Along with the Creationist, Chimps have entered the Stone Age.

originally posted by: peter vlarIt could be argued that mans intellect is nowhere near a dolphins. Neither of those points have anything to do with the OP though. No matter how you want to view them though, Chimpanzee are in fact highly intelligent.

A chimp will piss and poop right were he sits my dog has enough sense to go down the street and do it.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Do you have a citation supporting that? Again, you are making a rather broad generalization that doesn't actually apply. At least not to Chimps in the wild. Much like language, aggressive postures and tool making, all other aspects of chimpanzee social life varies from one community to the next. As Chimpanzee, like Bonobos, are rather big on social bonding like grooming, relieving themselves in community areas isn't the norm. As for your dog being more intelligent than the average Pan Troglodyte... Not even close. Chimpanzees in captivity demonstrate markedly disparate behaviors from what is exhibited in groups living in the wild so if you're basing this assumption off of a trip to the zoo it's a pretty poor comparison.

Lol. Monkeys have always smashed rocks around. Human babies still do it. Along with otters. Birds make nests! Oooooo maybe it's because they are evolving into carpenters...? Silly nihilistic atheists, you're tricks are for kids. Evolution will always remain a theory with that takes blind faith to believe in. But hey whatever eases the nihilists conscience to live how they want to live, and hump what they wanna hump.

a reply to: TheCretinHop

That username suits you..

originally posted by: TheCretinHop
Lol. Monkeys have always smashed rocks around.

I guess it's a damned good thing that Chimps are apes and not monkeys then

Human babies still do it. Along with otters. Birds make nests! Oooooo maybe it's because they are evolving into carpenters...?

Let's ignore all of the other tools and weapons made by Chimpanzees because its far nicer to wallow in ignorance and mock science that you don't have the most basic grasp of the fundamentals then right?

Silly nihilistic atheists, you're tricks are for kids.

I'm failing to follow the implied mutual exclusivity you are attempting to inject here. There are plenty of religious people who are capable of doing good science as well as believers in MES. For example, Francis Collins is a world renowned geneticist, former head of the Human Genome Project, believer in evolution and yet he's still a Christian.

Evolution will always remain a theory with that takes blind faith to believe in.

maybe your opening sentence should have alluded to the fact that you know absolutely nothing about the science you attempt to mock? Evolution is , whether you choose to accept the reality or not, a fact. Modern Evolutionary Synthesis attempts to understand how this fact works. Gravity is also a scientific theory but I don't see you mocking people who believe in gravity.

But hey whatever eases the nihilists conscience to live how they want to live, and hump what they wanna hump.

What does atheism, nihilism or even evolution really, have to do with biologists documenting tool use amongst non human primates? I mean besides absolutely nothing that is...?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn

originally posted by: peter vlarIt could be argued that mans intellect is nowhere near a dolphins. Neither of those points have anything to do with the OP though. No matter how you want to view them though, Chimpanzee are in fact highly intelligent.

A chimp will piss and poop right were he sits my dog has enough sense to go down the street and do it.

Not only is that an absurd generalization, but your dog would poop right in the house if you did not take him outside. Your dog can't open doors or figure it out. He's not going to poop in the toilet if you forget to take him out. Your dog's behaviors are taught by YOU, limited to the dog's intellect. That's a pretty horrible example. A chimp can definitely figure out how to open a door if need be. Can your dog solve puzzles and learn sign language? Don't get me wrong, I like dogs, but they aren't as intelligent as chimps and I'd love to see proof that chimps just poop where ever they are sitting and don't even care to move. I find that incredibly hard to believe. I'm sure it might happen every now and then, maybe as a territorial thing, but I highly doubt what you said is the norm. Chimps aren't monkeys.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
a reply to: peter vlar

Let's look at our closest living relatives, the Chimpanzee. While we may not be able to understand what their vocalizations mean, they definitely have a language and can communicate amongst each other.

Hi Peter, great post, keep in mind the study cited in the OP goes beyond traditional vocaliztion by apes according to their species into a mimicry of human vocaliztion - unnatural breathing patterns and vocaliztions as seen in Bonobos and Koko bred and kept in close contact with humans, who were observed adopting human breathing patterns during their attempts at speech with their human handlers.

Mimicking human breathing patterns and language shows intellect. They learned by watching us, much like a child learns from its parents.

So for the folks that say other great ape intelligence does not compare:

Koko the gorilla's estimated IQ is around 70-85, which is considered low for a human, but there are humans that have scored lower. It is pretty much the intellectual equivalent of a 9 year old child. So yeah, their intelligence levels are comparable.

