NLBS 3.01 - Let's Look at those Center For Medical Progress Planned Parenthood Videos

originally posted by: libertytoall
That was the longest confabulation ever written. You have obviously paid no attention to the material and just to inform you of the slice and diced videos, their full version counterparts are readily available without any slicing and dicing just in case you feel like seeking the truth rather than inserting your own fictional explanation.

Planned Parenthood Videos Were Altered, Analysis Finds

The reviewers looked both at edited videos that are about eight minutes to 15 minutes long and at what Mr. Daleiden said were full-length recordings, some more than two hours long, that he released simultaneously.

A transcription service was hired to transcribe the videos, without being told that Planned Parenthood was the client, to compare with transcripts publicized by the anti-abortion group. That comparison, the analysis said, showed “substantive omissions” in the group’s version. Mr. Simpson was assisted in the analysis by several others, including a video forensics expert, Grant Fredericks, and a television producer, Scott Goldie.

According to the investigation, the reviewers could not determine “the extent to which C.M.P.’s undisclosed edits and cuts distort the meaning of the encounters the videos purport to document.”

But, it said, “the manipulation of the videos does mean they have no evidentiary value in a legal context and cannot be relied upon for any official inquiries” unless C.M.P. provides investigators with its original material, and that material is independently authenticated as unaltered.

For example, Mr. Fredericks said recordings in Houston and Denver were each missing about 30 minutes of video, judging from time stamps and frame counters on the recordings.

Those "unedited" videos have also been edited. This information came out in August, you are behind the draw here. So you are wrong.

a reply to: libertytoall

A woman can't walk into an hospital and ask for an abortion. A woman can't walk into a hospital and ask for birth control either.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: libertytoall

A woman can't walk into an hospital and ask for an abortion. A woman can't walk into a hospital and ask for birth control either.

They can't right now but we could change that, we could have easily allowed hospitals and doctors to handle these things over a racist criminal enterprise like planned parenthood.

I would like to see hospitals carry out abortions, and doctors and nurses give out birth control. Why can't children go to their school nurse?

a reply to: theNLBS

Congrats!

Your back! I love this show. The humor, the new studio, and dude... what have you done with your hair? Gimme a hint, mine is dry like a dying bush in the sommer heat.



The topic was not one of my favorites but it was quite entertaining and well presented.

Looking forward to the next one!

a reply to: libertytoall

I would like to see hospitals carry out abortions

Hospitals are not doctor's offices.

and doctors and nurses give out birth control.

Who do you think give out birth control at Planned Parenthood?

Why can't children go to their school nurse?

You want the school nurse to do pelvic exams, test for STDs and yeast infections? Do you really want the school nurse to advise young girls about their sexuality and what methods of birth control is best for them?

a reply to: libertytoall

about 10 years ago I hurt my ankle at work. getting treatment for it was too much of a strain on our family finances, to the point that I found myself without the gas money to get to work and back, so well, that among other things notable that the work was making the health problem worse, I ended up quitting the job, losing the insurance, and well, stopping the treatments. not long after that the bones in my foot snapped and I ended up in the hospital. They slapped on a splint, referred me a surgeon that then refused to do the surgery till I could come up with a few thousand dollars as a down payment. which we didn't have. it took a week of calling around to other surgeons to no avail and well eventually a call by my husbands boss to a state senator with that senator calling the surgeon that the hospital referred me to that convince the surgeon to do the surgery.....

don't tell me that the emergency rooms and hospitals will treat you no matter what. I know better!

uproxx.com...

but I do really look forward to the future advertisements....
"Free year's supply of birth control with every liposuction!! Get thin, stay thin today!!"

oh yes, we can do without planned parenthood, the er's can take over, the plastic surgeons can take over, heck get your reproductive care needs taken care of while you wait for your prescription eyeglasses to be filled!!! Get your pap smear on your next visit to see granny at the nursing home.

