ISIS are not Muslims, Zionist are not Jews, Westboro Baptist are not Christians.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Isurrender73


There are 1.5 billion Muslims and approximately 30,000 are in ISIS. Most Muslims are peaceful, sitting in their homes living in the hell that the failed USA middle east policies have created.

I don't believe most Muslims are peaceful. Polls taken around the world show that even the so called "moderates" support radical stuff. The so called moderates in the US only protest to condemn freedom of speech and excuse those who would murder over cartoons.

www.pewforum.org...

Using these polls to support your statement is a joke. These polls generally ask between 1000 to 1500 people so do you really think that accurately represents almost 2 billion people?

Looking around the world and seeing that almost all the current conflicts involve Muslims, yes.

a reply to: Isurrender73

But you are cherry picking the parts that you like. There are plenty of quotes that call for killing. Would you care to post some of those? Honesty comes at a price.

a reply to: TheBulk

And most Americans are being killed by Americans. I suppose you can say that about nearly every culture though.

And if the USA would have stayed out of Iraq and Libya there would be no ISIS. You can't just ignore this fact.

Saddam and Gaddafi were leaders who won civil wars in their countries. Like their tactics or not what the US did should have been considered international war crimes.

The European Refugee problem is a direct result of the USA meddling with foreign policy that had nothing to do with any threat against the US. If anything the threat is much worse now than it ever was.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Only in self defence in the Quran.

Now you know.

a reply to: TheBulk

All current conflicts involve all sorts of faiths, not just Islam. To even imply differently is ignorant.

Who are in the U.S. military? Christians by and large. Why no mention of the conflicts they're a part of? Probably because it doesn't fit with the current narrative being pushed.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Isurrender73

But you are cherry picking the parts that you like. There are plenty of quotes that call for killing. Would you care to post some of those? Honesty comes at a price.

You can quote a 100 verses that call for killing, and outside of the Torah everyone of them has to do with what you are instructed to do in self defense.

The Torah command the Jews to kill the demon worshiping, human sacrificing, pagan sex practitioners that inhabited Isreal. And stoning was given as punishment for violating the law.

Times were different 3,500 years ago, they didn't have prisons. What might have been acceptable as punishment 3,500 years ago does not stand today, which is one of the messages found in both the NT and Quran.

Outside of the those two instances in the Torah, the messages in the Torah, the NT and Quran only allow for self-defense.

So you can quote 100 verses amd each time I will reply, yes that is what you are allowed to do in sel-defense. Any other message would be a contradiction.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Whatever I point out in any book in Quran, Bible and Torah that is not good and helping your view will be cheery picking from your point of view since you are not gonna change your view no matter how much proof you get of the opposite.

In your view all the books are perfect, when seen in the right context that only you and your educated brothers and sisters have been able to see thru your education. And any soul who sees it another way (the wrong way) when they use logic and higher level spiritual concepts to see for themselves what is written in the books is a hateful bigot for pointing out that hate speech exists in these 3 books.

Remove the hate speech from the 3 books and there would not be hate speech. But that cannot be done since they are already perfect creation from god.

And then you say the Hadiths and should not be followed. If I am not allowed to point out the flaws in Quran the who are you to be allowed to point out in the Hadiths? The Hadiths are perfect spiritual text for some Muslim.

Saying there is a flaw is not hate. It is pointing out something that should be fixed. Fix the problem and the flaw disappear.

Namaste

a reply to: Isurrender73

1.5 billion Muslims?

How many of those are radical?

a reply to: Isurrender73


Self defence? Kill gays in self defence?
Kill unruly children in self defence? Kill entire villages and take the virgins as slaves, in self defennce?

Send bears to kill children in self defence?

God ordered moses to kill 100,000 people in self defence? I could go on.


Honesty is not your strong suit. In your defence, you have swallowed so many lies, they prob taste like truth by now.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Self defense can be defined in many different ways. Aggression have many times been called self defense to give people a sense of moral superiority.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TheBulk

All current conflicts involve all sorts of faiths, not just Islam. To even imply differently is ignorant.

Who are in the U.S. military? Christians by and large. Why no mention of the conflicts they're a part of? Probably because it doesn't fit with the current narrative being pushed.

True there is duality in US and the Christian faith also. And the Isis situation is from my point of view bank mafia + house of Saud wanting more control over middle east and controlling gas distribution to Europe. Assad gotta be removed and insane Wahabbi are paid to do it.

But this do not change the fact that the spiritual texts have hateful messages that are not from the divine but created by man. Inspired by god do not mean created and written personally perfect by the divine. Seek the source and discard the maps when they prove faulty.

But from your description on the bottom I assume you already know this and much more.

a reply to: Isurrender73
I am not atheist, or anti-religion only because of what some morons do in the name of it, but because all religion is a scam, and the three you mention, teach intolerance, bigotry, and elitism. One can pick out the flowery scriptures all day long, but that does not nullify those scriptures that are not.

None of these religions are qualified to speak for "god", nor do they have gods words. They have no grounds whatsoever to tell me I'm a "sinner", an infidel, or a heathen.

a reply to: beezzer

Did you ever see the movie Pleasantville?

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Isurrender73
I am not atheist, or anti-religion only because of what some morons do in the name of it, but because all religion is a scam, and the three you mention, teach intolerance, bigotry, and elitism. One can pick out the flowery scriptures all day long, but that does not nullify those scriptures that are not.

None of these religions are qualified to speak for "god", nor do they have gods words. They have no grounds whatsoever to tell me I'm a "sinner", an infidel, or a heathen.

quoted for truth.

Wow, this is the most concise, honest, rational post I have read in a very long time.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: Isurrender73

The Hadiths are perfect spiritual text for some Muslim.

Saying there is a flaw is not hate. It is pointing out something that should be fixed. Fix the problem and the flaw disappear.

Namaste

Hadith books are what's wrong with the Muslim world today. All problems can be traced to those hadith books.

a reply to: Woodcarver

The Quran does not advocate the stoning of adulterers, killing of homosexuals and apostates or any of that crap. They can all in fact be found in hadith books.

originally posted by: Boeing777

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: Isurrender73

The Hadiths are perfect spiritual text for some Muslim.

Saying there is a flaw is not hate. It is pointing out something that should be fixed. Fix the problem and the flaw disappear.

Namaste

Hadith books are what's wrong with the Muslim world today. All problems can be traced to those hadith books.

I think the Hadiths are bad also and not following Hadits is a perfect start. But that do not mean part of the Quran do not have duality flaws.

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Isurrender73
I am not atheist, or anti-religion only because of what some morons do in the name of it, but because all religion is a scam, and the three you mention, teach intolerance, bigotry, and elitism. One can pick out the flowery scriptures all day long, but that does not nullify those scriptures that are not.

None of these religions are qualified to speak for "god", nor do they have gods words. They have no grounds whatsoever to tell me I'm a "sinner", an infidel, or a heathen.

quoted for truth.

Wow, this is the most concise, honest, rational post I have read in a very long time.

Thanks. I just get tired of religion being in everyone elses business. Belief in a god/goddess should be a matter of personal faith, not a crusade to conquer the earth, and make everyone part of their own Borg collective.

No true Scotsman......?

Whether or not these people are Jews, Muslims or Christians is down to interpretation, and according to their (the Jews, Muslims or Christians) interpretations of their vague religions, they are what they say they are.

Theists shouldn't be washing their hands with the worst of their ilk, they should be taking the issue in hand.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Woodcarver

Only in self defence in the Quran.

Now you know.

So which parts of the quran are isis using to justify their deeds? Or are they using the hadith?