly speaking", the measurement by human wisdom, is the wrong way of measuring success.
The right way is by God's wisdom.

I think the Pope got it right, because it is true that "humanly speaking" Jesus' crucifixion was a total failure.

His disciples were disappointed and sad, and didn't understand how this outcome could be possible, after all that had happened in the 3 years they had spent with Jesus. Some of them waited Jesus to set up an earthly kingdom by a revolution. Some of them denied Jesus even before He was crucified (Peter in Mark 14:72).

But God's strength is made perfect in weakness 2. cor 12:9.

Jesus was humanly speaking weak on the cross. But he gave his life, and took it back.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. (KJV)

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

I appreciate your stance. I was simply responding to the ops point of consideration, not really discussing the entire catholic church as a idea.

personally, I think the church had its time, and now we need to overhaul it and redo our love of fantasy into something more modern..maybe a Mass Effect or Jedi temple.

The saving grace of the organization of catholicism (which is also their biggest sin one could argue) is their amazing cathedrals they build that really class up a place. I like monuments of imagination..it stirs creativity in the local populations.

Some interesting tidbits about the Pope's itinerary:

He will be on a jet heading for Rome as the Lunar Eclipse/Blood Moon is due to begin. Above the clouds face to face with it at some point of his return trip. Interesting timing, kinda spooky though to think the Pope will be flying along side of it. Is there a reason for this almost to the minute timing? This is also almost to the minute the beginning of Sukkot, Or Feast of Booths.

Source: www.dailymail.co.uk...

He is due to fly back to Rome at 8pm on Sunday.

Source: www.timeanddate.com...

While North and South Americans will be able to see the eclipse after sunset on September 27, 2015, people in Africa, Europe and Middle East can view it during the early hours of September 28, before the Sun rises.

Source: www.hebcal.com...

Sukkot (Hebrew: סוכות or סֻכּוֹת, sukkōt, or sukkos, Feast of Booths, Feast of Tabernacles) is a Biblical holiday celebrated on the 15th day of the month of Tishrei (late September to late October). It is one of the three biblically mandated festivals Shalosh regalim on which Jews were commanded to make a pilgrimage to the Temple in Jerusalem.

Sukkot begins at sundown on Sun, 27 September 2015.

STM

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Christianity is a 24/7 religion not simply a once a week trip into town, it comes from within and is also called 'faith'
faith in a higher purpose and power beyond this Human temporary existence , many of us know this it is not new theory

He is addressing human failure. Humans failed when they crucified him. Duh.

a reply to: SaturnFX

Jedi could probably catch on, given Disney is about to start cranking out a Star Wars film every year.

I wouldn't mind seeing a religion based on the Elder Scrolls pantheon.

But that's definitely the direction I see religion going. I don't think it's going to unite and sharpen its focus, I think its focus is going to be dulled until most human beings acknowledge its silliness but still cherish it for the mythology it is (just like we do for Greek myth).

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
He is addressing human failure. Humans failed when they crucified him. Duh.

APologizing for the hypocritical pontiff dont help. His words were what he said and they are to be taken at face value period. He didnt have a deeper meaning.

Jesus didnt fail because he set out to do what he did,and then be resurrected 3 days later. I cal that a triumph over death,and as such a "win"aka success...aka..mission accomplished.

a reply to: Unity_99

Is Islam a new country?

a reply to: TrueBrit

Oh sh#t! You're right, I shut it off after the pope finished.
I thought that's all there was. I fully apologise True!

Damn it, I hate when that happens.

I humbly agree with you. That I didn't watch the whole acre.

Whistles casually, back peddles and side steps behind curtain.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I was pointing out that you and Jesus are the same. I'm not sure you caught on to that.

I can't agree with that L1ght and you know that.

a reply to: randyvs

OK, my last comment on this.

This Pope has a dangerous pattern. Time and again he has made dangerous, slightly heretical statements that have been left to others, either in the Vatican or laypeople, to explain and excuse.

How many times do we let him get away with this before we start to call this a pattern and think that maybe this isn't an accident?

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: TrueBrit

Oh sh#t! You're right, I shut it off after the pope finished.
I thought that's all there was. I fully apologise True!

Damn it, I hate when that happens.

I humbly agree with you.

Whistles casually, back peddles and side steps behind curtain.

YEah the pope wrote it that way intentionally so he could claim it wasnt blasphemy apparently. It still was but nice try Pope. DOnt backpeddle Randy. youre initial thought are usually the right ones.

a reply to: yuppa

I don't need to apologize for the Pope because the only mistake being made, is the mistake of not understanding what he is saying.

If people are going to get so confused about this statement, I'm sure he will be around to make his meaning clear, and clear up any misunderstanding.

a reply to: ketsuko

slightly heretical statements

Can you list those? I'm not seeing it.

eta: Ketsuko, I'm not being smarty pants here, I am genuinely interested. I too, am a protestant Christian. But I have found everything about him so uplifting he has brought near- tears to my eyes. I thought perhaps, if you could post some things you've noticed, others might be able to give their version of what he meant, which can be enlightening at times. Just a suggestion.

a reply to: yuppa

YEah the pope wrote it that way intentionally so he could claim it wasnt blasphemy apparently. It still was but nice try Pope. DOnt backpeddle Randy. youre initial thought are usually the right ones.

I meant to agree with True Brit that I only listened to part of that vid
by mistake. Things are getting fouled up here but I do see the careful
wording and redact nothing I've said before hand. He should have chosen
his words much better. But his flock will follow him any way.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: randyvs

OK, my last comment on this.

This Pope has a dangerous pattern. Time and again he has made dangerous, slightly heretical statements that have been left to others, either in the Vatican or laypeople, to explain and excuse.

How many times do we let him get away with this before we start to call this a pattern and think that maybe this isn't an accident?

As yuppa points out Ket and as you and I know the careful wording is
in my view indicative, convicting and criminal. I stand by everything I've
said previously. Of course I do.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: yuppa

YEah the pope wrote it that way intentionally so he could claim it wasnt blasphemy apparently. It still was but nice try Pope. DOnt backpeddle Randy. youre initial thought are usually the right ones.

I meant to agree with True Brit that I only listened to part of that vid
by mistake. Things are getting fouled up here but I do see the careful
wording and redact nothing I've said before hand. He should have chosen
his words much better. But his flock will follow him any way.

As all good little sheep do. They truly are the Sheeple. I take people a ttheir words myself though and that was just it for me. I know the game hes playing because i use dto do th esame thing. its like starting a curse word and turning i t into a clean word.