Trump is KILLING the Republican chances for Presidency

a reply to: grandmakdw

People "say" they are disgusted.

But in reality?

As many Clinton voters as there are Jeb voters will enter the polls on election day.

Nothing has been done to shake up the "status quo" enough to break away from conventional voting.

Nothing really changes. "Out with the old boss, in with the new. . . "

People will vote for the devil they know over the one they don't because the unknown is scary. Independence is scary.

Being responsible for yourself is scary.

And the government has done a great job of scaring people into thinking that life cannot be lived without government.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: grandmakdw

People "say" they are disgusted.

But in reality?

As many Clinton voters as there are Jeb voters will enter the polls on election day.

Nothing has been done to shake up the "status quo" enough to break away from conventional voting.

Nothing really changes. "Out with the old boss, in with the new. . . "

People will vote for the devil they know over the one they don't because the unknown is scary. Independence is scary.

Being responsible for yourself is scary.

And the government has done a great job of scaring people into thinking that life cannot be lived without government.

Good point, I just hope you are wrong.

One more professional politician, be it Jeb or Hillary or whoever
may actually be the tipping point leading to total and complete
collapse for the US, economic at least.

We are standing on
the precipice right now.

All it would take is one more professional
politician who only cares about the next vote and pretends to
care about the country.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Politicians are a reflection of the people that vote them in.

It's an indictment on the American voting public.

I've had my fill with politicians, but it's the people who should be just as guilty because they are the dumbed-down masses that vote them in!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

If true democrats will be happy, republicans not so much. If not republicans will be happy and democrats not so much. The rest of us will sit back and laugh at all the supporters for believing at the top level there is any difference or that politicians regardless of party will solve anything.

Seriously, what's the last problem politicians solved. Not band aided, kicked down the road, plugged a part of it only to have another part of it spring up. Or temporarily "solved" only to have it come back worse than before? If you can't answer that question and still think your party is the solution. You're the problem

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Seriously, what's the last problem politicians solved. Not band aided, kicked down the road, plugged a part of it only to have another part of it spring up.

Relations restored with Cuba after how many years?

A deal with Iran that does not equal to school yard bullying and threats of large-scale war?

Those are a couple things politicians have been able to accomplish lately. I know that many don't like what has been done in regards to Iran and Cuba, but they were good deals nonetheless.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Heh...

Without wishing to appear to be saying "I told you so", it's been perfectly obvious, even to outsiders like myself, that the US Republican Party has seemed to be doing all it can to avoid power for the last couple of elections. Romney was never going to be president. It would not have mattered if he had been running against a baked potato, because the man never looked like anything more than a facade with delusions of depth and nuance. Essentially, he is a moron, and came across like one every time he opened his mouth. The only reason he ended up being the Republican candidate for the presidency at all, was that of all the possible candidates put forward by his party, he was the least rabid, made the smallest number of mysogynistic statements, and was caught in other unwise pronouncements on the least occasions out of all the other runners from the right.

This time round, the noisiest, most heavily funded, least palatable and least trust worthy Republican contender has been the one in the news, who appears to have an entirely separate entity living on his skull like a fluffy parasite. His appearance aside, he is the most boorish, oafish, foul tempered, and unmitigatedly thoughtless individual they could possibly have running for them. He does not care what he comes out with, he does not care about others, he does not care about the poor, the needy, the sick... He cares what he can get out of people, and because traditionally speaking, immigrant families have the least money unless they bring it with them, he cannot make money from them very easily. That, I believe, accounts for most of his evident dislike and bias against persons from outside his nation, rather than any notion of respecting and protecting the nation from unchecked immigration.

And the other contenders? A great many of them have appeared to toe his line, because it appeared fashionable, before realising, one might argue very late in the game, that his prattle amounted to little more than ill informed nationalist and racist waffle, including his utterly stupid plan to build a massive wall on the border.

For a start, his plan there would fail in several ways. First, it would stop no one from getting on a boat in the dead of night, and rowing a little up the coast, then getting out again. Second it would not stop drugs crossing the border, because drug sub production and sophistication would simply increase to cover the drop in cross border trafficking possibilities.

