NYC World Premiere. Firefighters, Architects & Engineers: Expose the Myths of 9/11

a reply to: waypastvne

Then why is the cop stating there's a mural with a plane dive bombing into NYC with explosions?

a reply to: FlySolo

That video should never have been posted because it was an obvious attempt to deceive. Here are additional examples of what I am talking about.

Doctored Cruise Missile Photo

Original Cruise Missile Photo

It is these kinds of deceptive practices that has discredited the Truth Movement over the years.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

About an hour between the planes hitting tower 1 and tower 2, then a couple of hours later they both collapse, then another tower not hit by a plane collapsed......because it was on fire.

WTC7 suffered massive impact damage on its south wall, which explains why WTC7 tilted toward the south in the final seconds of its collapse.

Passport found in the rubble,...

No mystery considering that passports have been recovered from other aircraft accidents on previous occasions. Here is an example where a passport and a dollar bill were recovered intact after a fiery airliner crash in Nepal.

Passport and Dollar Bill Recovered From Firey Airliner Crash

black boxes still missing,...

Black boxes have been recovered.

Black Box From United 93

Black Box of United 93 Found

The FDR of American 77 was also recovered.

OBL named within an hour as the main perpetrator,

Let's take a look here.

Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.

www.pbs.org...

Pentagon hit by a missile

That is incorrect. My Wing Commander was inside the Pentagon when American 77 struck. Witnesses reported seeing an aircraft strike the Pentagon, not a missile.

These B-757 wing flaps at the Pentagon did not come from a missile.

B-757 Wing Flaps at the Pentagon

Now, let's listen to ATC communicaiton tapes where it was confirmed by a C-130, 'Gopher 08,' that a B-757 struck the Pentagon.

Listen to the communications between ATC and 'Gopher 08' between time lines: 22:53 to to 26:02 where the pilot provides details as he watched American 77 conduct its maneuver and later, confirms that the aircraft struck the Pentagon.

Listen between time line 22:53 and 26:02 and Gopher-06 confirming the B-757.

ATC Communication Tape

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: hellobruce

The only time you pop your head in a thread is when there's something easy to attack. Otherwise you never have anything solid to ad. As per usual. There's # loads of evidence. Albeit, some not as solid as others but regardless, boat loads of inconsistencies and coincidences.

I am trying to remain neutral in this whole discussion. But this...This i fully agree on! this is how Mr. Bruce Operates . He's very calculated when it comes to replying in threads . I have noted a few of his calulated moves include the words "can you prove it " and " where is your evidence " with a sly dry insult for good measures.

Back on Topic. I have read through most of the thread and I am impressed by your work. I don't see you really posting the works of others to prove your points . keep up the good fight !

Now to the OS movement, equally I am impressed by your dedication to prove your points . I have to now go back and question allot of things i solidified as Fact . however given that , I can't help but to be very skeptical still about 9/11 and the OS it seems that allot of minor details are being played upon , allot of word play , like silverteines "pull it" like the pics of the steel trusses not being encased in concrete or not being fully covered by asbestos. Little details you seem to use that you say made the building come down from fire . I can go on and on about these little things that have been over played . what's keeping me grounded in believing it was an inside job. Is ehe bigger picture I mean the wars and what has happen since 9/11 , the media lies , the political lies , etc etc .

Anyway thanks all for your work.


Kap.

a reply to: ugmold

" 9/11 to me marks the end of the US as we knew it. "

Sorry I am confused. You mean the same US that has been involved in unlawful wars overseas multiple times. Has faked attacks to get the public behind a campaign. Plus send billions of dollars a year to a religious extremists country formed by a known terrorist group ( The Stern Gang )

The same country that still has a massive population that are religious extremists who still believe the world is only 6000 years old.

The same country that allows its Govt to be run by an outside country.

That USA ?

a reply to: Kapusta

The Truth Movement has done much to cloud 9/11 with disinformation and I have compiled a long list over the years. Some of that disinformation was planted in order to discredit the Truth Movement, whereas, they posted that disinformation back into forums where the disinformation was debunked. Case in point:

* Nukes as responsible for the destruction of the WTC buildings

* Mini-nukes, after the initial nuke story was successfully debunked.

* Space-based beam weapons

* Demo explosives despite the fact that not one WTC videio depicted demo explosions.

* Thermite and nano-thermite, desptie the fact that both Steven Jones and Richard Gage were caught lying

* Missiles responsible for the destruction of the WTC buildings and the Pentagon

* American 77 overflew the Pentagon and and secretly landed at Ronald Reagan Airport undetected.
(How do you sneak a B-757 into a busy airport undetected under the eyes of radar controllers and airport tower personnel?)

* 9/11 airliners were holograms

* No aircraft were involved in the 9/11 attack

* The aircraft were switched

* The aircraft were flown under remote control

* Passengers and crew of the 9/11 airliners were killed and dumped into the ocean

* Passengers and crew were flown to a secret base

* Cell phones cannot be used in flight
(Never mind that I turn off my cell phone while flying because it was still receiving phone calls)

* United 93 was shot down by a white jet

* United 93 was shot down by an F-16

* United 93 landed at Cleveland Airport

* The was no aircraft wreckage at the Shanksville crash site
(Never mind that 95% of the wreckage from United 93 was recovered along with remains of all of the passengers and crew and the fact that United 93 was tracked to the Shanksville crash site where radar contact was lost.

* ACARS depicted the 9/11 airborne after their crash times.
(Never mind that ATC radar, not ACARS, is the determining factor in regard to the accuracy of the timelines involving the 9/11 aircraft.

The list goes on and on and that is why 9/11 is clouded the way it is.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Let's start here.

