Customer Claims Religious Discrimination - Company Refuses to Print Fliers.

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Metallicus

How would someone even know your orientation unless you told them or advertised it? I am curious because I don't normally see people conducting normal business with "I am a homo" signs or name tags.

Oh, I see. It's okay to discriminate against people who don't successfully hide their offensiveness from public view.

Unless you think this woman was discriminated against not really a good comparison.

You need to go back and read the context for that comment. It's not about the woman.

I did read it. And he asked a question about if people are advertising which turned into the tired old discrimination claim. Based on the op unless you feel the woman suffered discrimination not a real valid comparison. Thanks for the concern though

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

This agenda did not started this year, neither last year or within the last decade, it started back when Wade vs Roe, that is when religious zealots decided that to fight for God and take back America, this is when fundamentalist in the name of freedom of religion during the 80s were able to establish their hold on education, opening their own schools, colleges, thanks to the Regan administration, they started to educate in religious base classrooms the next lawyers, politicians and figure of power, now they are old enough to bring their influences to try to change and take back America all in the name of religion freedom and if this mean Christian war by all means they are going it do it.

So to think that America has progressed when it comes to tolerance is a misunderstanding, the pursue of a theocracy in America has not died at all.

a reply to: Liquesence

OMG. Yeah, like Tucker said, it's an unbelievable story.

It's a bunch of CRAP!!!
The host even said whatever about "selling baby parts". OMG. FOX NEWS is....is....

I don't even have the words.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
Haters!

Here's the link to the actual flyer, if anyone wants to see it: Flyer

I thought there was disturbing graphics? This might as well been a political ad if that is all that was on it. I don't see how it "persecuted" (that word is getting overused) anyone. So office depot is willing to take their money, but not to the extent of running the printing itself? Seems weird to me. We will have to let the marketplace decide. I can see some churches ect boycotting office depot. Welcome to America, where we get offended by EVERYTHING.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

(BTW, you are a 'religious type', so don't eliminate your righteous self from the head count. 'The rest of us' indeed.)

How am I 'a religious type' when I don't have a religion? Is it because I am not an Atheist so I must be religious? I am curious since you know so much about me. I literally have no idea what form the higher power takes, but I know there is something more than the emptiness and darkness of Atheism.

NO ONE is discriminating against these religious folk.

I understand YOU don't think so...that is the problem when you are mired in liberal dogma or religious dogma. I am able to see both sides as I don't have a dog in this race.

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Funny, isn't it?

Abortion: "Oh my lord, the world will come to an end if we don't stop it!"

Same-sex Marriage "Oh my God, the world will come to an end if we don't stop it!"

Gun Control: "Oh no, the world will come to an end if we don't stop it!"

The 1% has all the money while the rest of us have little to nothing: "Shhhhhhhhh...."

Kayla, I agree with you (a rarity indeed). We all need to stop telling each other what to do and give everyone the freedom to make their own choices. I am pro-everything when it comes to giving other people the freedom to make their own choices and live their lives.

We don't need to agree with a behavior to give each other the freedom to do what makes us happy and live a full and happy life. If we can agree with that then you and I might not be so far apart as it seems sometimes.

With human nature the way it is, there's just no way to let everyone do what they want. You are going to have some conflicts, and someone is going to have to do something they would rather not do. To allow Kim Davis' county clerk office to refuse same-sex marriage licenses, it will force gay couples to go to another county - what if they don't want to go to another county? Banning abortions will force women to either carry the fetus to term when they don't want to, or it will force them to go to the back alley to get their abortions. A store owner who refuses service to someone because they don't agree with who they love will force that person to go somewhere else for that service when they don't want to. Someone isn't going to get their way. The best we can do is sort out the fairest way to resolve these conflicts.

I would LOVE a world where everyone accepted everyone else, and no one ever rejected anyone for any reason, and no one ever hurt anyone. Unfortunately, we humans aren't capable of that kind of behavior. Maybe a few thousand years from now we will be, but I kind of doubt it.

a reply to: marg6043

I was a teenager when Roe v Wade happened.
I understand what you are saying. And yes, I agree with you. The last remnants - the death rattles - of those who have lost their battle are now writhing and gnashing their teeth.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Metallicus

How would someone even know your orientation unless you told them or advertised it? I am curious because I don't normally see people conducting normal business with "I am a homo" signs or name tags.

Oh, I see. It's okay to discriminate against people who don't successfully hide their offensiveness from public view.

What the hell are you even talking about?

I have no idea if someone is gay from just meeting them.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I was in my teens also, I had my first vote in 1978.

we come a long way baby.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Metallicus

How would someone even know your orientation unless you told them or advertised it? I am curious because I don't normally see people conducting normal business with "I am a homo" signs or name tags.

Oh, I see. It's okay to discriminate against people who don't successfully hide their offensiveness from public view.

Unless you think this woman was discriminated against not really a good comparison.

You need to go back and read the context for that comment. It's not about the woman.

I did read it. And he asked a question about if people are advertising which turned into the tired old discrimination claim. Based on the op unless you feel the woman suffered discrimination not a real valid comparison. Thanks for the concern though

Perhaps you did read it (and the previously associated comments), but you obviously didn't comprehend them.

I'm not concerned, I just try to help people who might not know or understand on what they're commenting in order to save them from making fools of themselves.

Regardless, carry on.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Funny, isn't it?

Abortion: "Oh my lord, the world will come to an end if we don't stop it!"

