The False Prophet of Revelation

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Isurrender73

Read the parable of the weeds, Jesus predicted his words being corrupted.

The church has corrupted his words. Jesus said sin no more. Paul wanted to kick the sinner out of church.

The church says thay we are fallen and can't stop sinning, although that message is found no where in the bible.

So without changing one word the churches misinterpretation has caused that prophecy to come true.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yet they all teach Jesus' sacrifice saves them and truly believe it. What's more important than that?

a reply to: Isurrender73

Well you are free to believe whatever you want... but honestly if you haven't found any contradictions/errors, you're just not looking hard enough... but as you've said, that is not the issue in this thread

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

Athletics and treating other people with love are not the same thing.

You said you can be perfect. I was pointing out why I know no one is.

You also can not be perfect in showing love to everyone all the time. Most people don't even know what kind of love they should be showing.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

Yet they all teach Jesus' sacrifice saves them and truly believe it. What's more important than that?

I am not sure here what your point is.

I believe we already covered this too.

However, if you want a church that does not teach much at all about Jesus and God and humbling oneself, you might try Joel Osteen.

a reply to: ketsuko

You really think Jesus was talking about physical perfection? Of course he wasn't! He was speaking of spiritual perfection.

There's that thing I talked about again. How can you expect to have perfect love if you do not believe it is possible? Jesus didn't say "try" to be perfect, he said to be perfect period.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

What does the original text say about end of time?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Isurrender73

Timothy 2:36
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

And of course you know Paul wasn't talking about anything in the NT... let alone revelation

Right?

I had this discussion with you in another thread.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit, the Light. If you read Paul in that context there are no contradictions, but like I said that is another thread. And since you refuse to believe that Jesus is the Holy Spirit it won't likely do much good to debate with you, since that is the first principle to understanding Paul.

Jesus did call himself the Light. And the Light in both the OT amd NT and every other religion is the One and only Holy Spirit, so that is what Jesus was saying about himself. And his father is our God.

a reply to: ketsuko

My point is that there is no such thing as a "false church" if they teach Jesus' sacrifice being the way to salvation. You're the pot calling the kettle black.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Im with you on this idea, but he also said we will make mistakes... they have to happen to learn from them, and there will be consequences... Karma sucks

Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

Athletics and treating other people with love are not the same thing.

Ahaha... Nailed it.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

You really think Jesus was talking about physical perfection? Of course he wasn't! He was speaking of spiritual perfection.

There's that thing I talked about again. How can you expect to have perfect love if you do not believe it is possible? Jesus didn't say "try" to be perfect, he said to be perfect period.

Yes we are to follow the Holy Spirit to Spiritual Perfection, which is what leads to the union with the father.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Matthew 28
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

If the bible cannot be corrupted or added to, then why is Jesus distinguishing himself (the Son) from the Holy Spirit here?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Im with you on this idea, but he also said we will make mistakes... they have to happen to learn from them, ad there will be consequences... Karma sucks

Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

Mistakes because we are ignorant. Christ knew everything which is why he was without sin.

We may be on the path to perfection and encounter a situation unknown to us and make a mistake. But we should never break the 10 commandments if we are to call ourselves disciples since that is not ignorance but willful disobedience.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Talk about missing the point!

It was about knowing that no matter how good you are at ANYTHING (not just physical endeavors), there is always room for improvement.

Are you claiming you are a paragon of personal behavior perfection and that you never do or say anything you shouldn't, ever to anyone? I find that very hard to believe.

Funny, there is only one reference to perfect love in the entire NT, and it is in 1 John, not even the Gospel of John. Jesus never referenced perfect love.

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Isurrender73

Timothy 2:36
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

And of course you know Paul wasn't talking about anything in the NT... let alone revelation

Right?

I had this discussion with you in another thread.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit, the Light. If you read Paul in that context there are no contradictions, but like I said that is another thread. And since you refuse to believe that Jesus is the Holy Spirit it won't likely do much good to debate with you, since that is the first principle to understanding Paul.

Jesus did call himself the Light. And the Light in both the OT amd NT and every other religion is the One and only Holy Spirit, so that is what Jesus was saying about himself. And his father is our God.

that is completely beside the point I was making...

you're using that verse to justify a book that wasn't even in existence at the time Paul wrote timothy... IF he wrote it that is

He was talking about the OT... and there are many books that were removed from said collection... which is a contradiction of the statement in itself...

Paul wasn't talking about anything in the NT... and revelation wasn't even included in the NT for the first few hundred years... so he could not be talking about the bible in general in any way, shape or form

Christians love to point to that verse in timothy to claim inerrancy... and its just wrong on so many levels

Straight up dishonest if said Christian is speaking to someone who doesn't know the bible and its history

a reply to: Akragon

He says that the offenses of the world must come yes, but that does not mean he is speaking of everyone in the world. He differentiates the offenses of the world from the offenses of any particular man. Yes, this world cannot be perfect, but man can be if he knows God truly.

a reply to: Isurrender73

But we should never break the 10 commandments if we are to call ourselves disciples since that is not ignorance but willful disobedience.

the TEN hang on the TWO Jesus gave...

And so called "Christians" break the second on the regular... Which is why I can not claim to be one

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Im sorry brother but I have a seriously hard time believing you've never made a mistake when Loving Thy neighbour...

Perhaps you are a better man then I am...

a reply to: ketsuko

What was Jesus' comment about being perfect as his Father is perfect in reference to? Loving others. He was speaking of becoming perfect in love.

Also, why does it matter who says it in your opinion? If it's in the bible, it's inspired by God right?