People just have this ego problem. They have to consider themselves above and beyond all other life other life on planet. The second we learn that chimps and other great apes are not that far off, people get so defensive.

Well it looks to me as if someone has been listening to the atheist secular humanist/agenda 21 proponents in suggesting that man is merely an animal and no better than the other animals and in fact more evil and using up all the resources of the planet. I dare you to go up to a Cecil the lion type animal and not get your head ripped off.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Well it looks to me as if someone has been listening to the atheist secular humanist/agenda 21 proponents in suggesting that man is merely an animal and no better than the other animals and in fact more evil and using up all the resources of the planet. I dare you to go up to a Cecil the lion type animal and not get your head ripped off.

How does this relate to anything I just said? What is this agenda 21 you are talking about? I'm referring to scientific facts. Are you claiming they are wrong?

Yes, man is an animal, technically man is an ape and I'm pretty sure I already explained this in the thread.

What makes you think humans are not part of the animal kingdom? Just because they are smart? They evolved like all other life on the planet, and yeah, it is egotistical to think otherwise because it means you ignore scientific fact in favor of a religious world view that is dangerous and leads to people wasting in abundance. It sounds like you've been following the religious/nonsecular/law of abundance agenda 35 proponents in suggesting man is better than all other life on the planet. A hungry lion that wants to feed its family and survive will kill whatever it can find in order to do so. Humans do the same thing, some even kill / mistreat / steal from other humans for food. I don't see your point in the least. Survival is what matters over all else, and if you think humans are removed from this then you've got another thing coming.

a reply to: Barcs

No technically man is not ape. It is a mere Darwinian theory that man descended from ape. It is very nice that chimps have developed some rudimentary skills but that still does not point to the evolutionary chain of man evolving from ape.Agenda 21 is a plan of action by the elites and environmentalists in collusion with the club of Rome to have a centralized control over all the resources of the world. Google it and you will find plenty about it. Try democrats against UN Agenda 21 and also The Green Agenda as well as berit Kjos on agenda 21

"Along with the Creationist, Chimps have entered the Stone Age"

The title of the thread is provocative and insulting

A creationist is a Human Being
As such they are Not entering the "Stone Age"

It would be more genuine if the thread read " Chimps have entered the Stone Age"
And that is debatable as animal birds and also insects have used tools for thousands of years
As has been pointed out by several posters

originally posted by: artistpoet
The title of the thread is provocative and insulting

To chimps, yes.

a reply to: GetHyped

Chimps can not read Human words
Human's can however

a reply to: artistpoet

I'd wager I'd have more success teaching a chimp the basics of evolution than a creationist.

Case in point: this forum.

a reply to: GetHyped

I thought the point of the thread was to show how chimp's and Creationist's have entered the "Stone Age"

Can you show evidence that Human beings who believe in creationism have regressed to the "Stone Age"
.... I thought not

a reply to: artistpoet

Well there are people who believe the world is flat... and we walked with dinosaurs

that's not stone age thought, but its pretty damn close

a reply to: Akragon

My point returns to my first post on this thread

This thread is provocative and insulting to Creationist's

a reply to: artistpoet

I've seen creationists on this forum get insulted simply for presenting evidence supporting evolution. Grow a thicker skin.

a reply to: GetHyped

I've seen creationists on this forum get insulted simply for presenting evidence supporting evolution. Grow a thicker skin.

Presenting evidence is one thing
Provocation by insult is another

Learn to discern and perhaps you might not try goad me by insinuating I need to "grow a thicker skin"
As if ignorant remarks aimed at me would bother me

Yet my point remains

" "Along with the Creationist, Chimps have entered the Stone Age"

The title of the thread is provocative and insulting

A creationist is a Human Being
As such they are Not entering the "Stone Age"

It would be more genuine if the thread read " Chimps have entered the Stone Age"
And that is debatable as animal birds and also insects have used tools for thousands of years
As has been pointed out by several posters"

As does my direct question to you

"Can you show evidence that Human beings who believe in creationism have regressed to the "Stone Age"

a reply to: artistpoet

oops wrong person

a reply to: GetHyped

We are all evolving. That does not necessarily mean that humans evolved from ape, nor that chimps are evolving into humans or anything else. I hope that people are evolving spiritually, and that would mean any spiritual endeavor not necessarily codified into an organized religion. It seems though of late that humans seem to be evolving in technology without the spiritual and moral values to balance it. It has been said that in Atlantis, the people advanced technically and scientifically(think genetic engineering and cloning-mermaids and such) but did not advance spiritually, and in fact lost some of their metaphysical gifts(such as telepathy). Today we have only a glimmer of such gifts.