9/11 Conspiracy Theorists still subjected to ridicule

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: skyeagle409

Even if true, those things don't mean that demolition wasn't also a part of what happened. A mix of both would make it more convincing as being an attack

Exactly.

It would be more convincing to NOT have such a painstakingly perfect demolition that would result in damage to nearby buildings....so WTC7 could convincingly come down from 'damage.'

a reply to: MotherMayEye

It would be more convincing to NOT have such a painstakingly perfect demolition that would result in damage to nearby buildings....so WTC7 could convincingly come down from 'damage.'

First of all, you have to have evidence that demo explosions occurred, so let's take this video and please point out the time lines in this video where demo explosions are heard.



Now, let's compare what you didn't hear in the above video of WTC1, with the sounds of demo explosions in the following video.

a reply to: skyeagle409

I remember hearing plenty of firefighters, and others saying they heard successive explosions and bombs before buildings began coming down, and some of those witnesses are dead now. most of them even. The ones who sounded the most truthful, and had the most reliability or credentials were the first ones dead due to amazing coincidences.
There have also been videos early on that had explosions in them as well, sounding strategic or conveniently before collapse, with testimony saying they heard it as well.
Videos now could easily be edited either for or against these things, so that doesn't leave much else except for whistle blowers coming forth. (If any of them are still alive that is.)

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I remember hearing plenty of firefighters, and others saying they heard successive explosions and bombs before buildings began coming down, and some of those witnesses are dead now. most of them even. The ones who sounded the most truthful, and had the most reliability or credentials were the first ones dead due to amazing coincidences.
There have also been videos early on that had explosions in them as well, sounding strategic or conveniently before collapse, with testimony saying they heard it as well.

The sound of explosions were later attributed to things that had nothing to do with explosives. I knew the sound of explosions were not demo explosions because there was no sequence and the timing was in indicative of demo explosions. Demo explosives are detonated at the beginning of the collapse, not i10 minutes, 20 minutes nor 30 minutes before a collapse.

You can review the WTC videos you will see that there is not on peep from a demo explosion. Explosions were heard long after the WTC buildings collapsed and that is not indicative of demo explosions. Firefighters and others later attributed the sound of explosions to exploding gas lines, floors pancaking down upon one another, the aircraft impact, falling elevators, and even bodies striking the ground.

Molten aluminum was seen flowing from the northeast corner of WTC2, which is where much of the aluminum airframe of United 175 came to rest. Molten aluminum coming in contact with water will generate explosions and there was a lot of water from broken water lines and tons of molten aluminum from the airfames of the 9/11 aircraft freely flowing within those buildings. The fires raging within those buildings generated temperatures above the melting point of aluminum and at the temperature where steel weakens and unable to support their structural loads, which was evident in Thailand where steel frame buildings collapsed in 2 hours due to fire.

Demolition experts working on another project have stated for the record that they heard no demo explosions, which is backed by the fact that no demo explosions were detected by their seismic monitors. The only way demo explosives can be effective is if they are firmly attached to the steel columns, and if they are detonated while firmly attached, they will send signals down the steel columns and into the ground where they will be detected by the seismic monitors, but no such signals were detected as the WTC buildings collapsed and no such signals were detected before, nor after the collapse of those buildings.

If demo explosives are not firmly attached to steel columns, the blast waves will simply flow around steel columns like wind flowing around a flag pole and the following photo depicts where happens when explosives are not attached firmly to the steel columns. In the following photo, you will notice steel columns of WTC1 standing within the huge bomb crate after the 1993 bombing.

Photo of Steel Columns Standing in Bomb Crater

Videos now could easily be edited either for or against these things,...

You are correct because recently, truthers posted known hoaxed videos of WTC1 and WTC7 where demo explosions were added. I had to post the original videos because none of the original WTC videos depicted demo explosions. In addition, no evidence of demo explosive hardware was ever found by clean-up crews in the rubble at ground zero.

... so that doesn't leave much else except for whistle blowers coming forth. (If any of them are still alive that is.)

There will be no whistle blowers because it would have been impossible to properly prepare the WTC buildings for demolition and not draw a lot of attention by those occupying the buildings who would be suffering from high noise levels and environmental hazards in the air.

