Trump is KILLING the Republican chances for Presidency

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: grandmakdw

None of that is proof that Trump polls well among black people. You are making the grave mistake of thinking that black people can't separate politics from a television show. Just because black people watch a lot of television and the Apprentice doesn't mean they support Trump as a politician. That is absurd reasoning.

By the way, if there is ANY GOP candidate that will get the uninformed black vote, it would be Ben Carson, because he's black. We already know that is how the uninformed black vote works since that is how it happened in the last two elections.

Aren't you being racist by assuming that black
people aren't smart enough to vote for anyone
who isn't black?
Unless they are old and white and have
antique ideas because they are Democrats.

Why wouldn't they find appealing someone
who has shown that he holds the black
community in high regard and shown the
world that back rappers, athletes are
smart, decisive and excellent decision makers?

After Trump bows out, will any of the remaining Republicans seek his endorsement? In his own mind, Trump may think his endorsement will be coveted, but I think it would be more like Kryptonite.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Maverick1
Well, yeah, he could kill it.

On the other hand, he just might win the damned thing.

He might? How do you figure that? Your hopes and desires?

More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

Trump may very well be able to capture the GOP nomination but, I'd say he has a farts chance in a hurricane of capturing the White House.

Trump is used to having dictatorial authority over decisions affecting his businesses and he doesn't know the first thing about how to garner the support of legislators required in order to get anything accomplished in government and the only ones who don't realize this fact are the willfully ignorant.

Especially after witnessing, over the last 6 1/2 yrs, just how dysfunctional our government can be when one party decides to employ obstructionism as policy.

Trump's business successes can be attributed to two primary business tactics.

The first one being his admitted use of bribery, (political donations) to get favors from legislators in all branches of government.

The second one being the use of threats of unlimited law suits to silence anyone who opposes him.

While I'll agree that there are many who, blinded by their hatred, don't see this reality, IMO it's both naive and somewhat insulting to the minority communities to infer that a majority of their demographic will somehow buy into his trash talk.

If I were you, I'd keep my eye on Bernie Sanders who actually describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which is actually a pretty good description of how our society is supposed to work.

He's not a "Dictatorial Socalist," which is the portrayal that many on the right are attempting to label him with.

I think this election is going to turn out to be the big inevitable battle that's been brewing between the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with the TP backing Trump and OW backing Bernie.

I'm betting OW wins with Bernie.

I can see the image now. A picture of trump with a caption of him telling his apprentice lady " you'd look better on your knees" an image of an ows protestor taking a dump on a cop car. Your choice.....

Problem is, no one on the left is trying to elect the protester who crapped on the cop car.

Kind of a false comparison, wouldn't you say?

Not when you say Bernie backed by ows and trump backed by tp. You tend to associate with who has similar views, false compirson? Not at all.

Doesn't really surprise me that you don't see the difference. Let me spell it out for you.

Trump is the one actually saying the woman would look better on her knees and his supporters like it.

Bernie is not the one who crapped on the cop car.

The one guy who did crap on the cop car is not representative of the entire OW movement and I doubt that the OWM or Bernie approve of his actions.

In a nutshell, you're trying to compare the spokesman for one movement to the actions of a single protester in another.

The OWM as a whole, has never supported crapping on cop cars, but the TPM is pretty much in favor of every idiotic idea Trump has expressed and that's why he's their chosen one.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Reallyfolks

The whole "two party system is an illusion" rhetoric has been smashed to pieces by this new Republican party. That may have seemed to hold true 8 years ago, before Obama, but after he was elected things started to change. The two parties are DEFINITELY not the same beast anymore.

If that rhetoric were actually true, the Republican party wouldn't be doubling down on rhetoric that is slowly making them irrelevant nationally. They'd diversify to maintain national relevance while keeping just enough differences between the other party to maintain the illusion. Come on man, that's simple logic.

