What is Bigfoot ....?

a reply to: Brotherman

That's what they said about the coelacanth, that deer that was supposed to be extinct in Asia, numerous species of gigantic spiders...the lust goes on and on...it seems that the only thing scientists excel at more than making discoveries is being completely wrong, lol...
Which I why I just smirk when one of these self satisfied experts claim something doesn't or can't exist.
Case in point, Graham Hancock's assertion there was civilisation prior to what the establishment believed.
NONSENSE, HERETIC!!! they all bellowed.
..then gobekli tepi.
Oops.
Cities under water off of the coast of India that had to be there thousands of years before sumeria.
Oops.
So, yeah, I wouldn't jump on the no way train so easily.

It's the same as the AGW argument that the "science is settled".
Well, for one thing, if its settled, its not science, because science doesn't actually work that way, because nature doesn't work that way, qed.
Not to say there can't be consensus.
That just means enough agree to force their view on the rest, it doesn't mean it's correct.
Mob rule in other words, you know, like western democracy.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: fishy6

American Indians stated basically they were another tribe of Indians not to be trifled with.

They are known as the Seeahtik tribe by the Clallam indians.

Very interesting article, thanks for posting the link.....obviously not too many people on ATS have read it.

The Seeahtik or Seeahtoh (Bigfoot), are a tribe of INDIANS, that live in caves on Vancouver Island AND Mt. St. Helens....there's that Mt. St. Helens connection again......they speak a language of Old Indian...the local tribes can understand them, they can imitate any bird or animal noise (as do a lot of American tribes), and cover themselves with a substance that can make them invisible to man (could be anything, green stuff whatever) and smell bad....
This information, via the linked article, is from 1924!!

Great stuff, old articles and eye witness information like this, adds to the authenticity of the creature, not the ridiculing of it.
Read the article people. (unless it is a completely madeup article)

a reply to: fishy6

My theory is that it is a Gigantopithecus species variety that also crossed the land bridge into North America. From what all the hundreds of reports I have read online and from what I have experienced are the following common traits:

- They are very tall and very muscular. Most sightings report 7 feet and above.
- They have a pointy sloping head with thick brow ridge
- Have flat, flared nose
- Have a short neck. Most say head just sits on the shoulders.
- Have a wide mouth with large teeth
- Have auburn, brown, black or white hair (not fur). Some in different combinations.
- Long arms that reach the knees
- Different stride than humans. Fluid like with great speed.
- Evidence of huge lung capacity when they growl/scream.
- Behaviours such as wood knocking or clacking stones together.Also throwing rocks/pebbles at people and property.
- Tree shaking
- Bob side to side when excited/alarmed about seeing a human.
- Footprints are very large with wide strides.
- May have nocturnal vision due to eye-shine when sighted at night.
- Pungent body odor/smell. Common descriptions are musky, garbage, wet dog/animal, sulphorous, and even a dirty diaper smell.
- Several sightings describe a strange language. Samurai/Japanese-like chatter.
- Stalking behaviour when trying to scare away intruders.
- Heavy foot falls when they are running.

They are not a creation by Altantians and they are not interdimensional. Or an experimental hybrid from thousands of years ago. Just an elusive offshoot of a primate species that is still evolving.
As humans we can speak because our anatomy changed to an upright position, thus allowing structures like our voice box to develop. The same can be said of Bigfoot/Sasquatch since several witnesses have described a crude Samurai like chatter. Les Stroud from Survivorman described and encounter in Alaska where the creature was whooping at him like an ape and shaking trees.

a reply to: gort51

Read the article people. (unless it is a completely madeup article)

I doubt if anyone can say for sure. But sometime ago back I searched
out a site that did have the news paper clipping posted. So that's
likely the best you can find without visiting the library where it
would be housed. But any way, you might find Genoskwa as a good
search tip also. I have a lot a fun with the stuff. But I fail to see
anyone being a total skeptic, sighting the incredible amount of
sightings that concur redundantly.

if bigfoot were not hyper-dimensionally mythically abstract, why would we not have any solid evidence? the profile of bigfoot evidence more closely parallels ufo accounts/experiences than it does any cave dwelling hominoid. not to say bigfoot is connected to ufos [or that bigfoot is not], but rather that mythological dimensions defy space/time and even dimensionally reality. the native American accounts are proof of mythological spiritual realities, not cavedwelling giants.

a reply to: bangster

any account is heresay at best,evidence is a turd,hair,body or similar.

a reply to: bangster

if bigfoot were not hyper-dimensionally mythically abstract, why would we not have any solid evidence?

