Please do not call yourselves Christians any more.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I understand but a war zone is different from being homeless.
Heck this should kick us all up the arse to take care of everyone but that would be the evil socialism wouldn't it?.
i would gladly give 10p per pound tax to help out all these folk be it homeless or refugees.
It really is fecked up isn't it?.
Just vote for me for world president when the time comes I will sort it.

I bet the top 10 richest people in the world could sort out all this but do they?.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

i have a friend who signed one of those iffy second mortgages back before 2008. they took his checks but didn't cash them, then claimed he wasn't making payments and tried to repossess the home that had a good deal of equity in it already. he's been fighting them ever since. he should write a book on it, it's that convulted and jaw droppingly corrupt.

a reply to: boymonkey74

I totally understand. Didn't mean to say "Americans need cared for first!" (Americans DO need to be cared for, but so do the refugees and immigrants and anyone else who comes here - or is here - and doesn't have adequate circumstances for survival).

They ALL need to be cared for. The 1% could clothe, house, feed, and provide medical care for every single person on this planet. I recall not long ago someone asked the Apple CEO (or some other exec) why Apple was sitting on $15 Billion dollars or something.....
and the guy said something like: "It's not our job to fix the problems."
www.nytimes.com...

So - my point is....immigrants and refugees and needy people EVERYWHERE are....everywhere.
Socialism takes care of that.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Wolfie smith power to the people! .

originally posted by: muse7
Please don't

You're not a Christian. You don't practice anything of what Jesus preached.

You all belong to the Church of Greed. You'd rather knock down the ladder of opportunity that your ancestors climbed, than to let another immigrant climb it to have the same opportunities your ancestors had.

You'd rather label all of those refugees as terrorists than to welcome them with open arms, or with a glass of water, or with a bite of food. You don't care about anyone as long as you have yours. Right?

Why are you all so entitled? What makes any of you more special than those refugees fleeing war? What makes you deserve to live a comfortable life without the worries of war, or genocide but not them?

If we are to believe that every man is created equal then every man, woman and child have the right to seek out a better life.

There seems to be a new narrative being pushed, and that narrative is to hate on other people that are fleeing war.

That's not right.

You call it an "invasion", but I call it mass migration. The same type of mass migration that has occurred through out Human history. Just people migrating to other lands to seek out better opportunities. It's human nature. If you were in the same circumstances you would have done the same and so would I.

It's so easy to sit there and to say that they should just "stay and fight for their land". How many of you have had to make that decision? Most of you reading this were lucky enough to have been born in a nice country and none of you have had to fight in a civil war, and let me just say that voluntarily serving in the military does NOT equal staying behind and fighting in a civil war and running the risk of your family getting blown to pieces in the midst of a civl war.

This refugee/migrant hatred is getting ridiculous and I'm ashamed of my fellow Human beings that spout those sentiments.

But I still have a little hope.

Ah, more bigoted hate speech full of over generalization of millions of people coming from somebody who just wants equality for everyone, ya, that sounds about right..............

a reply to: muse7

Another Christian bash thread that will bring all the same Atheist members together all to star and agree with each other.

Really all Christians are evil people and don't wanna help anyone? WTF are you doing about it? an ATS thread with nice pictures and nice word about refugees? While I support helping others in need, not all of these people have good intentions

and no im not Christian

a reply to: muse7

one thing I've learned about progressives is the need for progressives to talk about how much more progressive they are then everyone else

a reply to: JDmOKI

Jesus told his followers to be a shining light in a world of darkness. Christians are meant to be judged by that standard, not to judge others Jesus already proclaimed that all governments belong to satan when he was tempted in the wilderness. I am not a christian, but I have been reading the Bible since a kid. It is like christians have forgotten who the real enemy is. Hunger, war, oppression.

If the bible verses the OP is claiming many are hypocrites over were studied correctly and placed in proper context the OP would know that it does not apply to the Body of Christ. But very few Bible scholars even know how to properly study their bibles so what makes the OP think he can?

a reply to: muse7

Really? Illegal immigration is not the path anyone should be taking.

You sit in your warm home, eating your warm food but then blame us for not taking in law breakers? How many have you taken in? How many have you fed or clothed?

You sound like a thief taking what is not yours. Do you actually feel people are entitled to my stuff but not yours? What kind of joke are you telling us here?

This isn't abut immigration is it? Its about your daily need to bash Christians.. Keep gnashing those teeth..

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Nothing cryptic or hard to understand about these scriptures.

Matthew 25:35
For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.

Job 31:32
but no stranger had to spend the night in the street, for my door was always open to the traveler

Isaiah 58:7
Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter-- when you see the naked, to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?

I know, I sit here with running water, food, shelter, clothing, but not rich enough to a damn thing about any of this # going on. The only thing I have is my voice. My internet voice is actually pretty risk free, cheap and easy to use.

