Official spokesperson from Secret Space program about "big picture", Aug 31/15 (Randy Cramer)?

a reply to: InhaleExhale

That's nice. Let's get back on topic, please.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

In this video Randy goes into his life time travel and the technology available to our secret space forces.

Thank you FormoftheLord. I haven't watched that one yet. Most of his videos are very interesting, he is extremely intelligent and articulate, and confident as well.

What do you make of the way Randy vs Corey are being covered by the alternative media? Corey seems to be getting more coverage, yet their information is quite similar, some covers different but related areas, but none that I have heard so far contradicts the other. Do you think Corey gets more attention because he puts more focus on the spiritual message while Randy does not?

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

This guy is clearly a nutjob!

originally posted by: Korg Trinity
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

This guy is clearly a nutjob!

I'm curious as to why you would say that. He does look at little odd in that picture, but if you watch any of his videos, he comes across as highly articulate, intelligent, and at times hilarious, and is probably one of the most sane people I've ever watched if you ignore only the subject manner and look at the rest of the picture.

Does this look like the website of a nutjob?

Randy Cramer website

It looks incredibly professional and well put-together.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

very good videos!
i see on ats distinct groups of people.
one group believes nothing strange or weird can ever happen here, and if it does, even proof will be called hoax.
another group..for some reason believes everything, without using common sense to dissect the thread.
yet another group will follow the stars...they will side with who has the most, right or wrong.
im with the group that has an open mind...ive watched the videos and read all the responses.
i really dont see anything here that is so unbelievable...great thread, thank you

That guy is full of crap. Randy Cramer. BS meter going off loudly.

a reply to: texasyeti

what makes you say that?

a reply to: autopat51

im with the group that has an open mind...ive watched the videos and read all the responses.
i really dont see anything here that is so unbelievable...great thread, thank you

So, you see something believable? Or are you completely ambivalent? You just don't give a damn?

In that case, I'm in the same category. I don't really give a damn. The difference may be though, that I don't see anything particularly believable.

originally posted by: autopat51
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

very good videos!
i see on ats distinct groups of people.
one group believes nothing strange or weird can ever happen here, and if it does, even proof will be called hoax.
another group..for some reason believes everything, without using common sense to dissect the thread.
yet another group will follow the stars...they will side with who has the most, right or wrong.
im with the group that has an open mind...ive watched the videos and read all the responses.
i really dont see anything here that is so unbelievable...great thread, thank you

Thanks for the post!

Yes, use of discernment is key. There are certainly topics on ATS that I may disagree with, but I try to remain open minded as I realize given that we have really only been a technological society for less than one century there is probably a ton of science and knowledge we have yet to discover about the universe. I'm yet to be 100% convinced of Randy Cramer's info, but like you, I think most of it seems possible.

When discussing types on ATS remember that IF this info is true, or even some of it is true, it has been heavily suppressed in society, in the media, education, government, the military etc - and it follows again IF it is true there would be those out there tasked with keeping the secrets, suppressing it, lying about it, denying it - and of course it would be no surprise that some of those "types" would be on ATS.

a reply to: autopat51

what makes you say that?

What makes you say he isn't?

The man's lies have been shown, yet a few seem to want to cling to his tall tale and ignore the actual facts about him.

I say he is full of it because his supposed CO retired long before he was supposedly under his command...and well all he is doing is trying to make a living off of the gullible that pay to hear his and I will say it again...tall tale.

a reply to: autopat51

i see on ats distinct groups of people.
one group believes nothing strange or weird can ever happen here, and if it does, even proof will be called hoax.

You may need to get your distinction process an overhaul...because you are wrong.

another group..for some reason believes everything, without using common sense to dissect the thread.

And some forget to use it when making threads.

yet another group will follow the stars...they will side with who has the most, right or wrong.

Possibly...but most likely not.

im with the group that has an open mind...ive watched the videos and read all the responses.

And that means you don't have an open mind if you don't do that?

And having an open mind doesn't mean you can't use common sense, but it is evident many with open minds don't use it.

i really dont see anything here that is so unbelievable...great thread, thank you

So exactly what thread are you replying to, because it surely isn't the same one the rest of us are posting in?

What makes it believable?

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
and it follows again IF it is true there would be those out there tasked with keeping the secrets, suppressing it, lying about it, denying it - and of course it would be no surprise that some of those "types" would be on ATS.

Again with the accusation that other ATS members who disagree with you are disinfo agents.

Straight out of the Nancy Lieder playbook.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: autopat51

what makes you say that?

The man's lies have been shown, yet a few seem to want to cling to his tall tale and ignore the actual facts about him.

I say he is full of it because his supposed CO retired long before he was supposedly under his command...and well all he is doing is trying to make a living off of the gullible that pay to hear his and I will say it again...tall tale.

I'm sorry I missed that part, could you please re-show us the lies?

Your one point about his CO has been shown to have no bearing, phonetically similar names but spelled differently obviously isn't the same person.

I appreciate your interest in this.

However, the Major General you are referring to that died a long time ago is Julian C. SMITH, whereas the one Randy Cramer reports to is Brigadier General Julian SMYTHE, "Julian" and "Smith" / "Smythe" being common names, I'm sure if you looked over the past century or so you could find general officers with names that were similar, such as Steve Johnson/Johnston, William Kelley/Kelly, Greg McKay/Mackay - I'm sure you get the picture.

Any other points you would like to discuss?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
and it follows again IF it is true there would be those out there tasked with keeping the secrets, suppressing it, lying about it, denying it - and of course it would be no surprise that some of those "types" would be on ATS.