I mean come on... Doesn't that sound like a well thought out, utterly serious strategy to you?....said no one...ever.

In short, republicanism which includes any focus on the borders, any negative bias against immigrants, any negative bias against Mexicans, Asians, persons of a non-white complexion, people of little means, people on food stamps, any intention to remove social support from families with nothing, anything like that, will be met with a total lack of approval, and the Republican Party, if they ever want to win anything again, are going to have to get rid of these idiotic dinosaurs, and replace them with smart, switched on, culturally diverse and culturally aware, and UNPREJUDICED candidates in the future.

If you ask me, for the Republicans, this one is already lost, and unless they make some SERIOUS changes, that will not change.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: FinalCountdown

Trump is not a solution to any of those problems. You are just being deceived by his annoying charisma (can you call it that?). How about addressing the statistics that are plain as day in the OP that each of my sources outlined? Trump is only making things worse for the Republicans. He certainly doesn't have a chance at actually being elected.

I mean we've all heard the Trump rhetoric for days now about how he is going to fix the country and all (sounds exactly like Hope and Change rhetoric to me, but what do I know?). Time to look at the cold, hard facts on display in this thread. Trump isn't the right guy for the job, and supporting him is only making things worse for everyone.

I guess I wasn't clear enough with my cryptic and sarcastic responses.

I am in no way shape or form a Republican. I absolutely detest their outdated ideas on society and their overly religious tendencies.

However, I see Trump as choosing the Republican platform simply because even though the GOP is still lagging in their cultural aptitude, the Democrats are so far left into their fascist belief system thats its mind boggling to even comprehend what kind of world we would end up with if that ideology moved forward. It would be "goodbye america", goodbye having any property or any rights in the near future. etc, etc.

I detest both extreme directions that are being offered to us over and over again.
I don't want to go that far left or that far right.
I want the corruption to be exposed and the perpetrators punished.

Trump may be a lot of things on the surface, but inside he is a straight up person.
He will tell you that he is going to F you right before he F's you.

Everyone likes to make fun of his hair?
It's not a toupee, its a comb-over.

Think about this, Trump has all the money he needs to get hair plugs, or hair transplants or whatever so he can look like any other celebrity. He could have a full head of hair that looks natural if he wanted to.
However, he chooses to make do with what he has.
I know this may sound insane but I think this shows what he really is, honest.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: whyamIhere

Trump talks like a regular person. Warts and all. People like that.

The only people I know that talk like that are ignorant right-wingers that tend to be racially intolerant, hates gays and loves Jesus. THAT is why he is so popular among the right.

IMO...The GOP must change its current form. Into what ? Don't know.

It's going to continue down the road of intolerance, idiocy and hatred....leaving conservatism in the ditch along the way. Well, they pretty much already did that, didn't they?

Friend, if some of the leftist responses in this thread are representative of anything, seems that 'intolerant' tag might be better applied on that side of the fence.

Hell, read them carefully and tell the honest truth. Grandmakdw must have REALLY struck a nerve or something. Pretty biting responses!

And btw, conservatism currently faces the exact same threat that has already long displaced, hijacked and destroyed classic liberalism.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Seriously, what's the last problem politicians solved. Not band aided, kicked down the road, plugged a part of it only to have another part of it spring up.

Relations restored with Cuba after how many years?

A deal with Iran that does not equal to school yard bullying and threats of large-scale war?

Those are a couple things politicians have been able to accomplish lately. I know that many don't like what has been done in regards to Iran and Cuba, but they were good deals nonetheless.

Didn't know that Cuba relations were causing us problems. As far as Iran, won't know if it is a solution or not until we see how inspections, etc go. Calling it a solution is a bit premature.

While it's not in the minds of most if we haven't stopped running operation Olympic games against Iran and they don't quit retaliating it will still be a war, just in the background until it bubbles over. Haven't seen much on it since 2012 so don't know the status of it.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Well said, sir. Thanks for adding an outside perspective.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

You asked, so I offered that post. I think it's great that the politicians did their job in regards to those issues and instead of playing games and trying to appease ignorant constituents, they sat down at the table like adults and did what they should do....be diplomatic.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Reallyfolks

You asked, so I offered that post. I think it's great that the politicians did their job in regards to those issues and instead of playing games and trying to appease ignorant constituents, they sat down at the table like adults and did what they should do....be diplomatic.

