9/11 Bombshell: Methodical Deception -- Rebekah Roth

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Agreed. I must have missed your post stating that, sorry
The contents of the boxes were still being discussed and I was just throwing it in there one more time.

Reply to Sam,
It would be true if she were the single solitary
sad, but oh so wrong truther. But as we all know she's a drop
in the bucket as far as people who have discovered they've been lied to.
As a matter of fact, if we are talking about people
who pay attention to the Sept 11th debate, the OS sides'
dwindling few are dwarfed by an ever growing MUCH larger group
of 9/11 Skeptics.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I've read every post, I even tried to watch the video......which lasted about five minutes until I ran out of BS flags to throw. The video, what little i watched has been no different from past books or videos. I mean, the BBC story about "live" hijackers was settled not long after it was published when the FBI released the official list of hijackers and cleared up confusion over the patronymics used in Arab families. The mistaken ideas over planes landing, being switched, passengers killed that still hang around even though it was beyond impossible... Nothing there is new, and the fact that she is completely oblivious over the name issue...just shows how crappy her research was.

I think it should also be mentioned that after the 1993 bomb, many of the tenants left WTC and a lot of floors were in fact empty and never relet. Again when Silverstein raised rents many gave notice too. The whole building was a white elephant and people were unwilling to work there. The Port Authority records show the decline in tenancies after 1993 and before. There is no way Silverstein would not have known about the asbestos nor the fact the building was losing money hand over fist, therefore why agree to lease it? He clearly didn't want more tenants as he raised the rents to ridiculous amounts. I believe the same as many, it was a convenient way of getting rid of the buildings for the more valuable land underneath.

I think in one way or another Larry had a hand in this, the story of 911 is very big , each of the events may not be connected to each other. The Hijackings may be real, the buildings being blown up could be a different story, maybe Larry did it, he sure had the motive.. and being who he is maybe Massod pulled it off.

When you think of it , it was a win win for all TPTB, just bad for the people..

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

As a matter of fact, if we are talking about people who pay attention to the Sept 11th debate, the OS sides' dwindling few are dwarfed by an ever growing MUCH larger group of 9/11 Skeptics.

It has been proven that facts, evidence, and the laws of physics do not side with the 9/11 skeptics. In fact, the overwhelming majority of scientist, structural and civil engineers, architects, firefighters, demolition experts and other experts do not agree with 9/11 truthers.

a reply to: wildb

The Hijackings may be real,...

The hijackings were real, and we have the voices of the hijackers on audio.

... the buildings being blown up could be a different story,...

That is a bit of a problem considering that there were no secondary explosions when the aircraft struck the WTC Towers and there are no demo explosions as the WTC buildings fell. In fact, seismic monitors did not detect demo explosions at ground zero and no evidence of explosives was ever found.

With those facts in hand, who fabricated the claim that explosives were used to bring down the WTC buildings?

.. and being who he is maybe Massod pulled it off.

It wasn't the Massod either. The Massod had warned the United States that Osama bin Laden had plans to attack America in a large-scale terrorist attack.

Mossad Warns U.S. of Upcoming Osama bin Laden Attack

The Telegraph has learnt that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the CIA and FBI to the existence of a cell of as many of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

a reply to: skyeagle409

Sky, you are living in fantasy land, I would appreciate it if you no longer reply to my post. You only address what suits you and ignore what does not. You are not contributing to this discussion, you are making a mockery of it.

To say there were no secondary explosions is a slap in the face to the first responders and a kick in the face to those who were injured or even killed of which there were many.

Please do not reply with another BUT First..

a reply to: wildb

Sky, you are living in fantasy land, I would appreciate it if you no longer reply to my post.

Are you willing to accept my challenge for you to prove me wrong with facts and evidence? If not, you have no case.

To say there were no secondary explosions is a slap in the face to the first responders and a kick in the face to those who were injured or even killed of which there were many.

Well, point out the time lines in the videos where secondary explosions are seen because no one else saw secondaries.

a reply to: skyeagle409

A couple of things in your post.

Other bombs. There were some eyewitness testimony from credible witnesses saying that there were explosions on the lower floors and also some evidence and testimony of explosions during collapse.

Moasad. The art students in the room with all the fuses in the tower with some credible testimony that there were moasad in that art group.

Both of those two points could be wrong, but they're troubling. Especially the testimony of Barry Jennings

Link to blog about Barry Jennings. barryjenningsmystery.blogspot.com...

a reply to: skyeagle409

It has been proven that facts, evidence, and the laws of physics do not side with the 9/11 skeptics. In fact, the overwhelming majority of scientist, structural and civil engineers, architects, firefighters, demolition experts and other experts do not agree with 9/11 truthers.

There's another lie and after I've corrected you at least three times now.
There is no over welming majority of OS anything anymore. But you can
lie about it all you want. Pretty soon you'll be try'n to convince only you.
Your heros are guilty because in case you haven't noticed? The truth never
dies. Your heros will be brought to justice in this life or the next.

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: skyeagle409

Moasad. The art students in the room with all the fuses in the tower with some credible testimony that there were moasad in that art group.

This has been one of my few remaining questions that no one has answered yet.

Is there evidence that the particular members of Gelatin (now Gelitin) photographed at WTC with the boxes were among the suspected Mossad or ex-Mossad? As near as I can find, the DEA report says only that most of the artists questioned admitted to being ex-military signals intelligence and explosive ordinance specialists, but it does not appear to specify the name Gelitin/Gelatin, or include the name of the person whose temporary work ID we see on the Methodical Deception resources page.

