Most homosexuality is a choice

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ketsuko

!!!!

Excuse me, he and I were both talking to "Teikiatsu"......
Make up your mind which account you want to use, ket.
You're busted.

No, you are talking to her husband. I fat-fingered the wrong window.

You may commence to start screaming sock-puppet, I originally posted that was why I did not create my own account.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: ketsuko

Hello Ketsuko

I think sockpuppet accounts are against the T & C.

I want other people to find it themselves.

Continue wanting that. I lost interest.

Yes, they are against the T&C. That's why I created a separate account, when she was warned that I could not post on her account as 'Mr. Ketsuko'

I said repeatedly that I would not join because I did not want her to be accused of using sock puppets. I was talked into joining by several people. Glad to see I was correct of my original suspicions, and that people react as I said they would.

Too bad, fun conversation. All people need is one excuse to shut their ears and close their minds.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

No, you are talking to her husband.

LOL!! Doy!!

I'm out.

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Dead Thread.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Teikiatsu

No, you are talking to her husband.

LOL!! Doy!!

I'm out.

*shrug* Have a good night.

So the opposition has been reduced to a troll and a sockpuppet.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Gay Jesus?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

For what it's worth i've asked multiple times to know your theory, and that is honest

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
So the opposition has been reduced to a troll and a sockpuppet.

Thank you for reinforcing my opinions of common internet debating tactics.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: Teikiatsu

For what it's worth i've asked multiple times to know your theory, and that is honest

Ah well, no reason to not break it down, since some people think calling me a sock puppet wins the internet.

First back to the OP: "Most Homosexuality is a Choice"

I agree and disagree with the post, depending on what they are alluding to.

1) Physical attraction to someone is not a choice. You either are, or you are not attracted. In that way, homosexuality is not a choice any more than heterosexuality is not a choice. So in that way my response is "Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual."

2) How you ultimately express that physical attraction is a choice. The act of homosexuality is a choice. So in that way my response is "Homosexuals choose to engage in homosexual activity." But then so do heterosexuals. For some reason, some men and women like anal sex. More power to them, I guess.

People are not defined by a single action.

So now on to my questions about reproductive drive and sexual attraction. Buzzy was actually on the right track before she thought she won some type of moral victory. We are indeed driven by hormones and instincts, no matter how much we think we have overcome our basic animal brain.

In the end, all humans have one basic biological function as pre-determined by our DNA: breed. If you subscribe to evolutionary theory, there is no other reason for us to be here than to produce another generation. Once you put all the technology, psychology, trappings of civilization, politics, etc aside, the underlying truth is that men are two-legged sperm dispensers and women are sperm receivers and two-legged incubators for babies. Our instincts (neurological wiring and hormonal feedback) are ultimately geared toward self preservation and reproduction.

Normal humans all have this biological drive to reproduce, including the majority of homosexuals. We have established this with nearly 100 pages of bickering.

In order to facilitate the drive to reproduce, our instincts drive us to be sexually attracted to the opposite gender, as well as the rush of hormones and emotions that 'get us in the mood' once the point of resistance has been reached or overcome... and we no longer want to take a cold shower Normal humans experience this rush, including the majority of homsexuals.

Sensing a trend so far?

The difference between straights and gays is, that if you take their sexually instincts to the ultimate extreme, the gays will never breed. Their hormonal pathways take a wrong turn towards pitching and receiving, dispensing and incubating. Yet as we have also established in this thread, gays [d]do breed. Usually with heterosexuals.

Bottom line, gays have some error in their hormonal pathways, neural wiring, etc. It's a mental disorder, no matter if it was taken out of the psychology books. It's not a pathological disorder, gays aren't 'nuts.' All other things being equal, gays are as normal as everyone else, they just lack the biological imperative to hook up with the opposite sex. Since that takes up a minority of actual socialization in society, it's not something that prevents everyday life. It's like vertigo or other fears that are not normally encountered. It's like my synesthesia, where I perceive colors when I see numbers. It doesn't really have a impact on day to day life.

So when I hear about homosexuals who want to have, adopt, or raise kids it's just more evidence that homosexuals are more normal than not, and that they want to overcome their disorder. Not that they want to be straight, but that they are trying to fill a void in their life that their disorder has led them to. Instinct is trying to overcome damaged hardware.