Once again, there were no demo explosions in the WTC buildings.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Explosions were heard long after the WTC buildings collapsed and that is not indicative of demo explosions.

Yeah right...

These firefighters were in the middle of the event and found a public phone to call loved ones...
the second tower had not collapsed yet and this is what they heard:



There is no way that concussive explosion was some "tank" or other lame explanation...


That is high explosives going off indicative of demolition...

a reply to: coastlinekid

That was not a demo explosion. A demo explosion would have been detected on a seismic monitor and that is not indicative of demo explosion sequencing, which means that the sound had nothing to do with demo explosives.

In addition, firefighters also reported exploding gas lines, which of course, had nothing to do with explosives. In fact, there were explosions at the World Trade Center in 1992 and 1993 that had nothing to do with explosives, and one additional explosion in 1993 was the result of a hgue bomb, which failed to affect the steel columns standing within the bomb crater.

To futher add, manhole explosions are very common in New York City, which is why I have stated for the record that the sound of explosions is not automatic evidence that explosives were responsible. The fact the explosions long before, and long after the collapse of the WTC buildings and the fact that no demo explosions were detected are indicators that no demo explosives were responsible.

In addition, molten aluminum was present inside the WTC buidlings and what happens when molten aluminum comes into contact with water? Huge explosions are the result, which once again, is another reason why I has stated that the sound of explosions does not prove the explosions were the result of explosives.

There is no way that concussive explosion was some "tank" or other lame explanation...

Even structural failures sound like explosions and here is an example. Go to time lines: 0:42 and 0:45 in the following video.



What did you hear at those two time lines?

Now, let's go here.

Did experts on the scene think WTC 7 was a controlled demolition?

Whom should we ask to find out if WTC 7’s collapse resembled an explosive demolition? How about asking the explosive demolition experts who were on the scene on 9/11? Brent Blanchard of Protec:

"Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 from within a few hundred feet of the event.

We have spoken with several who possess extensive experience in explosive demolition, and all reported seeing or hearing nothing to indicate an explosive detonation precipitating the collapse.

As one eyewitness told us, "We were all standing around helpless...we knew full well it was going to collapse. Everyone there knew. You gotta remember there was a lot of confusion and we didn't know if another plane was coming...but I never heard explosions like demo charges.

* Controlled Demolition Inc

* D.H. Griffin Companies

* Mazzocchi Wrecking

* Gateway Demolition

* Yannuzzi Demolition & Disposal

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September 21, 2001
Fire, Not Extra Explosives, Doomed Buildings, Expert Says

A New Mexico explosives expert says he now believes there were no explosives in the World Trade Center towers, contrary to comments he made the day of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack.

"Certainly the fire is what caused the building to fail," said Van Romero, a vice president at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.

The day of the attack, Romero told the Journal the towers' collapse, as seen in news videotapes, looked as though it had been triggered by carefully placed explosives.

Subsequent conversations with structural engineers and more detailed looks at the tape have led Romero to a different conclusion.

Romero supports other experts, who have said the intense heat of the jet fuel fires weakened the skyscrapers' steel structural beams to the point that they gave way under the weight of the floors above.

That set off a chain reaction, as upper floors pancaked onto lower ones.

hugequestions.com...

There are certain characteristics evident when demo explosives are detonated and none of those characteristics were evident at ground zero. Now, let's go here.

Craig Carlsen: Firefighter

Craig Carlsen said that he and other firefighters “heard explosions coming from the south tower

...there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.

www.911myths.com...


Predicting the Next Deadly Manhole Explosion

Every so often in New York City, a disk of cast iron weighing up to 300 pounds will burst out of the street and fly as high as several stories before clattering back to the blacktop. Flames, smoke or both may issue from the breach, as if somebody had pulled hell’s own pop-top

Manhole explosions aren’t just spectacular; they’re dangerous. As one firefighter observed after a manhole exploded near Times Square in May: “It’s not Disneyland, people. Get the hell out of the way.”

www.wired.com...


Manhole Explosions Set Cars On Fire In SoHo

December 29, 2012 4:22 PM

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Several cars were ablaze on Prince Street in SoHo Saturday afternoon, after a series of explosions in manholes below.