Again with the accusation that other ATS members who disagree with you are disinfo agents.

Straight out of the Nancy Lieder playbook.

I'm not sure why you are fixated on Nancy Leider, I certainly never bring her up. If you would like to talk about her maybe you should start a thread on her?

I never accused anyone of anything. You don't think there are any disinfo agents on the internet? Well, I think there have been many threads about that on here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I enjoy healthy, respectful debate. I dislike the tactics of disinfo agents because they are shared by obnoxious rude people, and I don't care to engage in debate with either, paid disinfo agents or obnoxious people because it is too negative and unpleasant. Sarcasm, insults, ego diminishment and emotional engagement are all hallmarks of both, disinfo agents or just nasty people. I really don't want to talk about them and if you wish to there are a multitude of threads about this.

So let me ask you a question.

Hypothetically speaking, IF some or all of this information is true, doesn't it logically follow the information has been hidden, suppressed, denied, lied about? And wouldn't some of those actions occur online and logically this website?

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE

I'm not sure why you are fixated on Nancy Leider, I certainly never bring her up.

You were talking about her yesterday:

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE

So the website that Nancy Leider runs does a good job of tracking many of the earth changes.....

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
I never accused anyone of anything. .....

Hypothetically speaking, IF some or all of this information is true, doesn't it logically follow the information has been hidden, suppressed, denied, lied about? And wouldn't some of those actions occur online and logically this website?

You can call it "hypothetical" all you want. You're accusing other ATS members who are posting on this thread of being part of a conspiracy to suppress these stories.

a reply to: DelMarvel

I was only talking about her in response to another poster bringing her up, I haven't brought her up for years, but obviously yourself and others like talking about her. I suggest you start a thread about her.

So.......you can't answer this question about Randy Cramer -

Impersonating military personnel and/or an officer is a major offence, right? So.......Randy is all over youtube and the internet claiming to be a captain of the USMC - and he has not been charged with anything, right? So how do you explain that then?

Latest Randy Cramer interview:

Topics/Questions and Answers:

@6:45

T/Q: How did MJ12 lose control over the ET situation and ET tech
A: The government as one controlling entity hasn't existed for decades. Many controlling/competing organizations within the military/intelligence/corporate communities of not only the US are acting illegally and against the constitution with regard to ET tech and working with different ET's.

@11:30

Q - what ET groups are being worked with?
A - the number is changing all the time. An EBE manual that used to have 50-60 types, which had been changed to 80-100, now has hundreds and the number keeps growing. Many of the traditional players are not who or what they say they are. For example, many people would like to focus on the "Zeta Grays" but they are gone and have been evicted from the Solar System.


@13:00
Q - what about Corey Goode and the Blue Avians?
A - Randy has heard of the Blue Avians, not sure about their claim that they are the most powerful alliance in the Solar System now, but agrees they seem to be helping in terms of overturning the situation on the planet and the rest of the Solar System


@23:00
Q - Mars Defence Force
A - Active since about the mid-1970's when the first Mars colonies were built


@28:00

T - more on Corey Goode
A - my brigadier general has said he is bringing out authentic information but the two "disclosure initiatives", that is Randy' and Corey's are not connected apart from the nature of the information

@43:10

T - On God
A - Most ET have different ideas about where they come from and their relationship to their planet, but the notion of all powerful sentient beings is kind of quaint among higher beings

@45:30

T - the genesis of the USMC special section/special code of conduct and how Randy Cramer is allowed to talk about all these supposedly "secret" topics

A - the importance of the continuity of government trumps any secrecy oaths/agreements, and USMC special section was constituted to face what Eisenhower was worried about, that we all know - the military industrial complex.

@56:20

T - on psionics

A - Don't say psychics! The laws of physics which govern thought projected into energy is called psionics.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Impersonating military personnel and/or an officer is a major offence, right?

Wrong.

So.......Randy is all over youtube and the internet claiming to be a captain of the USMC - and he has not been charged with anything, right? So how do you explain that then?

He has been all over the internet claiming to be a former captain in the Marine Corps. There is no federal law prohibiting that. He also does not wear a Marine uniform. That would be illegal.Here are the relevant statutes:

18 USC § 912 - Officer or employee of the United States
Whoever falsely assumes or pretends to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof, and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

10 USC § 771 - Unauthorized wearing prohibited
Except as otherwise provided by law, no person except a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, as the case may be, may wear— (1) the uniform, or a distinctive part of the uniform, of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps; or (2) a uniform any part of which is similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps.

Read more: www.justanswer.com...

www.justanswer.com...

If confronted, he can always claim that he is an actor who is portraying a character for entertainment purposes only. This is what telephone psychics do to avoid prosecution.

I keep hammering away at this...

There's probably 10% truth in this stuff, and the rest is nonsensical, sensationalized make-believe content to muddy the water and obfuscate the truth. It's a pretty typical tactic to hide something when tiny bits of the truth leak out.

If bits and pieces of a secret leak out what do you do? Well, one way to deal with it is just flood the world with outlandish and crazy information to confuse and bury anyone who investigates the subject.

Just turn up the noise to signal ratio and hide...

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Q: On his old main mission @36:00 and 1:15:30
A: Mostly patrol, sometimes intercept with the Solar Warden and Radiant Guardian fleets - the two Solar system fleets like the Atlantic and Pacific fleets

Are we expected to take this seriously ?

Well if you look closely at names chosen by science and military they are all gods, goddesses, fairytales, fictitious creatures and sci-fi like the Star Wars Military program so if the names are your only objection I would look deeper at the possibility they could be chosen.