Simple observation shows that regardless of the party in charge, the national debt skyrockets, the police state increases, wars continue, the wealth gap widens, "to big to jail" groups keep getting bigger, Constitutional rights are eroded, Wall Street rises while Main Street is being foreclosed, and government finds more ways to intrude on personal lives. How are the American people any better off with one party or another?

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Reallyfolks

The whole "two party system is an illusion" rhetoric has been smashed to pieces by this new Republican party. That may have seemed to hold true 8 years ago, before Obama, but after he was elected things started to change. The two parties are DEFINITELY not the same beast anymore.

If that rhetoric were actually true, the Republican party wouldn't be doubling down on rhetoric that is slowly making them irrelevant nationally. They'd diversify to maintain national relevance while keeping just enough differences between the other party to maintain the illusion. Come on man, that's simple logic.

Simple observation shows that regardless of the party in charge, the national debt skyrockets, the police state increases, wars continue, the wealth gap widens, "to big to jail" groups keep getting bigger, Constitutional rights are eroded, Wall Street rises while Main Street is being foreclosed, and government finds more ways to intrude on personal lives. How are the American people any better off with one party or another?

Good point, which is why I say
that it wouldn't matter which
party Trump decided to join,

as his actual issue and policies
are a mix of both Republican
and Democrat policies.

I think his appeal is that he is as
close as we can come to a third
party candidate.
Witness the Republican party
doing all they can to destroy him.

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Maverick1
Well, yeah, he could kill it.

On the other hand, he just might win the damned thing.

He might? How do you figure that? Your hopes and desires?

More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

Trump may very well be able to capture the GOP nomination but, I'd say he has a farts chance in a hurricane of capturing the White House.

Trump is used to having dictatorial authority over decisions affecting his businesses and he doesn't know the first thing about how to garner the support of legislators required in order to get anything accomplished in government and the only ones who don't realize this fact are the willfully ignorant.

Especially after witnessing, over the last 6 1/2 yrs, just how dysfunctional our government can be when one party decides to employ obstructionism as policy.

Trump's business successes can be attributed to two primary business tactics.

The first one being his admitted use of bribery, (political donations) to get favors from legislators in all branches of government.

The second one being the use of threats of unlimited law suits to silence anyone who opposes him.

While I'll agree that there are many who, blinded by their hatred, don't see this reality, IMO it's both naive and somewhat insulting to the minority communities to infer that a majority of their demographic will somehow buy into his trash talk.

If I were you, I'd keep my eye on Bernie Sanders who actually describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which is actually a pretty good description of how our society is supposed to work.

He's not a "Dictatorial Socalist," which is the portrayal that many on the right are attempting to label him with.

I think this election is going to turn out to be the big inevitable battle that's been brewing between the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with the TP backing Trump and OW backing Bernie.

I'm betting OW wins with Bernie.

I can see the image now. A picture of trump with a caption of him telling his apprentice lady " you'd look better on your knees" an image of an ows protestor taking a dump on a cop car. Your choice.....

Problem is, no one on the left is trying to elect the protester who crapped on the cop car.

Kind of a false comparison, wouldn't you say?

Not when you say Bernie backed by ows and trump backed by tp. You tend to associate with who has similar views, false compirson? Not at all.

Doesn't really surprise me that you don't see the difference. Let me spell it out for you.

Trump is the one actually saying the woman would look better on her knees and his supporters like it.

Bernie is not the one who crapped on the cop car.

The one guy who did crap on the cop car is not representative of the entire OW movement and I doubt that the OWM or Bernie approve of his actions.

In a nutshell, you're trying to compare the spokesman for one movement to the actions of a single protester in another.

The OWM as a whole, has never supported crapping on cop cars, but the TPM is pretty much in favor of every idiotic idea Trump has expressed and that's why he's their chosen one.

