Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics.

originally posted by: M5xaz

Projection issues
Good luck

Nice comeback guy. But you're the one doing all the person attacks and avoiding the actual content of this thread.

At least I understood the topic before I argued about for 16 pages unlike some of you.

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
A quote by Voltaire

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Dear Spira, while I much appreciate and admire your desire to protect humans against themselves and protect the little animals and plants of earth, I have to disagree on some things.

Dear Third Eye,

Thank you for admiring something in me that one would think we should all be able to admire in almost anyone - including each other

Alas...

Also, I wasn't actually thinking about proving a consensus when I posted those links - I was demonstrating just how much information is out there. You know - in case anyone's interested in reading actual information

Oh by the way, one of your sources the Natural Resources Defense Council was exactly one of the organizations I just posted as one of George Soros' funded operations.....just so you know...

Well - if we're going to talk money:

ExxonMobil gave millions to climate-denying lawmakers despite pledge

The Dark Money Funding Climate Change Denial

So, there's plenty of money being thrown around - just so you know

:-)

What has been the biggest threat to the Obama administration of all possible things?

The truth. The truth has been the biggest threat. So it makes perfect sense that THE particular Scientists who are true believers, and team players for political goals, in any wretched scheme The current administration cooks up to take advantage of the American People and exploits every possible avenue for political gain. Get their votes then throw them violently under any old bus near by.
Now no real honorable American would suggest that someone be prosecuted for not "Playing ball" And it doesn't matter one bit if they are addressing a real true thing, or one cooked up, because nobody owes some scientist, or their political enablers via funding studies, or other projects, any kind of alliance or assistance, or cooperation in any way shape or form, no matter how true they might even be.

Another thing is that the issue is not even being used or studied in any way that hopes to find a solution. If it did, then it wouldn't be dividing people, making threats for not helping their politically motivated cause, and other unbelievable things..
Even if the entire world were to agree right now and say "OK, lets study it and all cooperate", it wouldn't matter one bit. Because no one, including these scientists that aren't very scientific, have even offered any solution, no plan, not even suggestions, except for people to stop wasting so much fossil fuels for energy, like Al Gore does before and after he tells everyone else to STOP DOING IT.

What is the solution??????????????????????????? I have never heard anyone even suggest one, except to say that coal fired plants are a main contributor. Slowing coal burning isn't going to work. It is probably being done this way so that people just give up everything they own and donate the entire thing to our government and all these liberal commie, right wing, left wing, conservative progressive, socialistic and Marxist, with a huge helping of Stalin principles, (all life threatening by the way), So that there really isn't anything to do except seek a cushy government job, they already outnumber the other kind of jobs.

If you can get enough people on board with the climate change issue, you won't need to prove anything, or have a solution, just make it all fuzzy, and give it the notion that people are just going to need to pay for it all. Pay for what? Pay for whatever eventually is shown that this charade is being used for in the first place. It is only a giant fraud attempt.

IT DOESN'T''T DEPEND ON ANY REAL CLIMATE CHANGE PROBLEM TO OPERATE, nor does it require a real plan to fix. Because China is going to keep burning coal, and so are the USA, and so is everyone else who can't afford the fake Obama technology that is all fake, and always was fake. Remember Obama paid them out billions, they cashed the check and immediately filed bankruptcy and closed up shop. This means that Obama simply just committed an act of felonious fraud in a grand scale, or is someone going to come to Obama's defense and claim he just didn't know that those guys (who were his pals) were going to take the huge payment and then fly the coup the next day. Is Obama that stupid? No he isn't at all. He knew they were going to take that money and not deliver, and Obama probably got a big portion of that money illegally and has already spent it, or paid kick backs to other piles if garbage.

But if I have the whole thing all wrong, then just tell everyone how agreeing with what they tell you to agree with or face prosecution is going to help fight climate change problems or warming, or cooling, and how would a world deal with those issues without trying to win over a majority that it even exists? Even if it IS real, what is going to happen when everyone is all on the same page? Give all their money and assets to the government to fight the problem in a patriotic way?

