Hillary To Bernie & Joe: 'I Already Have The Delegates For Nomination!'

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: introvert

A choice between an honest person and a corrupt person should be an easy decision.

But when it comes to politics, most will vote for the corrupt person over an honest person simply on ideology.

And we wonder why the US is such a train wreck.

I think the problem is that we get bad choices and believe that we have to make them. A vote between Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton is a bad choice. We lose no matter what. It would come down to the few ideological differnces between them that would dictate an actual choice. Belief in Man Made Global Warming. LGBT Rights. and a few others. Most everything else they spout off is political speak or a lie.

So if they are both the same and both corporate lap dogs...and there are only a few small differences. MMGW and LGBT issues amongst them, I have to vote for Hillary. Although I would much rather vote for Sanders. But anything to stop Bush, really. And I'm afraid that if it came down to it and Sanders was independent. that Hillary might be the only way to stop Bush.

Such bad choices.

Then why not consider for the sake of the country
for the sake of destroying the 2 party system
for the sake of the entire future of the US and
our children and grandchildren

A winning independent ticket
if the mainstream parties throw them
to the dogs:
Trump/Sanders?

A truly radical and wild hair idea,
true, but one that could possibly
change US politics for the better
for all time.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I would definitely go for that.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Broad experience with losing inherited wealth to foreigners is hardly a qualification. Didn't trump get divorced last time he dabbled in international affairs?

originally posted by: The Vagabond
a reply to: grandmakdw

Broad experience with losing inherited wealth to foreigners is hardly a qualification. Didn't trump get divorced last time he dabbled in international affairs?

I'm not a trump fan but he's still far better than Bush or Hillary.

a reply to: amazing

Don't you see, though?

Even knowing that Hillary is corrupt, you'd still vote for her!

Until we break the cycle of this type of thinking, no-one we elect will matter because they will all be corrupt!

What does it matter if Hillary is corrupt, but on "your side"?

She'll just screw over people who think differently than you. And that's a good thing?

a reply to: beezzer

Nope, would never vote for hiliary, already said that in this very thread, you must of missed it.

If I don't like the candidates, I vote for myself.
But Bernie looks like he is getting mine.

So you sure you know who'll I'll vote for?

And your line of thought can easily be flipped to the other side, which I am sure you already know.

Many will vote for lets say trump, just because he isn't hiliary.

a reply to: grandmakdw

It's not easy for a 3rd or even a 4th party. Here in Canada the NDP(about as liberal as there is in Canada) has governed provinces but were always seen as no choice federally before the last election where they formed the Official Opposition. Best showing federally EVER and they've been around since the early 60's.

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: grandmakdw

I would definitely go for that.

It would unite the populists in both parties
who are fed up with the political parties
telling us who is best
and not giving the people a real choice
and being so polarizing and condescending
that they tear the very fabric of
social decency apart with their divisive
and overly destructive verbiage toward
what are really mainstream Americans.

Even if you hate the idea of
Trump
or you hate the idea of
Sanders;
would not that unite the country
in a way never before seen
and give the mainstream parties
a well deserved kick in the ....?

So that they quit doing their best
to insult 1/2 the country every time
an election runs around. And quit
saying that the 1/2 of the country who
disagrees with them are evil people?
Causing more division and more problems
and less problem solving.

This is a radical idea,
it might just save the country
in the long run
and unite the country
in a way never seen before.

Save the Country from the Democrats and the Republicans

Trump/Sanders Independent Ticket for President
running as co-Presidents

I honestly and truly think this would be good for the US,
at the same time TPTB won't let it happen and will
convince the dim bulb voters that it is a bad idea
to keep the country divided so they can keep a vise
grip on the nation.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: beezzer

Nope, would never vote for hiliary, already said that in this very thread, you must of missed it.

If I don't like the candidates, I vote for myself.
But Bernie looks like he is getting mine.

So you sure you know who'll I'll vote for?

And your line of thought can easily be flipped to the other side, which I am sure you already know.

Many will vote for lets say trump, just because he isn't hiliary.

As long as we continue to allow corruption, as long as we continue to give it a pass, we'll see corruption in politics.

And I guess I did miss it.

I figured you to be a leftist who'd vote Hillary regardless.

Glad to be wrong.

Well, if Hillary says she already HAS the nomination...I guess that puts an end to all of that 'Democrat Candidate Debates' nonsense.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: IAMTAT

If Hillary gets the nomination, one thing is certain - the US is not a Constitutional Republic by any means but is almost the dictionary definition of a dynastic oligarchy.

and at that point would be the appropriate time to action the 2nd amendment, and take America back.

But - iphone, X-factor, Kardashian-factor and the 50% off sale at the Mall will ensure that never happens.

Nero fiddled whilst Rome burned.

Would be the same if Jeb Bush gets it- worse.

a reply to: beezzer

I am against the dynasty nature of what it would bring, and she seems to be a sleaze ball in general.

I will give you have credit for the assumption though, I will probably vote Bernie regardless of who the GOP tosses up.

So you kinda had me pegged right, just the wrong horse.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: grandmakdw

It's not easy for a 3rd or even a 4th party. Here in Canada the NDP(about as liberal as there is in Canada) has governed provinces but were always seen as no choice federally before the last election where they formed the Official Opposition. Best showing federally EVER and they've been around since the early 60's.

You know though I get the feeling this election is different.

There are great grass root populist movements within each
party that are angry at the professional politicians and angry
with the people running the parties who routinely ignore
the will of the people.

