Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Found in Contempt of Court - Jail

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

You may want to go to a thread about the 14th amendment, because this is not it.

originally posted by: Volund

You may want to go to a thread about the 14th amendment, because this is not it.

Yeah, it is, because her violations of other citizen's 14th Amendment rights is why she is in the slam tonight and not in her nice, comfy, rights-denying bed.

a reply to: TheNewRevolution

Because this is proceeding as planned. The 1st Amendment has died. Not with a whimper but to the sound of thunderous applause.

They don't even know what it is they are applauding because all they can see is how the victims were treated unfairly.

It's a sad day when people can't see the larger picture beyond the social issue. This is the direct butting up of the 1st against the 14th, and we see how it goes.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I can't really speak of the motives that are driving her, maybe she is sincere in her beliefs, maybe not.
I do hope that the feeling that I am getting that she was led into this by others who just wanted to push their agenda who were telling her it wouldn't get this far and are now disappearing into the night though.

but well, when it comes to conflict between laws and beliefs I kind of look at it as being a test of one's convictions. and, I've got to say this lady has one up on hobby lobby in that she is willing to stand by her convictions even when it hurts.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: neo96

Uh, corporations control governments. Who do you think writes the legislation that the members of congress vote on? Who do you think pays to get the people in congress elected? Governments are nothing more than a public front to legitimize corporate power, and give the people a false sense of power over the world.

I hear that all the time.

I know who created the Federal Reserve Act which essentially created fiat currency.

That was government.

Wealth is money that is fiat currency.

A Corporations 'power' is money that legislators created to pay themselves with.

Still going with Corporations have nothing on Government.

a reply to: neo96

And the people that created the government were rich company owners. It's cyclical dude, both exist for each other and to benefit each other.

originally posted by: ketsuko
It's a sad day when people can't see the larger picture beyond the social issue. This is the direct butting up of the 1st against the 14th, and we see how it goes.

The government does not have 1st or 14th Amendment rights which is why this clerk is in jail.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheNewRevolution

Because this is proceeding as planned. The 1st Amendment has died. Not with a whimper but to the sound of thunderous applause.

They don't even know what it is they are applauding because all they can see is how the victims were treated unfairly.

It's a sad day when people can't see the larger picture beyond the social issue. This is the direct butting up of the 1st against the 14th, and we see how it goes.

The 1st has not died, she is still free to worship her god, she has violated the 14th by not treating all folks equally, she then went on to defy the court, and thus her sorry behind is sitting in the slammer tonight.

As others have mention if a muslim DMV director instructed his employees to not issue drivers licenses to women, or a jewish USDA inspector refused to certify farms that raised pigs, or a hindu employee refused a license to a slaughter house because they destroyed his sacred cows, the whole bunch of you would have your panties in a twist.

You all go on about the constitution, but in your mind it only applies to white christians, bigot much?

Even Bill O’Reilly pointed out the hypocrisy of those who always say. “Illegal aliens are breaking the law”

Now they back this lady in her delusional crusade...she's breaking the law

This is the hypocrisy of these right-wing "Christians"

Their like spoiled little coddled brats...Huckaby and Cruz

And for those who say she should be praised fro living up to her beliefs

Do you say the same thing for nutty Jihadists who are also standing up to their beliefs

a reply to: ketsuko

I think it's the people complaining about their right to freedom of religion being trampled on that aren't looking beyond the social issue.
I mean should society just accept honor killings because some of it's members believe that they should have the right to kill their daughters and wives for whatever purpose?
If my State Commissioner of the Department of Motor Vehicles decides women shouldn't be driving and tells those who are under him to stop issuing driver's licenses to women and revoke all licenses held by women, should everyone in the state just have to accept that?
What about women's right to work?
Or the man's right to physically discipline his wife?

The gov't has no right whatsoever to pick and chose which belief is worthy of being protected and which ones can be trampled on! That is the basic message of the first amendment. It's better just to ensure that all can enjoy the same rights and priviledges and prevent those beliefs from infringing on other people's rights.

originally posted by: Willtell
Even Bill O’Reilly pointed out the hypocrisy of those who always say. “Illegal aliens are breaking the law”

Now they back this lady in her delusional crusade...she's breaking the law

This is the hypocrisy of these right-wing "Christians"

Their like spoiled little coddled brats...Huckaby and Cruz

And for those who say she should be praised fro living up to her beliefs

Do you say the same thing for nutty Jihadists who are also standing up to their beliefs

But Kim Davis is a Democrat.