In one-fifth of the 491 counties in which Planned Parenthood centers are located, a Planned Parenthood site is the only safety net family planning center available. In two-thirds of those 491 counties, Planned Parenthood serves at least half of the women who get their contraception from safety net health centers.

rhrealitycheck.org...

heck maybe the republicans are just trying to increase the amount of fetal tissue on the market, after all less availability to contraception is more than likely going to lead to more abortions.

a reply to: TechniXcality

I believe in what I believe but not so much that I feel entitled to enforce my beliefs in a Gestapo manner

Tough issue, but I do believe abortion is as bad if not worse than slavery which ultimately led to a civil war. If it truly is murder(or if slaves really are people), seems like the right thing to do would be take some action against it.

The SCOTUS is hardly an out, killing Jews in Germany ok(ie not taking any action) because the govt(or anybody) says so?

The current legalization of 3rd trimester/partial birth abortions leaves no doubt to the moral state of our society. As it is now, location defines when life begins.

I certainly dont blame anyone for taking action

a reply to: 111DPKING111

The current legalization of 3rd trimester/partial birth abortions leaves no doubt to the moral state of our society.

You should know that "partial birth abortions" have been federally banned and illegal in the USA since 2003. www.law.cornell.edu...

Also. why do you think a woman and her doctor would agree to the abortion of 3rd trimester fetus?

I'll tell you why........because the fetus is catastrophically deformed or diseased, and/or its distress is risking the life of mother, possible sending her in to septic shock or worse.

a reply to: windword

You should know that "partial birth abortions" have been federally banned and illegal in the USA since 2003. www.law.cornell.edu...

There are ways around it.

Also. why do you think a woman and her doctor would agree to the abortion of 3rd trimester fetus?

I'll tell you why........because the fetus is catastrophically deformed or diseased, and/or its distress is risking the life of mother, possible sending her in to septic shock or worse.

Perhaps, but its a slippery slope. Are we willing to let murders continue on perfectly normal babies as a consequence?

link

According to Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers (1997), and other sources, it appears that partial-birth abortions are performed 3,000 to 5,000 times annually. (Even those numbers may be low.) Based on published interviews with numerous abortionists, and interviews with Fitzsimmons in 1997, the “vast majority” of partial-birth abortions are performed in the fifth and sixth months of pregnancy, on healthy babies of healthy mothers.
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a reply to: 111DPKING111

on other words they're lying??
just like the doctors in peru were lying as far as many were concerned on ATS when the doctors, nurses, and parent of the a young preteen girl in peru pregnant with twins from rape said the pregnancy was threatening her life? the twins were eventually aborted against the wishes of the catholic church who then proceeded to excommunicate everyone involved in the abortion outside of the young girl...... and the rapist!!!

it's nice to know that it's a bigger sin to save a young girls life than it is to rape that young child and endanger her life to begin with.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

There are ways around it.

No! Abortion "in utero" is NOT a "way around" partial birth abortion, it's the goal!

Also. why do you think a woman and her doctor would agree to the abortion of 3rd trimester fetus?

I'll tell you why........because the fetus is catastrophically deformed or diseased, and/or its distress is risking the life of mother, possible sending her in to septic shock or worse.

Perhaps, but its a slippery slope. Are we willing to let murders continue on perfectly normal babies as a consequence?

link

Nope. Not a slippery slope. Partial birth abortions have been illegal since 2003, except to save the live of the mother.

www.law.cornell.edu...
Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.

So tired of these "in house" commentators hogging the front page for days and days...share with people who have "REAL" topics, who put in the work and NOT get paid for it. This is the reason jack a$$ politicians always win...popularity and a$$ kissing. Let the little people out here have some sunlight. Only 8 pages, and yet this topic still sits at the top of ATS after a week. This is favoritism. WE want fresh material...I'm ust the only one who will actually say it. $

but the story isn't over yet, there's new facts coming to light just about every day.

remember the florida investigation that these tapes triggered? The initial report from that investigation claimed that three clinics performed unlicensed second-trimester abortions and that one did not follow its own guidelines for the disposal of fetal remains. But once Planned Parenthood filed a lawsuit over it, well, the unlicensed second trimester abortions were redefined as being just misreported.

Then came out the fact that a major item in that report was edited out of it that said there is no evidence of the mishandling of fetal remains at any of the 16 clinics we investigated across the state.” when recent emails were revealed.