LOL, lets first watch what those angry about others who reject it all do as their part of the solution. No one has or is going to do a thing except try to take all your money in new taxes that will magically make China and everyone else stop burning fossil fuels, and even if they do, how that money is going to erase the problem .

And even if fossil fuels could be stopped by some breakthrough, what have government leaders done so far to address this problem? Nothing except tell you believe it is a problem. It's no wonder people want to inflict great bodily harm on others these days. People are being asked to voluntarily become psychotic freelance government enablers through strict compliant behavioral propaganda, that doesn't actually do anything else except make people go crazy..

If Al Gore, Obama, and all these fools who are just full of Chit anyways, donate there gas guzzling vehicles to a land fill, and all start riding bicycles, get a job in the civil sector where getting results is the only way you keep your job anyways, and lower their own carbon foot print, which doesn't matter anyways since you can't win a race against nature by waiting for nature to fix anything, nature will instead work against man like it always has. Since man would lose money and funding if he worked WITH nature in a good way.

What a rant. True, false? not PC enough for some? Let me know when someone who calls the loudest for climate change solutions, actually does something that has the remote change of realizing one.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
A quote by Voltaire

Nice quote

A lie told often enough becomes the truth.

Vladimir Lenin
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Two from Herbert Spencer

How often misused words generate misleading thoughts.
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When a man's knowledge is not in order, the more of it he has the greater will be his confusion.

Herbert Spencer

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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

umm isn't that what prosecuting and jailing someone for their belief is?

Is that what's happening here? Has anything happened yet?

If it does become a legal issue - would they be persecuted for their beliefs, or prosecuted for racketeering?

Can corporations even have beliefs?

Well - we all know the answer to that question

Is anyone going to profit form purposely misinforming the public? Even toothpaste advertisers have to walk just inside that line - why should we expect anything less from the fossil fuel industry?

I wouldn't mind knowing the answer to these questions

Think about it 3 Eyes - you could ask the same exact questions. I'm not at all afraid of where they will lead - are you?

a reply to: neo96

Your thread went the way all these threads go - predictably people are still arguing about what is or isn't real

There are people at ATS that are smarter than you that can argue your points better - and have. There are people smarter than me that have done the same with my position

What got me interested in your thread neo is the idea that we might actually be able to prove that the fossil fuel industry has done it's own studies and proved it's own public campaign is a lie

Is that criminal?

I'm just dying to find out - aren't you?

:-)

If proponents of "man made" climate change profit from it, I could see corruption charges being brought against them.

a reply to: DBCowboy

That would be fair - but only if you can prove they're lying about it

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

We could start with Al Gore and George Soros. It would be interesting to see what gains they made from carbon credits.

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

Would you oppose the application of RICO to an industry funded group of scientists that pedal fringe reports that it's perfectly acceptable to drink heavily whilst pregnant despite the fact that a mountain of evidence to the contrary looms?

Oh please...are you really going to compare pregnant women drinking heavily and driving to people who don't believe the Climate Change scam? It's Al Gore going around making money off the carbon credit scam. Honestly you supporters of this fraud are really reaching...

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Is that what's happening here? Has anything happened yet

Hopefully this witchhunt will be stopped in it's tracks by level headed people.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Yep it's a massive wealth redistribution scheme just like the financial transaction tax these Marxist fraudsters have convinced people to believe will somehow put a stop to the trading on wall street.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Oh you're going to talk about Dark Money now because conservatives won't cave to the bs Marxist socialist fraud being perpetrated on the American public and the entire world....that's funny, because some of your sources are JUST that...Dark Money from George Soros and his Tides Foundation.
I heard something on the radio just yesterday they were talking about our governor hosting a dinner fundraiser for the Democratic Governor's Association

Friday’s fundraiser has GOP critics in a froth over what they say is hypocrisy from a governor who criticizes the evils of unlimited corporate contributions and undisclosed “dark money” in one breath, and then seeks out corporate donations in in the next.

www.greatfallstribune.com...