As while that may make you feel better to say to prove yourself right , in this day and age you are judged by who you associate with and who associates with you, especially in politics and we see it everyday. We see it everyday this person did thid or was associated with this. He is now associated with Obama...this means Obama is xyz. On the group level. This Christian did this or said this...all Christians or Muslims or any grpup are now xyz. So while it felt good to write you must admit even privately that while not right, association is a reflection of the whole and people will make entire assumptions based on it.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Maverick1
Well, yeah, he could kill it.

On the other hand, he just might win the damned thing.

He might? How do you figure that? Your hopes and desires?

More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

Trump may very well be able to capture the GOP nomination but, I'd say he has a farts chance in a hurricane of capturing the White House.

Trump is used to having dictatorial authority over decisions affecting his businesses and he doesn't know the first thing about how to garner the support of legislators required in order to get anything accomplished in government and the only ones who don't realize this fact are the willfully ignorant.

Especially after witnessing, over the last 6 1/2 yrs, just how dysfunctional our government can be when one party decides to employ obstructionism as policy.

Trump's business successes can be attributed to two primary business tactics.

The first one being his admitted use of bribery, (political donations) to get favors from legislators in all branches of government.

The second one being the use of threats of unlimited law suits to silence anyone who opposes him.

While I'll agree that there are many who, blinded by their hatred, don't see this reality, IMO it's both naive and somewhat insulting to the minority communities to infer that a majority of their demographic will somehow buy into his trash talk.

If I were you, I'd keep my eye on Bernie Sanders who actually describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which is actually a pretty good description of how our society is supposed to work.

He's not a "Dictatorial Socalist," which is the portrayal that many on the right are attempting to label him with.

I think this election is going to turn out to be the big inevitable battle that's been brewing between the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with the TP backing Trump and OW backing Bernie.

I'm betting OW wins with Bernie.

I can see the image now. A picture of trump with a caption of him telling his apprentice lady " you'd look better on your knees" an image of an ows protestor taking a dump on a cop car. Your choice.....

Problem is, no one on the left is trying to elect the protester who crapped on the cop car.

Kind of a false comparison, wouldn't you say?

Not when you say Bernie backed by ows and trump backed by tp. You tend to associate with who has similar views, false compirson? Not at all.

Doesn't really surprise me that you don't see the difference. Let me spell it out for you.

Trump is the one actually saying the woman would look better on her knees and his supporters like it.

Bernie is not the one who crapped on the cop car.

The one guy who did crap on the cop car is not representative of the entire OW movement and I doubt that the OWM or Bernie approve of his actions.

In a nutshell, you're trying to compare the spokesman for one movement to the actions of a single protester in another.

The OWM as a whole, has never supported crapping on cop cars, but the TPM is pretty much in favor of every idiotic idea Trump has expressed and that's why he's their chosen one.

As while that may make you feel better to say to prove yourself right , in this day and age you are judged by who you associate with and who associates with you, especially in politics and we see it everyday. We see it everyday this person did thid or was associated with this. He is now associated with Obama...this means Obama is xyz. On the group level. This Christian did this or said this...all Christians or Muslims or any grpup are now xyz. So while it felt good to write you must admit even privately that while not right, association is a reflection of the whole and people will make entire assumptions based on it.

That way of thinking is a logical fallacy.

An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association. Association fallacies are a special case of red herring, and can be based on an appeal to emotion.

Source

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TonyS

Why? Because competition keeps things fresh. Without political competition things stagnate and never improve. There really ARE ideals that are good conservative ideas that make sense and that I can agree with.

I don't want to see the destruction of the Republican party because that would be a bad thing. I want to see the Republicans realize that they are backing the wrong horse and come back from the brink. Gone are the days where we could all complain about each party being two sides to the same coin with little differences between the two parties. The Republicans are on a completely different level at this point, and it's not a good thing. They achieved separation in the wrong direction.

ETA: We need more political parties. Not less.

In a perfect world, I'd agree with you concerning the need for political competition and yes, perhaps more viable political parties would be a solution if we had something like proportional representation.

