Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Found in Contempt of Court - Jail

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: mOjOm

Nope sorry. Government isn't Religion

Alrightie then.

I guess pay no attention to the 'Holy' Trinity the Executive,Legislative, and Judical.

Pay no attention to it's '10 commandments' the Bill of Rights.

Pay no attention to it's 'preachers' called politicians trying for proselytize the masses and to convert us to their beliefs.

Pay no attention to governments 'collection plates' done with bold face authoritarianism.

Pay no attention to the 'holy' wars in the middle east, and drugs, and the evil rich.

Right!

Government is 'nothing' like the 'church'.

You can draw comparisons, but it is still not a church.

originally posted by: amazing
Here's something to consider.

All the laws, legal precedents, rulings, and court cases that favor Christians being able to do what they want in the name of their religion, will also make it easier for Sharia Law to take effect. In essence the Christians are trailblazing for IS.

It's not a stretch to posit that. Thoughts? Take emotion out of it. and just think about it logically.

That's because they think and believe as those in ISIS think and believe. They just don't see it because they are blind to their own tyranny the same way ISIS is.

Theocracy is Theocracy regardless or what Religion it is your talking about. It's possible to have a Theocracy that was all roses and sunshine I suppose if that's what the Religion was all about. But that's not usually they way they work.

These people are mentally the exact same as ISIS. They want a system based on their own personal religious beliefs and think everyone should be forced into following them. There is no exceptions to rules, except when they personally think there should be, but that rule too is only for them and for nobody else. No democratic process. No equal protection. Nothing based upon what might be fair or equal or just or right.

The only difference is that they are a slightly less violent version of ISIS. Just a watered down version but their thinking is the same.

I have read 12 pages of this stuff, wow, lots of hate and ignorance displayed here for all to see. A lack of knowledge about the constitution, how the government is supposed to work, how the courts are supposed to work, and what freedom of religion is, just amazes me, for I consider most of the folks on ATS to be fairly well informed. [/rant]

I for one am happy, that the law was followed and this sorry excuse of a human being is being jailed. Gay marriage has affected my life in no way, whether I agree with it or not.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: neo96

What makes no difference is government is the modern day equivalency of religion.

no, it is not...
religion outlines, or is supposed to, how to live a sin-free life.
the government laws are there because well, no one lives a sin-free life!!

Exactly like governments tells us how to live.

Still don't see a difference.

originally posted by: Monger
a reply to: neo96

That's also what ISIS believes.

Also what Iran believes that is a a religious theocracy.

Only our government makes deals, and arms them over in the ME.

Disparage, and mocks them, and throws clerks in jail here.

Pretty much a whacky kind of irony.

a reply to: neo96

Government get's it's power from the People. You know, For the People, By the People, Of the People. It's laws can be changed and are voted on by those who must follow them.

Religion get's it's power from God. The rules are not subject to change or voted on. They are commanded by an unseen power.

They are not the same. Any similarity between the two is most likely from Religious Zealots who've infiltrated government and have been altering it to be a Theocracy.

a reply to: reldra

You can draw comparisons, but it is still not a church.

Sure does love to act like one.

a reply to: mOjOm

Government get's it's power from the People.

That isn't what I hear.

I hear government gets it's power from the evil corps, and rich, and government agencies.

a reply to: neo96

That's what happens when you let Religious Fanatics and Corporate Elitists run everything. They turn the Gov. into a church with their false God at the head of it.

All hail your new lord Monsanto/Nike/U.S. Military/McJesus

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Short but very true story about people and their convictions.

A close friend of mine took a serious health turn to the point of needing emergency surgery. He had sliced his esophagus quite severely by swallowing a piece of raw carrot he hadn't chewed well enough. He refused surgery due to religious convictions. I am not of his faith, but was very sorry to have attended his funeral services.

There are people who hold onto their convictions THAT tightly.

Maybe this woman will last longer than a week.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: mOjOm

Nope sorry. Government isn't Religion

Alrightie then.

I guess pay no attention to the 'Holy' Trinity the Executive,Legislative, and Judical.

Pay no attention to it's '10 commandments' the Bill of Rights.

Pay no attention to it's 'preachers' called politicians trying for proselytize the masses and to convert us to their beliefs.