Let´s start by looking where "here" is exactly. Is "here" an official government source? Does it contain an official report on the investigation of WTC rubble?

You see this is funny. The only source you could come up with is not an official government source at all, in fact,

WTC steel data collection efforts were undertaken by the Building Performance Study (BPS) Team and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY) to identify significant steel pieces from WTC 1, 2, 5, and 7 for further study. The methods used to identify and document steel pieces are presented, as well as a spreadsheet that documents the data for steel pieces inspected at various sites from October 2001 through March 2002.

Collection and storage of steel members from the WTC site was NOT part of the BPS Team efforts sponsored by FEMA and the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE). SEAoNY offered to organize a volunteer team of SEAoNY engineers to collect certain WTC steel pieces for future building performance studies. Visiting Ground Zero in early October 2001, SEAoNY engineers, with the assistance from the New York City Department of Design and Construction (DDC), identified and set aside some steel pieces for further study.

And the first sentence on that webpage,

So that we can learn from the tragedy of September 11 (the pathetically small number of) 146 pieces of steel, were saved for future study. Of course those responsible for September 11, want us to learn nothing..

Fail.

Thanks for the demonstration.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Some of that disinformation was planted in order to discredit the Truth Movement,

If you know this, why are you reposting these claims in order to back up your position?

a reply to: skyeagle409

So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post.

Can you post a picture that shows this 20 story hole right in the middle of the building on the south wall?

a reply to: WeRpeons

National media is not in the business of telling the truth.

Unless they can use it as some kind of propaganda. And even then, it's mixed with lies.

a reply to: RogueWave Pictures of the damage are readily available. Search on 'images' for WTC7 damage and you will find many, along with analyses of the building structure.

a reply to: pteridine

Post one then, or post a link.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: FlySolo

That video should never have been posted because it was an obvious attempt to deceive. Here are additional examples of what I am talking about.

Doctored Cruise Missile Photo

Original Cruise Missile Photo

It is these kinds of deceptive practices that has discredited the Truth Movement over the years.

However, that mural depiction goes along with actual recordings from the officers. Feel like trying to explain that away? And if that picture shouldn't be allowed to be used for fear of being "deceptive" then I can make the same claim regarding your posts as an attempt to deceive. Yes, you are well versed when it comes to refuting claims from truthers, but you cherry pick your answers. When the going gets tough you ignore the facts then move onto another topic.

Case in point 1:

No skid marks on the pentagon grounds
You claim ground effect but can't explain why the pentagon hole is at ground level instead of the 4th floor

Case in point 2:

The van mural - you claim a lie but can't explain the audio

Case in point 3:

Boeing can't make planes autonomous- Proven wrong as per informer1958

Case in point 4:
You claim no explosions yet there are witnesses and audio of explosions

Case in point 5:
You say 236 beams of steel were analyzed but omit the fact they never tested for explosives.

These are just a few off the top of my head. One could say, after reading what you've been saying, you're all about disinfo and attempting to deceive.

a reply to: RogueWave

Here's a pic


An asymmetrical hole that causes a symmetrical collapse. From debris ejected out 600 feet from a "gravitational collapse" of WTC1. Don't let the disinfo payroll confuse the reality of physics 101.

a reply to: FlySolo

To be clear, I asked him for a pic of the supposed 20 story hole right in the middle of the building in the south wall.

a reply to: RogueWave

oh well, in that case, you're not going to see that because that's not where the damage is.

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: Kapusta

The Urban Movers mural of planes exploding into the buildings. Proven fact. If that isn't the piece de ressistence, then I don't know what is

at 5:40

That is a photo shopped image.

Here is the original image without the mural.

The photo was taken from this add on ebay.

A reverse phone number search gave me this address. You can see the van sitting there in google maps.

Google street view of the van.

You are posting a lie told to you by another truther.

So where did you get these pics without links? Looks like you had them stored on Photobucket. I did some reverse google image searching myself and the only place this original pic of the van and the google earth pics are found is in this thread and an earlier thread here, both posted by you and from your Photobucket account.

So you are the one and only person that did this research and found those pics? When did you do this?

OK So I have only seen the trailer

I am very sceptical of anything to come out of A&E for 9/11 truth and I have not yet watched the full documentary

I am also sure this may have already been covered in this thread before but could someone please answer this question?

What new information does this video contain?

I only ask because I do not want to watch a 90minute documentary only to find its just a regurgitation of the usual stuff.

a reply to: RogueWave

Sofar the earliest appearance I could find of that mural van pic was on Okt. 22. 2011 in this vid,



Your first comments on this pic were in this thread, dated Sep. 24, 2013, almost 2 years later.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The photo was taken from this add on ebay.

So how did you find that add using google reverse image search, at least two years later. Why does the add say "posted 5 weeks ago"?

Why does the add say "15 miles"?

You found this add and it happened to be 15 miles away from your home?

Maybe there is a good explanation for this.


The google street view pic says "image date July 2007".

en.wikipedia.org...

The United States was the first country to have Google Street View images and was the only country with images for over a year following introduction of the service on May 25, 2007. Early on, most locations had a limited number of views, usually constrained to the city limits and only including major streets, and they only showed the buildings up to a certain height. Few suburbs or other nearby cities were included.

Tuesday, October 9, 2007

added,

Portland, Phoenix, Tucson, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia

I don't think that even includes BLUFF Drive, Antioch, Illinois.

On the other hand, the pic itself could have been taken earlier and added later.


Anyways, what are the odds of the truck appearing in 2007 google street view imagery, aswell as in 2010 google satelite imagery?

It is just a bit too convenient this extra evidence, imo.