I will reiterate that the sound of explosions is not automatic evidence that explosives were responsible and there was no sequencing of demo explosions in any video, which debunks claims the explosions were the result of demo explosives, which also explains why demo explosions were not detected by seismic monitors in the area. They detected the aircraft impacts and collapse of the WTC buildings, but no demo explosions were detected.

All sorts of things in sealed containers will 'pop' when subjected to fire, even a can of soup or beans and also consider portable fire extinguishers for more dramatic failures. There are no 'building shattering' explosions evident apart from the planes' impacts which is what led to the whole thermite/thermate/nanothermite theory in the first place. A few puffs of smoke coming out of broken windows in a collapsing burning building are proof of nothing other than fire.

Demolition explosives would have been clearly audible on the other side of the river and felt in the gut for those in downtown Manhattan. There were none.

a reply to: Pilgrum

Demolition explosives would have been clearly audible on the other side of the river and felt in the gut for those in downtown Manhattan. There were none.

Exactly!!

Wrong... this video speaks for itself. The reaction of the reporter and guest speaks volumes...

a reply to: wildb

Wrong... this video speaks for itself. The reaction of the reporter and guest speaks volumes...

Apparently, you failed to realize that your video is bogus and to prove my point, please point out to us all, the time lines where demo explosions are heard as WTC7 collapses.



About those explosions people heard, let's take an example what it could have been.

Manhole Explosions Set Cars On Fire In SoHo

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Several cars were ablaze on Prince Street in SoHo Saturday afternoon, after a series of explosions in manholes below.

Or,

Craig Carlsen said that he and other firefighters “heard explosions coming from the south tower

...there were about ten explosions...At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.

Explosions have occurred before at the World Trade Center and manhole explosions in New York City are common. To sum it up, there is no evidence that demo explosives were used to bring down the WTC buildings. The sound of explosions is not evidence that explosives were used given the fact that some firefighters have pointed out that there were also gas line explosions, which was revealed last year on TV during an NBC news playback.

a reply to: wildb

Electrical Fire Hurts 6 at Trade Center

July 24, 1992
An air-conditioning transformer five stories below the World Trade Center caught fire after an explosion last night, the authorities said. Six people were injured, none of them seriously, but the 110-story twin towers did not have to be evacuated, the authorities said.

The fire was first reported at 10:02 P.M. in a 13,000-volt transformer in the Trade Center's refrigeration plant, which provides air conditioning and ventilation for the complex, the Fire Department and the Port Authority said. The electrical fire, which went to three alarms, was brought under control at 11:24 P.M., said a Fire Department official, Lieutenant Erick Weekes.


The Day The World Shook

February 26, 1993
It started like most other days. A 4 A.M. wake up, coffee and a buttered roll while driving to work at the Manhattan Central Office. At 12:18 P.M., lunch was being served when we received a call via a street alarm box at the corner of West & Liberty Streets. At the same time Engine Company 10, whose quarters are across the street from the World Trade Center, called us via radio and reported a possible transformer vault explosion on West Street near the Trade Center.

Transformer vault (also called manhole) explosions are fairly common place in Manhattan,

www.fdnewyork.com...

The sound of explosions was not evidence that explosives were responsible because the sound of explosions at the WTC was later attributed to things that had nothing to do with explosives, which is backed by the fact no evidence of explosives was ever found at the WTC.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

Well that explains why it collapses straight into the centre then, thanks for clearing that up.

Oh and the explosions heard. Nah, no explosions people were just confused right? . . . . . Right? I find that you think fire brought this building down very interesting. It doesn't matter how 'heavily damaged' a building is, it doesn't collapse into it's own footprint. Also, fire doesn't collapse buildings. You should know that, oh nut on 9/11 fire did a 300% turn and did indeed, according to you, destroy three buildings. Care to show any more buildings collapsed into their footprints because of fire please?
I find it beyond comprehension that you do think it would. Seriously. That's utter lunacy if you ask me....

a reply to: Joneselius

Oh and the explosions heard. Nah, no explosions people were just confused right?

That's right! Check it out.

The Elevator Man's Tale

What we heard was 6 and 7 car free-falling from the 107th floor and they impacted the basement at B-2 Level. And that’s the explosion that filled the lobby within a matter of two or three seconds, engulfed the lobby in dust, smoke.

