Is There Evidence for Evolution? Show it to us.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

To be honest there's really nothing to understand. The bottom line to the theory or should I fact as some would have it, is that man evolved from a bowl of soup. People talk about common sense and logic, but let's be real here, it's the most ridiculous theory ever invented.

For someone posting on a site that has the motto of "Deny Ignorance", you certainly seem intent on remaining willfully in the dark. From this most recent post of yours, you're conflating evolution and abiogenesis. It would take the most cursory amount of working to inform yourself to understand that abiogenesis and evolution are two different things.

But, by all means, keep doing your best borntowatch impersonation. He hasn't posted in a couple of days.

Yet another religious tool thread. Why not spend 10 minutes actually trying to better your understanding with millions of sources. Infuriating.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
Evolution is a belief held by most intellectuals all over the world, despite the fact that there is no real scientific evidence for it at all. Some claim that evolution is a proved scientific fact, based on a multitude of scientific proofs, but they are unable to document even one of these supposed proofs! I'm not surprised that they can't, after all no one has ever seen evolution happen, for the simple fact that it cannot be detected within the lifetime of a single observer. A process which has never been observed to occur, in all human history, should not be called scientific IMO.

I'd like to see this so-called proof or (evidence as they like to call it) of evolution and I'm not talking about some long drawn out thesis on how evolution works. Show us the hardcore evidence. I would like to see evolutionary biologists put their theory to the test and give us some rigorous evidence that it is true, if they can, instead of merely arguing about mechanisms and presenting plausible scenarios. A few predictions of the theory that pan out or fail to materialize will not settle the issue, but rather some meaningful statistical tests. Until this is done, I would suggest that they recognize that this is a theory without a shadow of support.

As the famous saying goes "extraordinary claims demands extraordinary evidence". If they have evidence let's see it, but keep in mind that limited and weak evidence is not enough to overcome the extraordinary nature of these claims.

Now I know most of the ones who believe in this hogwash are gonna come in here and try to reverse the thread and demand that someone show them the evidence of God. But I am suggesting that if you can't present any hardcore evidence for evolution then just stay silent. This is a challenge for the evolutionist, a chance for them to finally reveal this so-called mounds of evidence that they have.

Show us the lab results, or a time lap video of evolution, give us something besides a long born thesis. I really do want to see this evidence.

But it's the best theory that we have as far as where we came from. You can't just try to debunk a theory without giving us a replacement. What is your replacement? What is the competing theory?

We can study evolution and look for fossils etc.

What do you have to offer as a replacement. As with all evolutionary/creation threads, this one basic question will be ignored.

God created evolution. Will that help you try and better yourself and free you from your puberty?
Or is being a member of christians against dinosaurs to important to you.

a reply to: puzzlesphere

The question I will ask, as I always do, and never receive an answer to is... based on all the evidence, and addressing each piece, can you present an alternative theory to evolution?

It's more plausible that green men put us here than the theory of evolution.



At the end of the day evolution is nothing more but an idea disguised as fact.

Galapagos Finches?

This is fairly basic stuff. I learned about them in the 3rd grade.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

To be honest there's really nothing to understand. The bottom line to the theory or should I fact as some would have it, is that man evolved from a bowl of soup. People talk about common sense and logic, but let's be real here, it's the most ridiculous theory ever invented.

Your example shows just how dismissively you treat the idea of understanding the science behind what your talking about. However, let's say everything did "evolve out of a bowl of soup". That is still way more probable that to believe that a God Like Being who is infinitely more complex than the universe he created somehow also created himself or was always there or whatever.

If he's allowed to just pop into existence then why not the universe???

If he was always there then why can't the universe have always been???

If he created himself then why can't the universe to the same???

As improbable as you might think it is for the universe to exist, with all of it's "fine tuned" probabilities, they are still far more probable to exist with all it's complexity than a God that would have to be far, far more complex than his creation. So if the Universe is too complex to exist on it's own then God is definitely too complex to exist on it's own.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

a reply to: puzzlesphere

The question I will ask, as I always do, and never receive an answer to is... based on all the evidence, and addressing each piece, can you present an alternative theory to evolution?

It's more plausible that green men put us here than the theory of evolution.

At the end of the day evolution is nothing more but an idea disguised as fact.

I see. So - you are unable to address cites with anything other than the admittance that you cannot understand the facts behind evolution? Would that be a fair assessment?

a reply to: amazing

The competing theory is not a theory but logic. If it is logical for you to believe that you and your ancestors came from a bowl of soup then turned into apes and then turned into humans what more can I say other than your logic is flawed.