Same-sex Marriage "Oh my God, the world will come to an end if we don't stop it!"

Gun Control: "Oh no, the world will come to an end if we don't stop it!"

The 1% has all the money while the rest of us have little to nothing: "Shhhhhhhhh...."

Kayla, I agree with you (a rarity indeed). We all need to stop telling each other what to do and give everyone the freedom to make their own choices. I am pro-everything when it comes to giving other people the freedom to make their own choices and live their lives.

We don't need to agree with a behavior to give each other the freedom to do what makes us happy and live a full and happy life. If we can agree with that then you and I might not be so far apart as it seems sometimes.

With human nature the way it is, there's just no way to let everyone do what they want. You are going to have some conflicts, and someone is going to have to do something they would rather not do. To allow Kim Davis' county clerk office to refuse same-sex marriage licenses, it will force gay couples to go to another county - what if they don't want to go to another county? Banning abortions will force women to either carry the fetus to term when they don't want to, or it will force them to go to the back alley to get their abortions. A store owner who refuses service to someone because they don't agree with who they love will force that person to go somewhere else for that service when they don't want to. Someone isn't going to get their way. The best we can do is sort out the fairest way to resolve these conflicts.

I would LOVE a world where everyone accepted everyone else, and no one ever rejected anyone for any reason, and no one ever hurt anyone. Unfortunately, we humans aren't capable of that kind of behavior. Maybe a few thousand years from now we will be, but I kind of doubt it.

It is really tough isn't it?

My biggest conundrum comes when there are two issues of personal freedom that are butting heads against each other. I don't want to see anyone feel discriminated against or disenfranchised. Sometimes you do have to pick the lesser of two evils. You and I just sometimes disagree which side is which, but deep down we both want justice and fairness.

a reply to: pavil
No argument from me. Persecuted is a bit over used these days. I think the part Office Depot honed in on was the calling of abortion, and its supporters "evil" in the prayer. As well, from what Buzzy has said in this thread, these people are known to fabricate stats to their liking.

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Metallicus

How would someone even know your orientation unless you told them or advertised it? I am curious because I don't normally see people conducting normal business with "I am a homo" signs or name tags.

Oh, I see. It's okay to discriminate against people who don't successfully hide their offensiveness from public view.

Unless you think this woman was discriminated against not really a good comparison.

You need to go back and read the context for that comment. It's not about the woman.

I did read it. And he asked a question about if people are advertising which turned into the tired old discrimination claim. Based on the op unless you feel the woman suffered discrimination not a real valid comparison. Thanks for the concern though

Perhaps you did read it (and the previously associated comments), but you obviously didn't comprehend them.

I'm not concerned, I just try to help people who might not know or understand on what they're commenting in order to save them from making fools of themselves.

Regardless, carry on.

It's nice you think that's what you're doing or even qualified to do so... Carry on

a reply to: Metallicus

Well, excuse me for noticing; and please correct me if I'm mistaken, but your posts in the religious threads have been consistently pro-Jesus, historically.

As for being 'mired', I watch all sides....like this:


The video posted earlier in the thread of an interview with the 'plaintiff', who ALREADY has a lawyer who was sitting beside her, contained slanderous allegations, and her lame 'it's not anti-Abortion! I'm not anti-abortion! I'm pro-woman! I stand outside abortion clinics and watch the women, in so much pain!' yeah.......

and 'well, I agree the prayer was strongly worded'

Anyway, thanks for your comments.

a reply to: Klassified

I tell you what, if somebody calls me evil for supporting women's right, I call them ignorant right back.

Office Depot lawyers must have feared a lawsuit.

I wonder if the employee refusing the work is in trouble?

"We sincerely apologize to Ms. (Maria) Goldstein for her experience and our initial reaction was not at all related to her religious beliefs," Office Depot Chairman and CEO Roland Smith said in a statement, adding that she is welcome to return to the store to print her fliers.

Office Depot Apologizes for Refusing to Print Fliers Criticizing Planned Parenthood

Will she get the flyers printed for "free" now?

a reply to: xuenchen

Well the employee should sue office depot if it gets fired, the employee can fall under religious discrimination also.

it seems the fat of the day and it works obviously.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: pavil
No argument from me. Persecuted is a bit over used these days. I think the part Office Depot honed in on was the calling of abortion, and its supporters "evil" in the prayer. As well, from what Buzzy has said in this thread, these people are known to fabricate stats to their liking.

They source almost all those claims from Planned Parenthoods own annual report? The other claim is also sourced as well? Are stats that are agreed on by both sides now in dispute?

It's lame on both sides of this argument to be honest. Like I said the marketplace will determine if office depot made a sound financial decision.

a reply to: xuenchen

I think they made this perfunctory apology just to not have to deal with the sensationalism about it.

When a bully is standing there saying "APOLOGIZE!!! NOW!!" and waving their Brass Knuckles at you, the easiest thing is to simply apologize and walk away.

But - some people named Kim Davis (and some people with other names, too) look for ways to exploit it.
I worked in the administration building of a local out-door seasonal festival, and the number of people who called the office saying, "Um, I twisted my ankle in a hole there and I'm going to sue you" was astounding.

My supervisor told me stories about WATCHING patrons at the festival move trash containers that were placed over various holes, and then deliberately walking into them.....

this rampant penchant for litigiousness is beyond reason. In my opinion.

a reply to: marg6043

The whole abortion debate splits people. For some it's women's rights, for others it's a baby's right to life. Neither side will probably convince the other.