I never said you guys would like my 'big reveal'. That's why I was trying to get you to discover parts of it yourself.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Teikiatsu

No, you are talking to her husband.

LOL!! Doy!!

I'm out.

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Dead Thread.

Heh. Out, then back again.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

So after all that, your big reveal is that homosexuality is a mental disorder. I think you missed my last post to you because I thought there were some pretty good points in it, especially how homosexuality predates heterosexuality. Humans are having no trouble at all reproducing, the population is increasing quite rapidly, which means homosexuality could actually save us from crossing the breaking point of over population if/when we get near it.

I very much disagree with your claim that it is a mental disorder because they want children but can't biologically reproduce. That isn't them wanting to "get better". I can't say for sure either way, but that is a very flawed reason to assume mental disorder. I just don't see the association with evolution and biological reproduction.

How do you explain my position? I am straight but DO NOT want kids. That seems to blatantly contradict your reasoning. Or do I have a mental disorder that I am trying to recover from as well? After all, why would I be straight and not want children?

That should drive home the point that sexual orientation and "wanting" children are not related. It's not like every straight person wants kids. Neither does every gay person. It's different for everybody and I still don't see the correlation.

My post from a few pages back

Here is the post that you missed where I broke down most of those points in detail. It's not just biological clock ticking, it's also in large part, societal pressure. For women, they are almost expected to be married and have children by 25. After all, everyone else is doing it. For men, it's a bit different.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Can you explain this Mental Disorder? and do you believe it can be "Fixed"? and do you think it can be prevented before birth?

a reply to: Skyfloating

I agree with you it is a choice a cheap thrill that does not last .. Science? If everyone was gay there would be no us and would have died out long before civilisation began. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

a reply to: Ta1nTeDJuSt1cE

I think many of us already have, if you read the topic and many of the stories i think we have in fact

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Yes, they are against the T&C. That's why I created a separate account, when she was warned that I could not post on her account as 'Mr. Ketsuko'

Well - definitely off topic

But - it explains so much

a reply to: Teikiatsu

It's a mental disorder, no matter if it was taken out of the psychology books.

Why are you more qualified to make that determination than they are?

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Can you explain this Mental Disorder? and do you believe it can be "Fixed"? and do you think it can be prevented before birth?

Some wiring in the brain is not normal. I think it can be fixed, but the person must want to be fixed. In the meantime, it's not a pathological disorder and has minimal impact on other people until you get enough support to legislate against society.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: Teikiatsu

It's a mental disorder, no matter if it was taken out of the psychology books.

Why are you more qualified to make that determination than they are?

Because I'm not a political activist with a pro-gay (or anti-gay) agenda who gathered addresses of the APA membership, mobbed private APA meetings, and sent multiple threatening letters to the addresses they gathered.

It would have been one thing for the entry on homosexuality to have been downgraded from the #1 Mental Disorder of the sexual diagnosis to a lower tier, as I said before it's normally not a pathological condition. Homosexuality is a behavior, not the totality of a person. It doesn't consume a gay person's every waking moment, just like heterosexuality does not consume normal straight people.

No, the APA leadership dropped it entirely from the DSM in one quick voting round with less than 1/3 support of the voting members in a move that made the non-attendees' head's spin. After that, enough activism mixed with political correctness kept the issue shelved.

originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: Teikiatsu

I very much disagree with your claim that it is a mental disorder because they want children but can't biologically reproduce. That isn't them wanting to "get better". I can't say for sure either way, but that is a very flawed reason to assume mental disorder. I just don't see the association with evolution and biological reproduction.

I didn't say they wanted kids to make them get better. I said that despite their non-pathological mental disorder, other facets of their biology are still working as intended, as with every other human being. The drive to raise children signifies that the singular behavior of physical attraction to same gender is the deviation from the norm. As was mentioned before, this also applies to asexuals who have *zero* interest in sexual relations with either gender, but still feel the drive to raise children. It also applies to people who are straight and have robust sexual desires but have no interest in raising children. Wires have been crossed, burnt out, or never connected in the first place.

And you don't see the association between evolution... and biological reproduction... would you like a do-over on that one?

I got a kick out of Homosexuality predates heterosexuality in humans

Where do you people come from? Seriously

Did you all come from your Homosexual parents?