That is why Trump and Sanders are the poll toppers they
are and why their rallies have absolutely astounding
attendance. Any the mainstream parties are livid.

This particular election cycle, more than any other
has populist movements on both sides of the aisle
who are fed up with the parties who are so divisive
that they can only divide the country further and
get nothing positive done.

I actually think, although I do not think it will happen,
which is a shame.
That a Trump/Sanders co-presidency independent ticket
would win with numbers never seen before in any election.

The time is actually now for something this radical
and this shocking to actually be pulled off for the
good of the country.

But I don't think "The Powers That Be" will let it happen
they will rig the votes as usual and most likely
either Jeb or Hillary will be their selection and the
winner and the divisiveness will continue which helps
TPTB control the populace for their own agenda.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: IAMTAT

If Hillary gets the nomination, one thing is certain - the US is not a Constitutional Republic by any means but is almost the dictionary definition of a dynastic oligarchy.

and at that point would be the appropriate time to action the 2nd amendment, and take America back.

But - iphone, X-factor, Kardashian-factor and the 50% off sale at the Mall will ensure that never happens.

Nero fiddled whilst Rome burned.

Would be the same if Jeb Bush gets it- worse.

And this is more the problem:

"Oh yeah? My side may be corrupt, but so is yours and worse!"

Look - Corruption is corruption. Just because one person is democrat doesn't make their corruption somehow "less corrupt" than the republican corruption. It's bad no matter who does it and shouldn't be tolerated.

a reply to: grandmakdw

My point is that if it takes Canadians more than 50 years to give a slight nod to a 3rd party, it happening in the States any time soon is highly unlikely..... though desirable. Then again I never thought I would see a Black president or legal weed in the States in my time so anything is possible.

a reply to: ketsuko

That's the thing about voting in a corrupt politician.

If they are on "your side" then they will probably only ruin your ideological enemies. (neighbors, relatives, spouse, etc)

But any corrupt politician from the other side is worse, because they'll only attack you!

(the answer is in not voting for corrupt politicians)

a reply to: intrepid

It's for that reason I'm almost hoping Trump gets elected without an official party nomination. It would set a new precedence that others could follow. It also might carry the potential to destroy the stranglehold our two party system has.

a reply to: beezzer

"Sides, sides, everywhere a side. Break my interest and killing my mind...."

Sides are the problem. People have to "WIN". While the sides keep winning and losing the people continually lose. I've voted Liberal, NDP(although when I was young) and Conservative. I HATE the leader of my party. I LOVE my Conservitive MP. I think he should be running the party. Here's where you guys have it better. If I vote for my MP that's a vote for my PM(I don't want that). You guys separate the leader from the party. We can't.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: grandmakdw

It's not easy for a 3rd or even a 4th party. Here in Canada the NDP(about as liberal as there is in Canada) has governed provinces but were always seen as no choice federally before the last election where they formed the Official Opposition. Best showing federally EVER and they've been around since the early 60's.

You know though I get the feeling this election is different.

There are great grass root populist movements within each
party that are angry at the professional politicians and angry
with the people running the parties who routinely ignore
the will of the people.

That is why Trump and Sanders are the poll toppers they
are and why their rallies have absolutely astounding
attendance. Any the mainstream parties are livid.

This particular election cycle, more than any other
has populist movements on both sides of the aisle
who are fed up with the parties who are so divisive
that they can only divide the country further and
get nothing positive done.

I actually think, although I do not think it will happen,
which is a shame.
That a Trump/Sanders co-presidency independent ticket
would win with numbers never seen before in any election.

The time is actually now for something this radical
and this shocking to actually be pulled off for the
good of the country.

But I don't think "The Powers That Be" will let it happen
they will rig the votes as usual and most likely
either Jeb or Hillary will be their selection and the
winner and the divisiveness will continue which helps
TPTB control the populace for their own agenda.

Sanders- good. Trump...destruction of the country. While there are many on both sides that wouldn't be good for the country, possibly even bad- Trump would be like the apocalypse.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: IAMTAT

If Hillary gets the nomination, one thing is certain - the US is not a Constitutional Republic by any means but is almost the dictionary definition of a dynastic oligarchy.

and at that point would be the appropriate time to action the 2nd amendment, and take America back.

But - iphone, X-factor, Kardashian-factor and the 50% off sale at the Mall will ensure that never happens.

Nero fiddled whilst Rome burned.

Would be the same if Jeb Bush gets it- worse.

And this is more the problem:

"Oh yeah? My side may be corrupt, but so is yours and worse!"

Look - Corruption is corruption. Just because one person is democrat doesn't make their corruption somehow "less corrupt" than the republican corruption. It's bad no matter who does it and shouldn't be tolerated.

Aren't you sick of the choice
between this corrupt
person or that corrupt person.

Or being told that anyone who disagrees
with your ideology

is to be considered an enemy
and evil and any manner of other ugly words?

Aren't you tired of being manipulated by
the same people in power

who don't care
about the country
only about reelection
and power?

And their actions (both sides)
prove they don't care about the country
and that they think it is in their best interest

to demonize 1/2 the country and keep us
divided and separated?

Aren't you really sick and tired of it all?

That is why I think the impossible would
be best for the US.

An independent party represented
by both populists,

to find common
ground to applaud all of the country

and not demonize half, but applaud
all.


Trump and Sanders running on a Independent Ticket.

Radical, yes, but the power brokers want us
to hate each other
and to be divided

so they can foist the unscrupulous and corrupt
on us

so that they can control the politicians
with blackmail and get what they want

and not what is good for the country.