Is There Evidence for Creationism? Show it to us.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Oh, dear, a post from The Murggh that I cannot ignore.

Or maybe I can...

a reply to: edmc^2

Outed out? Doesn't read my own links? That's funny.

No, it's fact. You posted a link claiming it showed blue whales mating. In fact all it said was 'blue whale mating has never been documented', which was exactly what I said earlier. You made a quick google search for 'blue whales mating' to try to rebut me. Your search caught the first three words of the sentence, so you linked to the page it found without bothering to read it. If you had you would have caught the error.

As I said earlier, your ignorance and dishonesty are doing more damage to the Creationist cause than any atheist could.

Really? you mean spontaneous generation is not the same as abiogenesis?

You mean wilful stupidity is not the same as self-deceiving religious mania?

since both hypotheses doesn't have "real" foundation, what makes them different?

One dresses to the right the other to the left. Satisfied?

a reply to: spygeek

Well I don't really like the label creationist as it is a broad term.

But here is a talk you may or may not enjoy:

www.skeptiko.com...

Excerpt:

You see we always start from the fact that we are conscious. Consciousness is the only carrier of reality and existence that we can know. Everything else is abstraction; [they] are inferences we make from consciousness. But our culture is driven by this notion that the real reality is outside consciousness. It’s a material universe fundamentally independent of consciousness, and that our inner lives, our subjective experiences arise from specific arrangements of material in this abstract world outside mind. That’s the philosophy of materialism that underlies most academic work and underlies most of science as you know it today. But it also underlies the value system of our culture, our economic system…For instance, if matter is the only real reality, consciousness being just a transient, temporary side effect, then what meaning can there be to life but to accumulate material goods? That feeds right into the economic system and feeds right into loops of reinforcement of existing power structures.
So this metaphysical view of the world entailed by the philosophy of materialism determines not only what happens in academia, and what your kids learn in school, but largely determines everything: The culture around your relationships at work; the way we deal with the environment; the meaning of our lives or at least how we see the meaning of our lives; how we spend our time; how we spend our money; how we see our relationships; and who we maintain in power.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: edmc^2

Outed out? Doesn't read my own links? That's funny.

No, it's fact. You posted a link claiming it showed blue whales mating. In fact all it said was 'blue whale mating has never been documented', which was exactly what I said earlier. You made a quick google search for 'blue whales mating' to try to rebut me. Your search caught the first three words of the sentence, so you linked to the page it found without bothering to read it. If you had you would have caught the error.

As I said earlier, your ignorance and dishonesty are doing more damage to the Creationist cause than any atheist could.

Really? you mean spontaneous generation is not the same as abiogenesis?

You mean wilful stupidity is not the same as self-deceiving religious mania?

since both hypotheses doesn't have "real" foundation, what makes them different?

Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild. If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.

One dresses to the right the other to the left. Satisfied?

Funny thing about atheist is that they start to be funny whenever they don't have an answer to a serious question.

originally posted by: edmc^2
Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.

Your links say otherwise. Care to quote the specific excerpt that states that they have been seen to mate in the wild?

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Alex is a nut. I wish he wouldn't use the title "Skeptiko" for his website, because in his case it is a misnomer. He seems to have a poor understanding of how science actually works..

Stuart Robbins of Exposing PseudoAstronomy has analysed in detail[10][11] Tsakiris' misunderstandings of how science works:

1. Confusing papers' conclusions and their original data.
2. Confusing argument from authority with scientific consensus.
3. Picking guests from Amazon best-seller lists rather than finding credible scientists with a peer-reviewed track record.
4. Confusing a class of outcomes with a single cause, i.e., not understanding that one effect can have multiple causes (including mundane ones).
5. Telling experts they don't understand the area of their expertise when they don't agree with him.
6. Claiming a phenomenon should be studied before even establishing it exists.
7. Appeal to quantum mechanics.
8. Appeal to an individual researcher's unduplicated results.
9. Relying on eyewitness memories decades after the fact.
10. Not understanding that it's up to the claimant to provide the evidence.

These are down to natural human cognitive biases, which is why science is hard. But when experts in all the scientific areas you deal with tell you you're full of it, it may be an idea to consider the notion.

RationalWiki - Alex Tsakiris

a reply to: edmc^2

Links are just to show that blue whales have been seen to mate in the wild.

Your links say such a sighting has never been documented. If you have any evidence to contradict that, post it. Nobody on this thread is going to believe a word of what you say without evidence now.

If you want to argue with that then I can't help you.

On the contrary, you've helped prove me right, destroyed your own credibility and scored another own goal against Creationism.

I should thank you, really. You've done my work for me.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
Im not calling you a liar. I believe you truely belive that he turned up etc...but i dont belive that that is what really heppened. Why would god show up at your house and not interevene to save that poor 3 year old who drowned? Doesnt make sense.

This is a question I have asked myself MANY times over the years.

I don't know the answer but I have a few clues to suggest why it happened to me...