Elected by Democrat voters in that County.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I'm glad to see so much support for the Federal Government for once just because its something different. You should throw them a parade praising them for jailing people who don't do their jobs. If you ever don't do your job well enough, you belong in prison too, as per your support for this woman going to jail for not doing a job.

Hero judges should just imprison people (like you) without a trial every day when they are like you and believe in imprisoning people over work quality.

People on ATS often pretend to be against the US having 2 million people in prison, but then they go and say how happy they are someone is in jail for not doing a job to their specifications. Obviously, I don't get it.

a reply to: xuenchen


I don’t think I mentioned democrat or Republican I mentioned right wing “Christians”

Who can be democrat or republican

a reply to: xuenchen

ya well, ever been to texas? many of their democrats are further right than some new york republicans.

a reply to: ketsuko

What about the rights of those people who just want a lawful marriage license

They have rights too

originally posted by: wayforward
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I'm glad to see so much support for the Federal Government for once just because its something different. You should throw them a parade praising them for jailing people who don't do their jobs. If you ever don't do your job well enough, you belong in prison too, as per your support for this woman going to jail for not doing a job.

Hero judges should just imprison people (like you) without a trial every day when they are like you and believe in imprisoning people over work quality.

People on ATS often pretend to be against the US having 2 million people in prison, but then they go and say how happy they are someone is in jail for not doing a job to their specifications. Obviously, I don't get it.

What part of, she is part of the government, and is defying a federal court do you not understand. It is not because she did not do her job, it is because she is denying others the rights guaranteed them under the constitution that she has been jailed. The constitution is good, but only when it doesn't protect black or gay people, how do you not see the hypocrisy of that?

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: ketsuko

What about the rights of those people who just want a lawful marriage license

They have rights too

No apparently we have been reading the constitution all wrong, because it only protects white heterosexual christians, who may or may not have accounts on Ashley Madison ala Josh Duggar.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

She's done nothing except become another martyr for the persecution-complex of the Christian Right. Hopefully they will put someone in the position that will actually do their job.

You support persecuting a Christian for doing their job according to their moral code (like not obeying orders deemed immoral), but you interpret that as Christians persecuting you. Strange.

The idea that political conservatives refuse to rubber-stamp your personal sexual behaviors (like marriage) as approved, whether for tax purposes or not, is quite simply not "Christian persecution". I suggest you re-think that idea. If a Christian physically attacks you or even calls you a name, then sure that is Christian persecution. Not helping someone like by marrying them, baking them a cake, etc. simply is NOT hurting because failure to help isn't hurting. Are you personally helping feed people in Somalia who are starving? Probably not, and if not then you're hurting them by your logic because you're not helping them. But no, failure to help isn't the same as hurting. Only actual harm is hurting, so the woman did nothing to harm anyone and yet here she is in jail. So, that is quite disgusting to me.

Given that Russia is primarily atheistic and they are much harsher on gays, its clearly not religious at all. Liberals want gay marriage, while conservatives don't.

originally posted by: wayforward
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I'm glad to see so much support for the Federal Government for once just because its something different. You should throw them a parade praising them for jailing people who don't do their jobs. If you ever don't do your job well enough, you belong in prison too, as per your support for this woman going to jail for not doing a job.

Hero judges should just imprison people (like you) without a trial every day when they are like you and believe in imprisoning people over work quality.

People on ATS often pretend to be against the US having 2 million people in prison, but then they go and say how happy they are someone is in jail for not doing a job to their specifications. Obviously, I don't get it.

Obviously you don't. You might get it though, if you take the time to read through this thread. All of your points have been answered repeatedly.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

If my employer doesn't have the right to imprison me over failure to perform a work duty, then neither does any government employer. Why should our rights not be equal? If someone has the principle that it is okay to imprison people over failing to do a job according to a certain standard, then I'm fine with that person going to prison for not doing a job according to spec. But otherwise, I consider it an extremely harmful thing to do to someone.