I'm not necessarily advocating a one party system; I just think its inevitable and it may be the best interim solution simply because the "change rate" in this society has accelerated exponentially. Truth is that in order to have competition in the political sphere, there needs be a competition of "ideas" and that just isn't happening, for a variety of reasons. For one, we have a near unitarian education system; there's no competition of ideas there, particularly at the University level. For another, there's near uniformity of views expressed through the so-called MSM so there's very little competition of ideas in that arena.

Realistically speaking nearly all the components for a one party system are already in place and what I'd expect to happen is that we'll see the Democrat party continue in Washington for the foreseeable future until something comes along to replace the Republican party as the aged old white people die off (RIP). And I'd guess that as Federal "goodies" become an ever increasing important part of State and Local governments, we'll see the Republicans start to dwindle at those levels as well and we'll see the Democrats take firm control of the Senate and the House of Representatives in Washington. Game, set, match.

One thing we forget as we go about our daily lives is that the education system has dumbed down the population to such a point that a one party system would probably best serve the future anyway. The Universities are already pushing that agenda; they don't teach how to think, they teach that there's only one way to think.....their way. In many respects, its a match made in Heaven.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: grandmakdw

None of that is proof that Trump polls well among black people. You are making the grave mistake of thinking that black people can't separate politics from a television show. Just because black people watch a lot of television and the Apprentice doesn't mean they support Trump as a politician. That is absurd reasoning.

By the way, if there is ANY GOP candidate that will get the uninformed black vote, it would be Ben Carson, because he's black. We already know that is how the uninformed black vote works since that is how it happened in the last two elections.

"We already know that.."

Well, I wouldn't bet on it.


The leftists fear nothing on this planet more than they fear a strongly united conservative black voice. Because dude, that voice would then shout them down hard. Where exactly would those lofty dreams of a united world dominated by drone like conformists really be without black and various racial minorities as pet causes?

Seriously, what would be left(no pun intended)?

A bunch of Volvo driving, green tea drinking white boy metrosexuals who might damned well have to re-think their divine mission of salvation to we poor downtrodden who can not actually decide a damned thing without their overreach and guidance?

Yeah, that's about it.

And no, I can't link that, but then, I don't give a damn. Somethings are still self evident, and the black race was targeted 50 years ago to belong lock stock and barrel to the leftist push. And look where it has gotten us.....a race forbidden by the dictates of a sick society to have or express anything that might be considered conservative, traditional or established.

That leftist dogma and doctrine though, they are the last remaining chains of slavery, and the ones we most need to snap.

"it would be Ben Carson, because he's black"

Or, plainly:

"All them negroes gonna vote for Ben, cause, ya know, he's one of them, Biff!"

That was the exact implication. Give me a break with that pompous drivel.

The GOP are in general a despicable bunch of morons anyway. It's a very good thing if Trump brings them down. These people are a huge detriment to America.

However, on this issue of the Hispanic vote. People seem to be missing one huge thing..

Illegals will NOT be able to vote in the election next year. Citizenship is required. Not even permanent residents can vote. The polls can say whatever numbers and opinions they like. They do not reflect the true voting base on the actual election day.

Just sayin.

a reply to: Maverick1

A bunch of Volvo driving, green tea drinking white boy metrosexuals who might damned well have to re-think their divine mission of salvation to we poor downtrodden who can not actually decide a damned thing without their overreach and guidance?

Exhibit A, folks.

Pay attention when people talk like this. It is just a peak of what's inside.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Maverick1
Well, yeah, he could kill it.

On the other hand, he just might win the damned thing.

He might? How do you figure that? Your hopes and desires?

More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

Trump may very well be able to capture the GOP nomination but, I'd say he has a farts chance in a hurricane of capturing the White House.

Trump is used to having dictatorial authority over decisions affecting his businesses and he doesn't know the first thing about how to garner the support of legislators required in order to get anything accomplished in government and the only ones who don't realize this fact are the willfully ignorant.