When this happened I was an atheist but for the previous 2 years I was a sailor on a Navy ship.

Someone on that ship (USS Valdez) had been leaving small chick tracts in the crews lounge.

Every day as I would pass through this area I would pick some of them up and read them.

Also during this time another sailor left a bible behind in the 'Combat Information Center' and I started reading it.

Somewhere in scripture it mentions Gods word will not return void.

It also talks about asking, seeking, and knocking.

There must have been some kind of spiritual principal going on that caused it to happen.

And about that poor 3 year old who drowned...

In heaven, children are there, all the ones who died young, in childbirth, or were aborted.
Link

Oh, i see. So its ok, if children horribly with illness or deformities before they die...because they are goign to heaven! Phew! Lucky them! Thank you god for creating that worm/parasite/virus!

Your god is a sick, twisted, incomptetent fool...and deserves NO adulation. Fortunately, he doesnt exist

a reply to: edmc^2

you are single handedly murdering this thread. here, have a beer as a token of my amusement.

a reply to: TzarChasm

You'd think after all these years, he'd have something new to bring to the table, but it's still the same old tireless arguments that have been debunked for decades. This guy will probably disappear for another 3-4 months, then come back and repeat them again. I wonder how many sites he actually posts that nonsense on.

21 pages later and the ride appears to have reached its conclusion.

is there evidence for creationism? the answer, unless i misunderstand the progression of this debacle, is apparently no.

Time and evolution can explain God.

Humans evolved over millions of years.

A human class intelligence could have evolved more than one billion years ago.

Also, if our universe is inside of another universe, or at he edge of another universe, then we are within the reach of entities of infinite age.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: edmc^2

you are single handedly murdering this thread. here, have a beer as a token of my amusement.

I haven't even started yet.

I think I should start a new thread and present my evidence then have at it.

originally posted by: edmc^2
I haven't even started yet.

I think I should start a new thread and present my evidence then have at it.

This thread was created for that very purpose, what are you waiting for?

Well this thread seems to contain the same drivel as all the others about the subject.

Of course there is no proof of god or creationism, at the same time you can't prove it didn't happen however unlikely it may be.

So, no I don't believe in creationism,however"...

I don't buy into the big bang theory, I think at the moment it is sciences equivalent way of saying "god did it".

Soi don't know how everything started or how the universe came to be.

But I do support evolution, so much evidence for it.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
Im not calling you a liar. I believe you truely belive that he turned up etc...but i dont belive that that is what really heppened. Why would god show up at your house and not interevene to save that poor 3 year old who drowned? Doesnt make sense.

This is a question I have asked myself MANY times over the years.

I don't know the answer but I have a few clues to suggest why it happened to me...

When this happened I was an atheist but for the previous 2 years I was a sailor on a Navy ship.

Someone on that ship (USS Valdez) had been leaving small chick tracts in the crews lounge.

Every day as I would pass through this area I would pick some of them up and read them.

Also during this time another sailor left a bible behind in the 'Combat Information Center' and I started reading it.

Somewhere in scripture it mentions Gods word will not return void.

It also talks about asking, seeking, and knocking.

There must have been some kind of spiritual principal going on that caused it to happen.

And about that poor 3 year old who drowned...

In heaven, children are there, all the ones who died young, in childbirth, or were aborted.
Link

Oh, i see. So its ok, if children horribly with illness or deformities before they die...because they are goign to heaven! Phew! Lucky them! Thank you god for creating that worm/parasite/virus!

Your god is a sick, twisted, incomptetent fool...and deserves NO adulation. Fortunately, he doesnt exist

I wonder....why "fortunately" he doesn't exist you say? What if he did exist? And don't answer well he doesn't so doesn't matter does it. I mean hypothetically. God existed. What does that mean for your life?

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
Well this thread seems to contain the same drivel as all the others about the subject.

Of course there is no proof of god or creationism, at the same time you can't prove it didn't happen however unlikely it may be.

Its up to those making the claim that god/s did it to shoulder the burden of proof, nobody has to prove those claims wrong until that time.

I don't buy into the big bang theory, I think at the moment it is sciences equivalent way of saying "god did it".

Soi don't know how everything started or how the universe came to be.

2 second search results for evidence for the big bang

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
I don't buy into the big bang theory, I think at the moment it is sciences equivalent way of saying "god did it".

Except of course, that the big bang has evidence to suggest it happened whereas god did it, has NO evidence. So, no, those 2 concepts are not on equal footing.

a reply to: Barcs

There are several models that are supported by evidence and members of the scientific community.

The big bang is not considered by all to be the definitive theory.

I have read all about the big bang theory and the evidence is fairly flimsy in places and scientists admit this.


Anyway, this is off topic.

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: edmc^2

you are single handedly murdering this thread. here, have a beer as a token of my amusement.

I haven't even started yet.

I think I should start a new thread and present my evidence then have at it.

Please do that. We've been waiting a long time for someone to step up to the plate with evidence! Thanks.