And now there is this story:

Florida Official Resigns Amid Email Controversy Over Planned Parenthood A top communications official for Florida Gov. Ricks Scott’s administration who reportedly questioned the decision to scrub a finding that Planned Parenthood was in compliance with state rules has resigned.

www.buzzfeed.com...

a reply to: dawnstar

Why is it that the pro-life side is the only side that keeps being found out for wrong doing, but the investigation efforts never swing in their direction? The spotlight never waivers from being on Planned Parenthood. Such a farce...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

ya they are so focused on planned parenthood....

here's a fact they should consider....

Executives from the tissue brokering companies told House committee staff that they paid Planned Parenthood affiliates $45 to $60 per specimen to cover clinic costs and that they obtain all donor consents required by state law and research institutions, according to a memo from Democrats on the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

The Democrats’ memo does not delve into fees the companies charge researchers for specimens, but a StemExpress invoice from 2013 shows the company charged Colorado State University $250 for a fetal liver and $250 for a fetal thymus, plus $85 for priority overnight shipping. Per-specimen fees charged to researchers by Advanced Bioscience Resources range from $340 to $550, depending on processing costs.

nypost.com...

and yet, it's planned parenthood making a ton of money off of this??? really??

farce really isn't a strong enough description of it. I think those who have labeled it a conspiracy and file a RICO lawsuit over this is more in line to what it is... and some lawmakers are part of that conspiracy I believe.

but well, I notice that now that the videos are getting the kind of results they want and more and more facts are coming out to discredit the whole thing, people just don't seem to want to talk about it anymore. Maybe we've all just exhausted from the debate. There's another possiblity though, now that the facts are coming out, the investigations are finding basically nothing to support the claims, they want to bury the story, so only their version is remembered.
I don't want that to happen.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: dawnstar

Why is it that the pro-life side is the only side that keeps being found out for wrong doing, but the investigation efforts never swing in their direction? The spotlight never waivers from being on Planned Parenthood. Such a farce...

Why is it that Carly Fiorina used the CMP videos during the GOP debate, and felt the need to lie about their content and exaggerate stories completely outside of reality? She made claims that went above and beyond the horrific lies that CMP was accusing of Planned Parenthood, claiming that PP keeps healthy live intact aborted fetus alive and kicking. so that they can harvest their brains!

PRO LIFE LIARS!

another good article to present to those who wish to check it out....

The Economic Case for Planned Parenthood
www.newsweek.com...

Public investments in family planning—enabling women to plan, delay, or avoid pregnancy– make economic sense, because reproductive rights are also productive rights. When women have control over their lives, they can contribute even more to the economy, better break the glass ceiling, equalize the pay gap and much more.

I like that, Productive Rights, like, shouldn't we all have the right to decide just how we are to be productive members of our society, and well, not be limited to just producing more and more kids that we are then expected to devout every minute to raising and caring for?

the article also points out this fact:

Nationally, evidence shows that public investments in family planning result in net public savings of about $13.6 billion a year—over $7 for every public dollar spent.

so, how many billions have we put into the wars, and what was the net public savings on that one, or did it just cost us more money in the form of disabled vets, angry middle easterners, and a giant unmanageable refugee crisis?

but well none of this will overshadow the image of the poor little premature baby that Fiorina was referring to that quite frankly no one really knows what the story behind that insertion into the CMP videos is really, but it was inserted into it and came from a source that wasn't CMP. No one can prove that that little baby had it's brains cut out by planned parenthood staff, or anyone else.

Have you really followed the criminality beyond left wing media sites or left wing panels of nonsense?




When PP was under criminal investigation for more than 80 counts of criminal action, they simply pulled a hillary clinton by shredding evidence. The left continues to lie cheat and ruin every fabric of society. I'm not a right wing republican but my god have the left done enough damage, not only by themselves but through all their cheating criminal organizations like PP and Acorn and countless others before them.. Lie, cheat, steal, murder, with a smile. That's a Democrat.

first and last time i have either seen your show. just another government shill touting the current liberal propaganda. kind of funny how when bush was in power ATS was mostly filled with conservative propaganda.

What?? When bush was in office this place was all about dethroning him and casting him as a dictator...

ATS is impartial when it comes to political figures.

a reply to: jkramer