Especially after witnessing, over the last 6 1/2 yrs, just how dysfunctional our government can be when one party decides to employ obstructionism as policy.

Trump's business successes can be attributed to two primary business tactics.

The first one being his admitted use of bribery, (political donations) to get favors from legislators in all branches of government.

The second one being the use of threats of unlimited law suits to silence anyone who opposes him.

While I'll agree that there are many who, blinded by their hatred, don't see this reality, IMO it's both naive and somewhat insulting to the minority communities to infer that a majority of their demographic will somehow buy into his trash talk.

If I were you, I'd keep my eye on Bernie Sanders who actually describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which is actually a pretty good description of how our society is supposed to work.

He's not a "Dictatorial Socalist," which is the portrayal that many on the right are attempting to label him with.

I think this election is going to turn out to be the big inevitable battle that's been brewing between the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with the TP backing Trump and OW backing Bernie.

I'm betting OW wins with Bernie.

I can see the image now. A picture of trump with a caption of him telling his apprentice lady " you'd look better on your knees" an image of an ows protestor taking a dump on a cop car. Your choice.....

Problem is, no one on the left is trying to elect the protester who crapped on the cop car.

Kind of a false comparison, wouldn't you say?

Not when you say Bernie backed by ows and trump backed by tp. You tend to associate with who has similar views, false compirson? Not at all.

Doesn't really surprise me that you don't see the difference. Let me spell it out for you.

Trump is the one actually saying the woman would look better on her knees and his supporters like it.

Bernie is not the one who crapped on the cop car.

The one guy who did crap on the cop car is not representative of the entire OW movement and I doubt that the OWM or Bernie approve of his actions.

In a nutshell, you're trying to compare the spokesman for one movement to the actions of a single protester in another.

The OWM as a whole, has never supported crapping on cop cars, but the TPM is pretty much in favor of every idiotic idea Trump has expressed and that's why he's their chosen one.

As while that may make you feel better to say to prove yourself right , in this day and age you are judged by who you associate with and who associates with you, especially in politics and we see it everyday. We see it everyday this person did thid or was associated with this. He is now associated with Obama...this means Obama is xyz. On the group level. This Christian did this or said this...all Christians or Muslims or any grpup are now xyz. So while it felt good to write you must admit even privately that while not right, association is a reflection of the whole and people will make entire assumptions based on it.

That way of thinking is a logical fallacy.

An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association. Association fallacies are a special case of red herring, and can be based on an appeal to emotion.

Source

Didn't say it was right. It is a fact and it is how it happens. I can promise you that if going through member comments on a variety of subjects from the duggard guy, to cops, to "thugs" to whatever else that same thing of guilt by association will play out over and over. I would be willing to bet that while claiming fallacy you, yourself have partaken in it. Being in politics only magnifies it. So again it may feel good to write otherwise, it may feel smart to claim fallacy, at the same time most do it at some point depending on topic and views. That's reality, that's fact.

That was why my original post said I could imagine the images.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Maverick1

A bunch of Volvo driving, green tea drinking white boy metrosexuals who might damned well have to re-think their divine mission of salvation to we poor downtrodden who can not actually decide a damned thing without their overreach and guidance?

Exhibit A, folks.

Pay attention when people talk like this. It is just a peak of what's inside.

Yeah,but I wish I would have said Prius...I kinda like Volvos.

a reply to: Flatfish

Even if it literally were between Trump and totally random OWS protester pooping on authority symbols, I'd vote for the protester. In fact, a poster like that would probably not even be seen as pro-Trump.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Maverick1
Well, yeah, he could kill it.

On the other hand, he just might win the damned thing.

He might? How do you figure that? Your hopes and desires?

More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

Trump may very well be able to capture the GOP nomination but, I'd say he has a farts chance in a hurricane of capturing the White House.