So please just don't go there about Dark Money when all the Progressives and Democrats do it all day long and in every way for every cause.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

We could start with Al Gore and George Soros. It would be interesting to see what gains they made from carbon credits.

Why hasn't Congress investigated them? Could it be because there's no wrongdoing going on? I say: let the FBI investigate both sides. I have no doubt who the crooks are. If the climate change deniers are knowingly deceiving the public, what they are doing is a crime against humanity.

a reply to: neo96

Why people I remember way back when when the scientists said the earth was flat.

Really? You are 2000 years old? Gimme a break.

That science was settled.

That wasn't science. That was philosophy.

Thanks for playing.

They cant prosecute them unless they actually break a law. . .

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: johnwick

The only negative is rising sea level....

Since most of humanity lives by the sea, this is a major issue.

Dry you are a hypster coastal city type....

Nope. I live in the middle of a craton, but I have compassion for human beings living on the coast. Do you?

Doesn't mean I have to revert to living like an animal to appease you....

Got it. Paying $10 for a gallon of gasoline is living like an animal.

Your beliefs are no better informed by science or more important than mine.

I have a feeling you know that statement is just plain wrong.

Let's see.... $10 for a gallon of gas is going to force moat people to live like animals.

Because they can't drive for sure, or afford food because the transportation costs would be so outrageous.

$10 fast would cause 60% of the population, you know the already struggling working poor, to live like animals!!!

It wouldn't hurt any of the rich people though, who would, like I already stated, be the only ones capable of living a modern western nation life style.

The rest of us would be forced to live like the 3 the world at best.

Because we wouldn't even be able to afford electricity...

And no my last statement is dead on the money, you can't name one single facet of Science in am not better informed and more knowledgeable than you are.

All you have done is repeat talking points you have heard, nothing more.

And your thinking $10 a gallon gas would not force most Americans to live like animals proves you understand little about the reality of the world.

Raise the price of everything across the board 5 fold.... Ya everyone has that kind of money, just like everyone can afford obamacare and a $7k upfront copay right?

a reply to: johnwick

Let's see.... $10 for a gallon of gas is going to force moat people to live like animals.

Because they can't drive for sure, or afford food because the transportation costs would be so outrageous.

There's this thing called "mass transit." It runs on electricity. Most poor people already use it. Food can be brought into the city by rail. Right now, most railways in the United States use petroleum based fuel, but they can be adapted to run on electricity. There are also projects devoted to turning urban spaces into agricultural projects.

$10 fast would cause 60% of the population, you know the already struggling working poor, to live like animals!!!

Why do you keep robbing the disadvantaged of their dignity? Just because someone doesn't own a car doesn't make them subhuman.

It wouldn't hurt any of the rich people though, who would, like I already stated, be the only ones capable of living a modern western nation life style.

What aspect of a modern western lifestyle do you see as desirable? Thanks to the telecommunications explosion, people don't even need to travel as much as they used.

The rest of us would be forced to live like the 3 the world at best.

Who do you imagine would force you? As I've pointed out, you would be able to communicate freely, travel by rail and put food on your table. If you wish to live like an animal it would be entirely voluntary.

Because we wouldn't even be able to afford electricity...

Why not? There are all sorts of ways to produce electricity on an industrial scale that does not involve coal. (The burning of which releases more radioactivity into the atmosphere than nuclear power, by the way.)

And no my last statement is dead on the money, you can't name one single facet of Science in am not better informed and more knowledgeable than you are.

If you keep repeating that maybe even you will start to believe it.

All you have done is repeat talking points you have heard, nothing more.

And you haven't even managed to do that. All you have done is spewed wild, baseless and even hateful claims without making the least effort to back them up with references.

And your thinking $10 a gallon gas would not force most Americans to live like animals proves you understand little about the reality of the world.

And your thinking that anyone without a car is a subhuman animal says a great deal about you.

Raise the price of everything across the board 5 fold.... Ya everyone has that kind of money, just like everyone can afford obamacare and a $7k upfront copay right?

So you really think Big Oil deserves all those subsidies and subhuman animals the poor don't deserve medical assistance?