I'm so bored with this nonsense...
'Look if you don't have video evidence of the evolutionary process over billions of years it's not scientific.'
Look into the evidence if you actually want to know...it's not like it doesn't exist...but no, we won't have video evidence, based on...common sense...sorry...

a reply to: mOjOm

I don't recall ever saying God did anything in this thread now did I? If you want to debate the existence of God go start a thread and I'll be glad to join. But this thread deals with evolution.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: amazing

The competing theory is not a theory but logic. If it is logical for you to believe that you and your ancestors came from a bowl of soup then turned into apes and then turned into humans what more can I say other than your logic is flawed.

Once again (and I find it fascinating that you are failing to address any of my points) you are massively simplifying things. And failing to understand, well, anything.

originally posted by: amazing
What do you have to offer as a replacement. As with all evolutionary/creation threads, this one basic question will be ignored.

Compassion paired with free will.
Compassion paired with free will allows us to nurture a disabled child rather than toss it off a cliff. Evolution would classify that as an abnormality about to get snipped from the tree of life, a rarity that goes unnoticed, a bad mutation about to get culled, not just the child but the energy wasting parents especially.

A strong willed people should just dominate and annihilate the weak, according to evolution.
Yet we seen Free Democracies rise to annihilate the aggressor nations, who were armed with the morality the will and the mechanizations to eradicate their evolutionary weaker competition only to fail.

Evolution works as a thought experiment yet fails miserably when applied to humans.
Mankind has a unique label, Made in the image of God.
A God that knows love and compassion, fairness, the value of free will. Where in the natural habitat did ancestral mankind witness, emulate and learn to practice these evolutionary suicidal traits? Why haven't they been culled from our species long ago through evolutionary processes?

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing
What do you have to offer as a replacement. As with all evolutionary/creation threads, this one basic question will be ignored.

Compassion paired with free will.
Compassion paired with free will allows us to nurture a disabled child rather than toss it off a cliff. Evolution would classify that as an abnormality about to get snipped from the tree of life, a rarity that goes unnoticed, a bad mutation about to get culled, not just the child but the energy wasting parents especially.

A strong willed people should just dominate and annihilate the weak, according to evolution.
Yet we seen Free Democracies rise to annihilate the aggressor nations, who were armed with the morality the will and the mechanizations to eradicate their evolutionary weaker competition only to fail.

Evolution works as a thought experiment yet fails miserably when applied to humans.
Mankind has a unique label, Made in the image of God.
A God that knows love and compassion, fairness, the value of free will. Where in the natural habitat did ancestral mankind witness, emulate and learn to practice these evolutionary suicidal traits? Why haven't they been culled from our species long ago through evolutionary processes?

Once again - you really either don't understand this, or you are wilfully misrepresenting it. Again.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I never said I didn't understand, I understand it completely. Just because I think it is a bunch of hogwash doesn't mean I don't understand. That's the problem with evolutionist, for some reason if you don't believe their theory then by default your some kind of idiot. Sure, if I wanted to I could have been posting tons of stuff from people who debunk this theory both Christian and Non-Christian. But I like to provide my own answers with simple logic, evolutionist like to post long thesis and then expect you answer every single question in it. I don't have time for that. As my signature says:

mOjOm: originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: vethumanbeing

vhb: OH, so you need someone who is in deep understanding of who and what the AUO is to explain its existence. Why would I do this for you?

mOjOm: Look, you don't have to do anything. You say there is a Creator God that made everything. I'm simply asking how and why you're saying that. If you know it, I'm asking you to show why you know it. If you can't, or won't, fine. But that also means I don't have to believe any of it then. You don't have to act all indignant about it though, you'd expect the same from me if I made such a claim. Only I wouldn't be acting like you are right now about it.

I say there is a grand design at work here and humans are just acting their parts to implement it. I know it because I have a part to play in this. We are all actors on a stage here.

vhb: I have spent at least 2 or 3 hours in deep contemplation reading 1000s of texts for many years in pursuit of this nebulous being, questioning myself, and relationship with it; just to give this information up to you at YOUR demanding WHIM (most likely wasted upon and laughed at) by a negatively inclined Atheist that has nothing but contempt for the God that created this world and given you the gift of the experiences and the privilege to exist within ITS REALM. Are you so arrogant in your puny self styled greatness, to not see what your are asking?

mOjOm: Wow and you're calling me arrogant?!?!? Oh wise keeper of the knowledge!!

I'm not demanding anything other than an explanation. Don't act like it's my fault you can't or won't provide one. I must say I love the double standard though. You come in here refuting science, demanding that people prove evolution or whatever but certainly won't apply that same burden of proof on yourself or your claims. No, you just start acting all self righteous and insulted someone asks you a question. Neat how you're above all the standards you push on everyone else, that must be nice.