That's great but has it solved anything yet? Is is sealed signed delievered, problem over? That's why I asked for the last solution.

originally posted by: Spider879
Here is another thing Krazysh0t white folks with sense are bolting, either switching party or becoming indie..they are left with Fox news voters most of whom won't be alive for much longer.

This left wing obsession with their political opposition dying off is disturbing.

a reply to: TrueBrit

These articles come up about the death of each party every so. Often. Unfortunately it never rings true. At this point neither deserves power, neither does much good.

I'd rather see our candidates be a house wife, a hippie, a biker, and my next door neighbor with no political experience than trump, Sanders, clinton, or Bush. Those 4 unknowns I could at least relate to.

originally posted by: whyamIhere
IMO...The GOP must change its current form. Into what ? Don't know.

They could start by trying to appeal to more people than just white Americans.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Spider879
Here is another thing Krazysh0t white folks with sense are bolting, either switching party or becoming indie..they are left with Fox news voters most of whom won't be alive for much longer.

This left wing obsession with their political opposition dying off is disturbing.

It's downright telling.

If you violate the group-think collective, apparently, they want you dead.

How very damned tolerant of them.

imo...the GOP, republicans and conservatism in general are completely at home with being the party of losers.
Always playing the victim, whining, pointing fingers and completely out of touch with contemporary America and totally ok with that role.
America is not going back to the 50s that the Right wing so treasures. The electorate is getting younger, more minority based and cyber geeks.

Good or bad...it's a brave new world and it's "lead, follow, or get out of the way"

Trump could very well be the turning point for the GOP but I don't see him even being around after Christmas; Jeb however is a different story entirely......President Bush...where have we heard that before?

originally posted by: Maverick1
More likely the plain fact that he will have no real competition.

Can ANY Repub beat him? I doubt it. And so do the latest polls.

I would hope beyond hope that Trump doesn't win the nomination. That may be the worst thing that could happen to the Republican party in regards to them getting elected.

Biden or Clinton? Gimme a break. Many slam those they assume might vote for Trump, but what kind of people would really and truly vote for the hair-sniffing gaffe machine or the Arkansas mafia-queen herself?

Biden isn't even RUNNING and polls are placing him ahead of Trump.
Poll: Joe Biden Beats Donald Trump in Key Swings States of Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania

So you may want to check some sources outside of your personal opinions and rhetoric.

And Sanders? Yeah, no. He can't even hang with Hillary.He's the flavor of the week and will be the answer to a trivia question within five years ... "Which briefly internet -popular presidential hopeful identified as a socialist in the 2016 campaign?"

Really?
Sanders beats Trump by 20-plus points

Meanwhile, Trump is appealing to more and more Americans, and yes, that will include the jobless and suffering black vote, being The demographic that most often competes with illegals for jobs.

Got any proof of this claim? Just because he is the Republican frontrunner, doesn't make any of that true.

Despite the fevered wishes and lame proclamations of the establishment, Trump is very very electable, in my opinion.

You didn't post and proof of your claims though. Just random musings and opinions. So forgive me for taking YOUR opinion with a grain of salt.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I'm not going to say that I haven't seen this coming. I'm more just making this appeal to the Republicans that haven't completely lost their minds yet.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: whyamIhere
IMO...The GOP must change its current form. Into what ? Don't know.

They could start by trying to appeal to more people than just white Americans.

If they appealed to the same groups as democrats that would put a further dent in the illusion of two different parties. But at the root of it it's not about appealing to a race of people it's about appealing to people with similar ideas. Does that mean the majority of their views appeal to white people? Maybe. But there are republicans of all backgrounds, simply not as many.

Pretty simple, if a party wants to appeal to white people, black people, rich people, poor people, religious people, non religious people, etc at the expense of other people do it. The answers will come at the polls