Peace.

a reply to: FlySolo

No smoking guns here... same old partial info, half truths, insinuations and mistakes that are repeated as gospel adding up to nothing as far as OP...

and Flysolo, that sketchbook is nefarious exactly how? Sorry, but there was nothing indicating anything but a doodle pad of an artist in the WTC ...and that was nothing compared to the weird, morbid stuff many artist's pads contain... artists and thinking folks in general are riveted by mortality.

I'm sympathetic and know false flags are done... but where there is no evidence and convoluted, paranoid mental gymnastics, one has to question the questioners.

But I get it and keeping an eye on the governing powers is essential... why more folks don't put this amount of effort into looking at the day-to-day, open-air malfeasance in our governing bodies is beyond me.

a reply to: Baddogma

If your post is a rhetorical post not requiring an answer...I won't answer. But if you are legitimately interested in hearing why I believe they are involved and are looking for answers because you have doubts, I will oblige you.

a reply to: amazing

A couple of things in your post.

Other bombs...

There were no other bombs, Seismic monitors did not detect demo explosions,

... There were some eyewitness testimony from credible witnesses saying that there were explosions on the lower floors

The explosions at the lower floors were determined to be falling elevators.

The Elevator Man's Tale

What we heard was 6 and 7 car free-falling from the 107th floor and they impacted the basement at B-2 Level.And that’s the explosion that filled the lobby within a matter of two or three seconds, engulfed the lobby in dust, smoke.

www.thrnewmedia.com...

...and also some evidence

What evidence may I ask? The reason why I am asking is because demolition experts and clean-up crews found no evidence of explosives.

... and testimony of explosions during collapse.

Please point out the time lines in the following video where demo explosions are heard. You will also notice that debris in free fall is outpacing the collapse of WTC1, which debunks claims that the WTC Towers fell at free fall speed. which was not the case as this video proves.

Moasad. The art students in the room with all the fuses in the tower with some credible testimony that there were moasad in that art group.

It was the Mossad that warned the United States that Osama bin Laden would attack the America with hijacked aircraft.

a reply to: randyvs

There's another lie and after I've corrected you at least three times now.

Amusing considering that these number debunks your claim.

Architects and Engineers

There are 123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.

Although their field of expertise is not related to the construction of buildings - they don't seem to have a problem with that over at AE911truth - there are also 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report. So who would you rather believe?

911-engineers.blogspot.com...

And,

Architects Shy From Trutherism

The AIA itself, however, is firm about its relationship with Gage. “We don’t have any relationship with his organization whatsoever,” Scott Frank, head of media relations for the AIA, told me.

www.architectmagazine.com...

And,

Disinformation Killed 9/11 “Truth”

By 2009, the 9/11 “Truth” Movement was so inundated with disinformation that it had become a laughingstock. The easily-discredited claims (lies) contaminated the greater issue and soiled dissenters across the board.

“Turd blossom” was a Karl Rove phrase that could describe what the movement had devolved into. The media, whether corporate or foundation-funded, could find people ranting about “the Jews” or the Illuminati, the Lizard People, the missiles, holograms, mini-nukes or space beam weapons vaporizing the Twin Towers.

www.911truth.org...

Now, let's take a look at one of the sources of the Truth Movement.

Gordon Duff of Veterans Today Admits To Writing 40% False Information

Gordon Duff of Veterans Today in his own words. He admits To Writing 40% False Information and that at least 30% of the information on Veterans Today is false as well.

______beforeitsnews/power-elite/2012/11/gordon-duff-of-veterans-today-admits-to-writing-40-false-information-2440410.html

Over the years, truthers cited Gordon Duff and VA Today as their references. No wonder the Truth Movement has been discredited and I can confirm that after truthers posted hoaxed videos in their debate with me last month not knowing that I knew, the videos were hoaxed.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Thank you. A well thought out, considerate reply.

Not a 9/11 expert, nor a photographic memory, nor the time to research everything as I own my own business...just so you know where I'm coming from. I'm just a guy with a few questions.

I seem to recall that there were several eyewitness testimonies of explosions. Quite a number of them. One that I did find yesterday was Jennings...and he, I thought, was talking about an explosion on the ground or lower floors of WT7. That wouldn't have been from an elevator, though. Wonder what that was? He was a credible guy, based on where he works and his title, as credible as anyone.

a reply to: AceWombat04

At this point, I can't say, but I can find out. On another note, it is no secret the Mossad spies on the United States,

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: AceWombat04

At this point, I can't say, but I can find out. On another note, it is no secret the Mossad spies on the United States,

If you do, please point me to the evidence whether it's for or against. I've been searching for it since this topic began. Much appreciated.

And yes, there are many possible reasons for Mossad (current or ex) to be in the U.S., spying among them.

Peace.

a reply to: FlySolo

Well, it was mostly rhetorical and only the middle, sketch book comments were directed at/to you specifically... but I appreciate your answer and willingness to impart some info.

I went through most of the posts about the sketchbook already... but if there is something I missed (and boy, is that possible- this thread is humongous) that is really out of place for an artist in the WTC spending time on a little ledge 300 meters up, then by all means, illuminate me.

I'm always up for learning and being proven wrong...

a reply to: Baddogma

Everything I've read so far
www.markdotzler.com...
www.amazon.ca...
www.gelitin.net...
www.nytimes.com...