Trump is used to having dictatorial authority over decisions affecting his businesses and he doesn't know the first thing about how to garner the support of legislators required in order to get anything accomplished in government and the only ones who don't realize this fact are the willfully ignorant.

Especially after witnessing, over the last 6 1/2 yrs, just how dysfunctional our government can be when one party decides to employ obstructionism as policy.

Trump's business successes can be attributed to two primary business tactics.

The first one being his admitted use of bribery, (political donations) to get favors from legislators in all branches of government.

The second one being the use of threats of unlimited law suits to silence anyone who opposes him.

While I'll agree that there are many who, blinded by their hatred, don't see this reality, IMO it's both naive and somewhat insulting to the minority communities to infer that a majority of their demographic will somehow buy into his trash talk.

If I were you, I'd keep my eye on Bernie Sanders who actually describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which is actually a pretty good description of how our society is supposed to work.

He's not a "Dictatorial Socalist," which is the portrayal that many on the right are attempting to label him with.

I think this election is going to turn out to be the big inevitable battle that's been brewing between the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with the TP backing Trump and OW backing Bernie.

I'm betting OW wins with Bernie.

I can see the image now. A picture of trump with a caption of him telling his apprentice lady " you'd look better on your knees" an image of an ows protestor taking a dump on a cop car. Your choice.....

Problem is, no one on the left is trying to elect the protester who crapped on the cop car.

Kind of a false comparison, wouldn't you say?

Not when you say Bernie backed by ows and trump backed by tp. You tend to associate with who has similar views, false compirson? Not at all.

Doesn't really surprise me that you don't see the difference. Let me spell it out for you.

Trump is the one actually saying the woman would look better on her knees and his supporters like it.

Bernie is not the one who crapped on the cop car.

The one guy who did crap on the cop car is not representative of the entire OW movement and I doubt that the OWM or Bernie approve of his actions.

In a nutshell, you're trying to compare the spokesman for one movement to the actions of a single protester in another.

The OWM as a whole, has never supported crapping on cop cars, but the TPM is pretty much in favor of every idiotic idea Trump has expressed and that's why he's their chosen one.

As while that may make you feel better to say to prove yourself right , in this day and age you are judged by who you associate with and who associates with you, especially in politics and we see it everyday. We see it everyday this person did thid or was associated with this. He is now associated with Obama...this means Obama is xyz. On the group level. This Christian did this or said this...all Christians or Muslims or any grpup are now xyz. So while it felt good to write you must admit even privately that while not right, association is a reflection of the whole and people will make entire assumptions based on it.

This isn't about guilt by association, if anything it's just the opposite. Something more akin to association by guilt.

Tea Partiers are associating with Trump because they're guilty of holding the same bigoted views that he does.

Bernie didn't crap on any cars and no one is supporting his campaign because someone else did, but then it doesn't surprise me that the only thing some people got out of the OWM was a guy crapping on a police car.

Some people?

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: Flatfish

Even if it literally were between Trump and totally random OWS protester pooping on authority symbols, I'd vote for the protester. In fact, a poster like that would probably not even be seen as pro-Trump.

I think your comment was geared at me since I started the image post. That's fine by me. I was simply putting out the images I could see being associated with. Don't Care who anyone votes for. Good luck getting results with whoever you vote for, or rather solutions not results.

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

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originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: Maverick1

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Maverick1
Well, yeah, he could kill it.

On the other hand, he just might win the damned thing.

He might? How do you figure that? Your hopes and desires?

More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

Trump may very well be able to capture the GOP nomination but, I'd say he has a farts chance in a hurricane of capturing the White House.

Trump is used to having dictatorial authority over decisions affecting his businesses and he doesn't know the first thing about how to garner the support of legislators required in order to get anything accomplished in government and the only ones who don't realize this fact are the willfully ignorant.

Especially after witnessing, over the last 6 1/2 yrs, just how dysfunctional our government can be when one party decides to employ obstructionism as policy.