Pay no attention to governments 'collection plates' done with bold face authoritarianism.

Pay no attention to the 'holy' wars in the middle east, and drugs, and the evil rich.

Right!

Government is 'nothing' like the 'church'.

The government isn't concerned with your "soul" or offer a path for eternal salvation. The government doesn't endorse a specific "sky god" that is the creator of everything.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: neo96

That's what happens when you let Religious Fanatics and Corporate Elitists run everything. They turn the Gov. into a church with their false God at the head of it.

All hail your new lord Monsanto/Nike/U.S. Military/McJesus

You just mean them evil christians right ?

Let all the Buddist's,Muslims, and ever other 'fanatics' there right ?

Of course by some 'miracle' one could take them all out.

That would leave all those who worship at the alter of statolatry, and those who believe in the divinity of the state.

One more time.

Your never gonna get the 'religion' out of the state. Because the STATE is a religion.

She is a government official, the government cannot act as a religious institution. It is really this simple. She should resign.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

The government isn't concerned with your "soul" or offer a path for eternal salvation. The government doesn't endorse a specific "sky god" that is the creator of everything.

After listening, and watching our government for the past 8 years i would beg to differ.

Our government acts like 'GOD' is the creator of all things, especially our rights.

Those that don't believe it like myself have been repeatedly told to 'repent' to save our immortal souls.

Albeit not in those exact words, but the sentiment is the same.

a reply to: neo96

so, is the gov't forcing you to live the life of a homosexual??
I do know of a case where they forced someone to have an abortion but that was a very extreme case. Are you telling me that they are out in force in the US forcing women to abort babies?
in what way exactly are you living your life now, that you wouldn't be without gov't pressure? outside of the taxes, which no one likes paying but well, we all seem to like some of the perks those taxes bring our way don't we?

do you think that at least some of those IRS workers might have some moral issues as to where that money they are collecting is being used for? why haven't we seen a mob of IRS working having this kind of fit, refusing to collect those taxes spanning back decades? and there must not be that many secretaries with moral issues when it comes to lying because well, they do seem to be asked to lie for their bosses alot! and well, let's look at our presidents and diplomats, shall we? how would the public judge a president that instead of lying to conceal a strategic advantage that we built up, just well was honest with the enemy and told all??

I kind of think that this idea that providing a marriage license, providing coverage for birth control, baking a cake, ect is the same as actually committing the sin yourself is not only a new thing but also very much selective.

a reply to: AMPTAH

With his order, the judge has effectively declared that to work for the US Government, a person must hold religious beliefs consistent with his orders, and marry gays and lesbians. That is a religious test.

The judge has declared no such thing. He has ordered the clerk to fulfill the obligations of her elected office, and she has not only refused to do so. She has ordered others to do so as well. So the judge held her in contempt, and sent her to the county jail. No where have the courts defined, or put limits on this woman's faith. Article 6 has absolutely NOTHING to do with this case.

a reply to: neo96

Nope, you're totally incorrect. I don't worship the State. I believe the State should protect individuals right to choose their own religion. But to do that it must not have any bias toward religion itself.

I don't want Buddhists or Muslims or Jews or Jedi's or even Anti-Religious Atheists to have their beliefs dictate Gov. policy. We all have a say in what the Gov. is supposed to be doing. Since we are all of different beliefs we wont always see things the same way. But we don't always have to.

a reply to: dawnstar

so, is the gov't forcing you to live the life of a homosexual??

Nope, but it is forcing me to live the life of a pauper when it says it has more rights to my money,someone else has more rights to my money than I do.

When it tells me other people have MORE rights to firearms than I do. Like LEO's, and the military.

Of course people can make the topic about a singular issue, but it is so much bigger than that.

I guess the 14th amendment applies to LGBTS, anyone else not so much.

I don't understand why people care about who has sex with who and who marries -- what do these actions by other people have to do with you? How does another person's supposed "sins" impact your life? What's wrong with a live and let live approach to other people and their lives? This isn't YOUR government, it's OUR government -- which means it has to serve us all. No one sect or branch of religion can lay claim to it or impose it's moral views upon it.

I just don't understand why people get so worked up and tweaked around what other people do. Who cares? It's not a contagious disease or something.