Jay Swithers

An ambulance pulled up which was very clean, S0 I assumed that the vehicle had not been in the what I thought was an explosion at the time, but was the first collapse.


Dominick Derubbio

t was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other. So this guys is guessing that the explosions were floors pancaking.


Craig Carlsen

Craig Carlsen said that he and other firefighters “heard explosions coming from . . . the south tower

...there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.

I might add that manhole explosions are common in New York City and that non-bomb related explosions have occurred at the WTC even before 9/11.

Electrical Fire Hurts 6 at Trade Center

July 24, 1992
An air-conditioning transformer five stories below the World Trade Center caught fire after an explosion last night, the authorities said.


The Day The World Shook

February 26, 1993
"...Engine Company 10, whose quarters are across the street from the World Trade Center, called us via radio and reported a possible transformer vault explosion on West Street near the Trade Center.

Transformer vault (also called manhole) explosions are fairly common place in Manhattan, especially during wet weather. They're highly visible and normally generate numerous telephone calls to the Central Office.

www.fdnewyork.com...

Once again, the sound of explosions does not automatically translate into the use of explosives.

a reply to: skyeagle409

The sound of explosions was not evidence that explosives were responsible because the sound of explosions at the WTC was later attributed to things that had nothing to do with explosives, which is backed by the fact no evidence of explosives was ever found at the WTC.

I disagree. Your statement is untrue.

There were over 500 credible eyewitness who went on public record stating they saw, heard, and some survived being in the explosions in the WTC.

You have no evidence to support such a claim, however the Truth movement does have the evidence that you continue to ignore.

a reply to: Informer1958

I am right on the money and to prove my point, the challenge for you is to prove me wrong with scientific evidence.

a reply to: skyeagle409

There were over 500 credible eyewitness who went on public record stating they saw, heard, and some survived being in the explosions in the WTC.

This alone proves you wrong.

a reply to: Informer1958

Nope, it proves me correct when I said that the explosions they heard are not evidence that demo explosives were used. That was evident by the fact the explosions are not in sequence nor in the proper timing sequence that would have indicated the explosions were the result of demo explosives.

Add to the fact that no demo explosions are heard nor seen in videos as the WTC buildings collapsed, which explains why seismic monitors did not detect demo explosions and why no demo explosive hardware was ever found in the rubble of the WTC buildings.

We can further extend those facts to the lack of secondary explosions as the 9/11 aircraft slammed into WTC1 and WTC2 and during impact damaged incurred to WTC7 as WTC1 collapsed. In fact, there are no secondary explosions as any of the WTC buildings collapsed.

Let's remember, I have posted comments from firefighters who reported hearing explosions, but later attributed the sound of explosions they heard to things that had nothing to do with explosives such as pancaking floors, exploding gas lines, falling elevator cars.

Nope, it proves me correct when I said that the explosions they heard are not evidence that demo explosives were used. That was evident by the fact the explosions are not in sequence nor in the proper timing sequence that would have indicated the explosions were the result of demo explosives.

False , plenty of people witnessed this..

Add to the fact that no demo explosions are heard nor seen in videos as the WTC buildings collapsed, which explains why seismic monitors did not detect demo explosions and why no demo explosive hardware was ever found in the rubble of the WTC buildings.

False again, we know for a fact bombs were in the sub levels and there is seismic data that supports this..


BASEMENT AND LOBBY DAMAGE
It is noted that the damage caused by these explosi
ons had previously been attributed to aircraft
impact. However, refutation of this is provided by
both the testimonies of William Rodriguez in the
above link, and by NYFD Lieutenant William Walsh in
the below link. This concerns specifically
the middle, local elevators that were blown off the
ir hinges
from below, as evidenced by the doors
resting outward at 45 degree angles that met in the
middle near the bottom. These local elevators
serviced only Floors 34 down to the lowest level of
the building, Level B6 in the basement. They
could not have been the result of aircraft impact
:
www.journalof911studies.com...

www.washingtonsblog.com...

Let's remember, I have posted comments from firefighters who reported hearing explosions, but later attributed the sound of explosions they heard to things that had nothing to do with explosives such as pancaking floors, exploding gas lines, falling elevator cars

Misleading statement, There were plenty who did, there was no pancaking, and no there was no explosive hardware found because they did not look for it, if you don't look you don't find...another misleading statement..