Trump's business successes can be attributed to two primary business tactics.

The first one being his admitted use of bribery, (political donations) to get favors from legislators in all branches of government.

The second one being the use of threats of unlimited law suits to silence anyone who opposes him.

While I'll agree that there are many who, blinded by their hatred, don't see this reality, IMO it's both naive and somewhat insulting to the minority communities to infer that a majority of their demographic will somehow buy into his trash talk.

If I were you, I'd keep my eye on Bernie Sanders who actually describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which is actually a pretty good description of how our society is supposed to work.

He's not a "Dictatorial Socalist," which is the portrayal that many on the right are attempting to label him with.

I think this election is going to turn out to be the big inevitable battle that's been brewing between the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with the TP backing Trump and OW backing Bernie.

I'm betting OW wins with Bernie.

I can see the image now. A picture of trump with a caption of him telling his apprentice lady " you'd look better on your knees" an image of an ows protestor taking a dump on a cop car. Your choice.....

Problem is, no one on the left is trying to elect the protester who crapped on the cop car.

Kind of a false comparison, wouldn't you say?

Not when you say Bernie backed by ows and trump backed by tp. You tend to associate with who has similar views, false compirson? Not at all.

Doesn't really surprise me that you don't see the difference. Let me spell it out for you.

Trump is the one actually saying the woman would look better on her knees and his supporters like it.

Bernie is not the one who crapped on the cop car.

The one guy who did crap on the cop car is not representative of the entire OW movement and I doubt that the OWM or Bernie approve of his actions.

In a nutshell, you're trying to compare the spokesman for one movement to the actions of a single protester in another.

The OWM as a whole, has never supported crapping on cop cars, but the TPM is pretty much in favor of every idiotic idea Trump has expressed and that's why he's their chosen one.

As while that may make you feel better to say to prove yourself right , in this day and age you are judged by who you associate with and who associates with you, especially in politics and we see it everyday. We see it everyday this person did thid or was associated with this. He is now associated with Obama...this means Obama is xyz. On the group level. This Christian did this or said this...all Christians or Muslims or any grpup are now xyz. So while it felt good to write you must admit even privately that while not right, association is a reflection of the whole and people will make entire assumptions based on it.

This isn't about guilt by association, if anything it's just the opposite. Something more akin to association by guilt.

Tea Partiers are associating with Trump because they're guilty of holding the same bigoted views that he does.

Bernie didn't crap on any cars and no one is supporting his campaign because someone else did, but then it doesn't surprise me that the only thing some people got out of the OWM was a guy crapping on a police car.

Some people?

Honestly surprises you? Tell me when the most outlandish act of an individual or small group is not then sent to the front and then used to tag an entire group as being equally off. Pick any group and tell me when it doesn't happen. Again I didn't bring up ows he did. I simply took what I believed to be the most stand out images imaginable for the players involved, trump , Sanders, tp, ows. Then may a guess on the images that could be used.

a reply to: Maverick1

The one element that is continually ignored by the left, and especially progressives, is the voting block that wrought changes in the last mid-terms. There is growing group of voters that don't relate to Pubs, yet have voted against BHO's agenda, and similar platforms on state and local elections. Independents aside, this group has no affiliation, no affixed leader, and despises extreme RW dogma the same as progressive ideals. Their numbers aren't significant enough to sway a Presidential election, but are looked over and usually lumped with Pubs due to voting habits.

The local MSM rag is doing a workup for print article, and I will post it when available as it is relevant to discussion at hand.

Believe it or not, the vast majority of Black/African American people will vote Democratic, even if Ben Carson is the Republican nominee. If Hillary ignores the African American community totally during her campaigning, she'll get that vote.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The right wing are constitutional literalists..they LOVE the constitution...they are the ideological guardianship of the constitution against evil progressive depravity!!!...up until it involves brown people, then they whole-heartedly want to take a red pen to it.