I'm not a Christian, but I grew up with Christian values, and I still cling to many of those values. I don't understand why some Christians use their voice to make excuses for their short comings instead of promoting the teachings of "Christ" and Christian values.

a reply to: windword

If you have the nerve to call out everyone else for not being Christian enough, you have enough to provide these "poor people" a place to stay.

Please provide your self-righteous address for all to see so that the less fortunate can partake in all you generously offer..

Oh, and one more thing.. Take the plank out of your own eye before speaking of the speck of dust in ours..

a reply to: CoffeeTeaMe

You're just proving my point. You're making excuses for why you can't follow "Christ's" teachings by pointing at others to distract from your own inability to preach peace, hope and charity. These are Christian values. At the very least, you can support those that do.

This whole thing is a test. A joke. You have the right to die as a martyr. Devils that be are laughing. We've got the same bad peace and unimaginable suffering in the north Korea and evil wars in the meantime. Are you allowed not to act to keep your purity and personal salvation if you can save tens of innocent by killing one idiot with a AK-47 on the beach?
Are you praying for your enemies - the IS murderers? Are you supposed to pray for their lost souls between the killshots? Shall a Buddhist kill a few parasites to save a cat? Do you help enough?
Always a catch! I like the movie Constantine.(spoiler He keeps fighting evil even when he knows he can't make it to heaven anymore and in the end he saves one soul from hell by commiting a suicide and makes it to heaven. (Lol)
We all should have helped these people to be able to return home and stay safe in the first place. Making a religion test out of it was evil. Do what you feel is good. Don't do what you feel is evil or what God told you is evil. Will God judge us for using a common sense? Maybe not if we don't forget to use a heart too. I'm sick of it and it's most likely just a beginning.
You have the point here. Keep helping others no matter what. Keep running or dying if you reject violence. It's a privilege in the end. The spirit of your murderers won't make it to heaven. The heaven is living in you.

a reply to: windword

I was not indicating there was anything cryptic about the scriptures in question, the Bible says to rightly divide the word of Truth.

There is a study division between the OT and the NT

there is a study division between Israel as a Nation and the current body of Christ.

there is a study division between what was taught after the cross and before the cross

There is a study division between the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the grace of God.

Number one rule to spiritually discern and understand the scriptures is to be SAVED.

I have good values and I am a Christian. But not all the teaching of Christ is for the Body of Christ today. What ever Jesus Taught and Paul restated then that is for us today. But there are some teachings strictly for Israel

2 timothy 2:15

a reply to: ChesterJohn

But there are some teachings strictly for Israel

Hospitality isn't one of them.

Matthew 25:35
For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.

You don't get be like "Sodom" just because you're not "Israel".

Ezekiel 16:49
Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

Luke 10;10
But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
This is not a nice thing to say about the self perceived custodians of morals and ethics

You are apparently unaware that it is the secular humanists, the socialists, the Progressives who have cornered the market on knowing what is morally best for all of us. They have proven it with their ever-increasing oh-so-successful social engineering, welfare state programs and school indoctrina.........uh uh basically taking over and running all our children's lives cradle to grave....

a reply to: muse7

There there now.... feel better after your primal scream?

Now to give a real answer to your post, the issue at hand, balancing compassion and selfless giving with practicality and realism...in the issue of refugees...
In as much as Paul admonished the Corinthians to be their brother's keeper, he also told the Galatians that every man shall bear his own burden. There are plenty of interpretations of these scriptural admonishments, and one has to take them in context.
Le's get to the heart of the matter here... on one hand we have the socialist's answer to everything...bigger government and an endless supply of someone else's money. That is the mode of socialism, to demand and forcibly take the money from hard working people and the wealthy alike in order to solve all these social issues. There are never enough issues to deal with and never enough money to deal with them...that ought to tell us something right there.
On the other hand we have the Capitalist free market way, liberty in taking care of one's self, taking care of our own lives and responsibilities, having the freedom to make our lives better and to help make other's lives better through personal charitable means.
Socialism does not work, and forcibly making people give up the fruits of their labor is not only terribly unjust, but it is not true charity from either the perspective of government or the people. It is a bandaid as well.
Your socialist utopia is neither realistic nor is it even truly achievable. The Soviet Union proved that.
We can take in refugees from many places, and we do but there is such a thing as naivete in thinking that if we just take all these refugees then we will be really good people and everyone will be all better. It isn't going to happen like that. I haven't even gotten into the whole terrorist aspect of this.
Leftists know people have an inherent wish to help others and thus they use that to heap guilt upon us in expecting us to deal with all these refugees migrant workers etc etc etc etc when all the while they know their true motive is not really to help them but to further their goals. Thus there is bad karma and the corrosiveness and corruption that we are seeing everywhere.
We know already that bad people can and are being smuggled in...
Going on a hateful rampage against Christians is not going to change any of this.
It is truly a pitiful tactic used to guilt people into doing their bidding....sorry but this rant of yours really takes the cake.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

The Good News is not that complicated. That is why there are no more real christian teachers after Billy Graham retired. Not even his son. The churches have become the pharisees and sadducees of Jesus' time. Legalists.