With their massive size and strength? They could easily use a boulder
to cover the opening of their access to the underground/world.
But I think they have a paranormal/magic quality at the same time.
100 tribes across america have names for this guy so theres far more to
it than just pranks and hoaxes.

I just can't get on board with the paranormal or magical dinghy.
I don't believe either of those things exist in the context inferred.
Paranormal to me is just normal we haven't recognised or figured out yet, and magic is at best, a technology we don't understand or can conceive of yet.
I will except hyperdimensionality only in a model that presumes our entire planet is multidimensional outside of the 4 we accept and percieve.
If that's the case, then you have to accept the possibility that all manner of high strangeness is explainable with that model, including that perhaps we are as strange and fleeting in existence to these things.
Perhaps Ole Stinky runs from us and tells his buddies, " I just saw a little hairless version of us!!", and they're like, "Wow, Grog finally slipped his gears, eh?"
Wouldn't that be something.

a reply to: VictorBloodworth

If that's the case, then you have to accept the possibility that all manner of high strangeness is explainable with that model, including that perhaps we are as strange and fleeting in existence to these things.
Perhaps Ole Stinky runs from us and tells his buddies, " I just saw a little hairless version of us!!", and they're like, "Wow, Grog finally slipped his gears, eh?"
Wouldn't that be something.

Or maybe Grog would just bring the evidence with him

a reply to: randyvs

See, I have no doubt there is some henky shenanigans going on with the whole missing 411 stuff, but I'm as unprepared to accept bigfoot as a solution as paulides is.
What is going on I have no idea.
Possibly the same sort of phenomena as the skinwalker ranch, if that account is indeed accurate.

a reply to: VictorBloodworth

That thread was the creepiest thing I've ever been involved
in and still is.

a reply to: fishy6

What is Bigfoot ....?

A cyborg like Steve Austin.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: fishy6

Weren't the Nephilim supposed to walk our Earth around the time period you specified, or at least sometime in our ancient past/prehistory/15,000 years ago?

They were apparently born of human mothers and allegedly had great size and strength just like Bigfoot/Sasquatch. That is until God decided to wipe them from the face of the Earth for some transgression or another.

Possibly these creatures are some kind of off shoot or direct descendant that somehow survived the deluge/wrath of God? As to the inter-dimensional aspect regarding Sasquatch well again the Nephilim fathers were apparently of angelic origin.

I suppose it would also explain there fear of Humans given that we are apparently Gods chosen. And they obviously wish to remain hidden from our society.

Im not subscribing to the biblical interpretation but there is generally a grain of truth to be had regrading our ancient texts.

The Nephilim answer is what I'm currently slightly leaning towards as far as what they are. It would fit in with the ufo sightings in relation to Sasquatch sightings, as well as the supposed government cover up by preventing witnesses from talking about sightings and confiscating bodies. If this were true, then in admitting Sasquatches were real, tptb would also have to admit to the existence of alien life, and eventually to having been interacting with said alien life, and participating in who-knows-what arrangements with them. Something as simple as acknowledging the existence of Sasquatches could open up a huge can of worms, hence all the enforced secrecy and shaming of professionals who look into the matter.
I only have one problem with this theory; the apparent migration pattern. Sasquatches seem to have originated somewhere in Asia, migrating both south across Sundaland (they're seen in Australia), and northeast across the Bering land bridge into North America. Were they Nephilim, I would imagine there would be far more stories or records of their existence from Middle Eastern or African cultures.

originally posted by: yeahright

The issue IMO is any scientist looking into the topic is hooted down as a kook. Ergo, no scientist valuing his reputation (and scientists being people, tend to do that) will take it on as a serious line of inquiry.

Seems unlikely. Scientists will look at the evidence... which for bigfoot is rather anemic at best and simply doesn't even begin match the claims or indicate any such thing exists. This seems more the issue.

Every time a claim gets conclusive scientific analysis, it ends up being conclusively anything else but bigfoot.

It's understandable that few take it seriously for this reason. It doesn't follow that they don't take the possibility seriously. Many of them do. It isn't their fault that it is "a belief based pseudo science" (as one of these scientists critique of Meldrum's claims, noted).