Not at all; why is everyone so thin skinned these days, no joking around or having fun with this ridiculous situation humans find themselves in (where is our leader) and why have we been seemingly abandoned.

vhb: You still haven't corrected the spins the left to right/right to left of your merkaba avatar. You don't know what that vehicle is do you?

mOjOm: For the last time I made that avatar and animated it myself. The two tetrahedra are spinning in opposite directions. I know it because I did it that way myself. If you can't see it, look a little harder and yes I know what it is. There are also other things about it besides being a spiritual vehicle that make it interesting as well. Why do you assume I wouldn't know what it is??? Because I couldn't possibly have any knowledge outside my evil science, is that what you're getting at??? Glad to see you keep an open mind when it comes to people. But you can go look down your nose at someone else from now on. Maybe your communion with God will teach you some humility one of these days and we can talk then.

I cant see it; a good animation was on 'Blue Resonant Human' s website "density 4". Nice work otherwise. God created science why would I think you were at all evil. I am just as you living in this world attempting to understand my purpose.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing
What do you have to offer as a replacement. As with all evolutionary/creation threads, this one basic question will be ignored.

Compassion paired with free will.
Compassion paired with free will allows us to nurture a disabled child rather than toss it off a cliff. Evolution would classify that as an abnormality about to get snipped from the tree of life, a rarity that goes unnoticed, a bad mutation about to get culled, not just the child but the energy wasting parents especially.

A strong willed people should just dominate and annihilate the weak, according to evolution.
Yet we seen Free Democracies rise to annihilate the aggressor nations, who were armed with the morality the will and the mechanizations to eradicate their evolutionary weaker competition only to fail.

Evolution works as a thought experiment yet fails miserably when applied to humans.
Mankind has a unique label, Made in the image of God.
A God that knows love and compassion, fairness, the value of free will. Where in the natural habitat did ancestral mankind witness, emulate and learn to practice these evolutionary suicidal traits? Why haven't they been culled from our species long ago through evolutionary processes?

Once again - you really either don't understand this, or you are wilfully misrepresenting it. Again.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing
What do you have to offer as a replacement. As with all evolutionary/creation threads, this one basic question will be ignored.

Compassion paired with free will.
Compassion paired with free will allows us to nurture a disabled child rather than toss it off a cliff. Evolution would classify that as an abnormality about to get snipped from the tree of life, a rarity that goes unnoticed, a bad mutation about to get culled, not just the child but the energy wasting parents especially.

A strong willed people should just dominate and annihilate the weak, according to evolution.
Yet we seen Free Democracies rise to annihilate the aggressor nations, who were armed with the morality the will and the mechanizations to eradicate their evolutionary weaker competition only to fail.

Evolution works as a thought experiment yet fails miserably when applied to humans.
Mankind has a unique label, Made in the image of God.
A God that knows love and compassion, fairness, the value of free will. Where in the natural habitat did ancestral mankind witness, emulate and learn to practice these evolutionary suicidal traits? Why haven't they been culled from our species long ago through evolutionary processes?

Once again - you really either don't understand this, or you are wilfully misrepresenting it. Again.

I understand it fully, and so did Darwin and Hitler. Hitler never allowed an army to retreat and ended up committing suicide blaming his people for not being strong enough.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

I have an explanation for you, believe it or not.

The reason why humans seem bent on bucking evolution and the whole notion of the "survival of the fittest" is because humans are social creatures. In fact, we are more social than any other animal. Most of us are at least social with elements of our biological family and close friends. Some are social beyond that, incorporating social structures like towns, cities, or even nation states into their social "pack." A few have transcended even this, and see all humans, and -- indeed -- all life, as sacred, connected and part of their social sphere.

Everyone acts on this impulse, to some extent. Even sociopaths don't want to seem foreign or alien to the social ecology they immerse themselves in, so they act accordingly. We celebrate compassion, deify harmony and social cohesion, and elevate the notion that to NOT participate is to become the outsider; --a mere animal.

This tendency has been manipulated throughout the ages, by those seeking power, resources, wealth or authority over others. A "grass roots" movement becomes a "groundswell" of support. Not because one idea is objectively better or worse, but because to NOT be a member of your society is aberrant.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: mOjOm

I don't recall ever saying God did anything in this thread now did I? If you want to debate the existence of God go start a thread and I'll be glad to join. But this thread deals with evolution.

God will always intrude into these discussions; I suspect it enjoys the ongoing debates (knowing all along the real truths), secretly hoping some random human will reveal it (back seat driver with a sense of humor if ever was).