Here's just a few mainstream scientists who have shown interest and looked into the subject. All (apart from Napier) quite recent and within this group are the only two to have published research papers on the subject (in genuine mainstream peer reviewed literature).

It also leaves out lots of other scientists over a long time such as the Anthropologists who disagreed with Meldrum re his "Patty" claims, the Stanford gait and motion specialists, the scientists who looked at many of the famed early tracks in N Cal. and the original viewers of PG film and found it all rather unconvincing etc.

John Napier - Primatologist Smithsonian Institute.

Dr.Esteban Sarmiento - Ph.D Biological Anthropology.

Prof. Anna Nekaris - Ph.D Anthropology (primate researcher and conservationist).

Dr. Steve Van Dyke - Ph.D Vertebrate Zoology.

Prof. David J Daegling - Ph.D Anthropology.

Prof. Mathew J Sharps - Ph.D Cognitive Psychology.

Dr. Donald Prothero - Ph.D Paleontology/Geology.

Dr. Anton Wroblewski - Paleontologist/Geologist Ph.D Ichnology.

Dr. Haskal Hart - Ph.D Chemistry.

Prof. Brian Sykes - Human Genetics

Dr. David Winter - Ph.D Evolutionary Biology/Genetics.

If this creature is as intelligent as proposed and wants to remain undiscovered, that's a major uphill fight.

More so if it simply doesn't exist.

If science ever decides to treat the topic seriously, IMO the creature will be found.

They would take it seriously if it wasn't a pseudo science with more than it's share of charlatans and hoaxers. If there were anything indicating it really existed, it would be taken seriously despite this.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
The best "explanation" I ever heard was that Bigfoot is essentially what human brains come up with when presented by Bigfoot-like stimulus that they can't immediately comprehend. Our brains work very hard at filling in gaps. We see something extremely unusual, and our brains will work overtime to try to have it make sense. The result is Bigfoot. Maybe it's a vestige of our old primordial fears of bears or gorillas, or a lost race memory of a previous hominid we shared our evolution with.

Except when they're on video and your brain doesn't have to do that. That explanation is complete nonsense.

originally posted by: Blue ShiftThe hair samples all turn out to be bears. Oh, but what about the footprints? Hoaxes or misidentifications or human footprints that have become distorted by the ground conditions.

The hair samples do NOT all turn out to be bears. And what about the footprints that are of such high detail that they leave behind dermal ridges? There goes the "distorted by ground conditions" explanation. What about footprint tracks found through snow with a gait much larger than a human could reproduce? How did a human make those?

a reply to: trollz

"Were they Nephilim, I would imagine there would be far more stories or records of their existence from Middle Eastern or African cultures."

Possibly they were just known by another name, Jinn/Djinn. They were apparently conceived from fire and could achieve some remarkable feats. Invisibility or the ability to appear so being only one of there many talents. They were also not exactly friendly towards us Humans or at least indifferent at best.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: randyvs

Skin-walker ranch is most definitely one weird place with some very strange supernatural occurrences actually being documented by scientific method. But i suppose i dont really need to tell you that, i do agree however definitely creepy.

I think it's a cross between an ape and a polar bear, it sickens me to think about it but I can't work out who was the male and female.

Are there Sasquatch in the Himalayas? I wonder how a polar bear got there?

a reply to: Cogito, Ergo Sum

Maybe.

I maintain there are two categories of potential investigation that are worthwhile to explore but are virtually disregarded by mainstream science:
Bigfoot
UFOs

There are a variety of answers for that, but the two primary ones are 1- Near certain ridicule for treating either subject seriously 2- The white noise surrounding both topics generated by intentional hoaxers and the delusional as you assert. But if the beast exists, all the charlatans and hoaxers in the world don't negate that. What it does, is discourage the sort of scientific investigation necessary to generate results.

Sorting the wheat from the chaff becomes problematic.

You know once upon a time the world was virtually covered with dinosaurs. The first remains weren't discovered until the mid 1800's.

The gorilla was a rumor until the mid 1800s.

I don't KNOW that Bigfoot exists, but I'm not going to be shocked when one is found intact. And when it is, it'll be some goof in a sock hat farting around in the woods stumbling across one because science isn't looking.