Is There Evidence for Evolution? Show it to us.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: Barcs

Is this picture true or false?

Is this really how man evolved according to evolution?

is it your fashion taste that compels you to protest so vigorously?

a reply to: TzarChasm

Do you think the above picture is true or false?

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: TzarChasm

Do you think the above picture is true or false?

science has demonstrated it is true, or very close to the truth.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

I doubt you read all the links from Barcs link... but did you also read the link I posted a couple of pages ago?

Observed Evolutionary Events

It has a lot of the same referenced studies, and observed examples of speciation, but in a nice easy list to read, with citations... lots of "hardcore facts".

Your riddle is not a riddle, it is a fallacy, and shows just how bad your understanding of natural selection is. NS doesn't "choose" or "know"... NS isn't a conscious force, which is your fundamental flaw in thinking. That's like saying how does gravity "know" to pull you down, and not send you out into space?... just wrong.

Natural selection is the mechanism... read the first example from my link (actually read all of them), and it explains how natural selection occurs based on environmental factors. The facts are there, you just keep on ignorantly refusing to address and understand them when presented to you.

Evolution is a fact… get over it.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Sure, I could look it up and read tons of pages on it, but why?

Probably because then you might be able to understand it.
Sheesh!
Is knowledge that unimportant to you that you'd rather rely upon a forum than actual peer-reviewed papers that address your question in far more depth (you'll have to read widely to get the big picture) than anyone here can.

Are you that lazy that you can't research this yourself, or is this thread just another of those 'click-bait' style chances for you to have a misinformed rant?

Look, I'm not going to filter the results for you, you'll have to actually do some work, but hey, I 'google scholared' this for you...

There is plenty of evidence of man using the theology of evolution, to subjugate.

“Thus there results the subjection of a number of people under the will, often of only a few persons, a subjection based simply upon the right of the stronger, a right which, as we see in Nature, can be regarded as the sole conceivable right, because it is founded on reason.”

—Adolf Hitler

“In the limitation of this living space (Lebensraum) lies the compulsion for the struggle for life, and the struggle for life, in turn, contains the precondition for evolution”

—Adolf Hitler

“The entire universe appears to be ruled only by this one idea, that eternal selection takes place, in which the stronger in the end preserves its life and the right to life, and the weaker falls”

—Adolf Hitler

“All of nature is a powerful struggle between power and weakness, an eternal victory of the strong
over the weak”

—Adolf Hitler

Darwin himself says,

"It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."

-Charles Darwin

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous [i.e., most human-looking] apes -- will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla."

-Charles Darwin

We can clearly see how grotesque evolution is.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Equally, one could cherry-pick quotes that illustrate the grotesque nature of religion, of god (in various guises) and those who have misappropriated it for their own ends...

...however, much like your post and this, it would be considered off topic.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

No... that is not evolution speaking, that is man using emotive speech to support an ideology... and you are doing the exact same thing by negative association. Calling evolution grotesque is like saying gravity is evil for causing man to fall.

So we should not "believe" in gravity because it is clearly out to get us... to make us fall, break bones and smash our bodies to the earth. Join with me brothers and sisters to throw off the shackles of evil!... stop believing in gravity and humanity can break free and float to the heavens to be closer to god!

See?... emotive speech to push an ideology... not hard to do.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: Barcs

Is this picture true or false?

Is this really how man evolved according to evolution?

It is a vastly simplified illustration of a very complicated process that took millions upon millions of years, the proof of which exists in the fossil record. Perhaps you should go away do some actual research that goes beyond skimming the surface and then exclaiming that it can't possibly be true?

a reply to: aorAki

To be honest there's really nothing to understand. The bottom line to the theory or should I fact as some would have it, is that man evolved from a bowl of soup. People talk about common sense and logic, but let's be real here, it's the most ridiculous theory ever invented.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker


Just because you refuse to understand it, and constantly use phrases which are wrong, and designed to mislead, doesn't mean that it isn't possible or observed...

...I could go on and on about how a god creating everything could be considered the most ridiculous thing ever, but this comment is all I will say on it.

I've provided you with a link which can enrich your understanding of evolution, if you so choose. It seems, however, that you would rather be willfully ignorant on this matter.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Why don't you respond to my link? It shows the scientific fact of evolution... with citations.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: aorAki

To be honest there's really nothing to understand. The bottom line to the theory or should I fact as some would have it, is that man evolved from a bowl of soup. People talk about common sense and logic, but let's be real here, it's the most ridiculous theory ever invented.

Once again you have boiled a very complicated theory down to a single point and then effectively misunderstood it. Please do some basic research on this. There's something like four and a half billion years of chemical and then biological evolution behind every one of us.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
a reply to: aorAki

To be honest there's really nothing to understand. The bottom line to the theory or should I fact as some would have it, is that man evolved from a bowl of soup. People talk about common sense and logic, but let's be real here, it's the most ridiculous theory ever invented.

so you are just here to try to tar and feather the theory of evolution, not actually try to understand it. all you want is the publicity. but who is the attention for? god...or you?

EXACTLY the same as every other thread challenging evolutionary theory.

originally posted by: puzzlesphere
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Why don't you respond to my link? It shows the scientific fact of evolution... with citations.

I strongly suspect that RealTruthSeeker either does not understand them or is ignoring them in order to continue to push his/her point. Either way we have seen far too many of these threads.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
very complicated process that took millions upon millions of years, the proof of which exists in the fossil record. Perhaps you should go away do some actual research that goes beyond skimming the surface and then exclaiming that it can't possibly be true?

It can never be proven true since the process takes million and millions of years. That's the problem with this theory, without millions of years it falls on it's face. That is how they keep people hooked on this crap. Just tell them it happened 50 million years ago and they won't be able to disprove it.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
very complicated process that took millions upon millions of years, the proof of which exists in the fossil record. Perhaps you should go away do some actual research that goes beyond skimming the surface and then exclaiming that it can't possibly be true?

It can never be proven true since the process takes million and millions of years. That's the problem with this theory, without millions of years it falls on it's face. That is how they keep people hooked on this crap. Just tell them it happened 50 million years ago and they won't be able to disprove it.

I have a new word for you. That word is 'fossil'. And here's another word for you: 'palaeontology'. And one final word: 'geology'. Please do some basic research. You just might learn something from it.

originally posted by: puzzlesphere
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Why don't you respond to my link? It shows the scientific fact of evolution... with citations.

I looked at them and to be honest it was easier to read then most. However, it still does not explain how man evolved from apes or any other species for that matter. Naturally if you place any creature in a livable environment they will learn to adapt and survive. The same would be true if you took humans from Africa and dropped them off in Antarctica, they would learn how to survive there. But one thing they will not do is start growing fur and turn into polar bears after a few million years, or will they?

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: puzzlesphere
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Why don't you respond to my link? It shows the scientific fact of evolution... with citations.

I looked at them and to be honest it was easier to read then most. However, it still does not explain how man evolved from apes or any other species for that matter. Naturally if you place any creature in a livable environment they will learn to adapt and survive. The same would be true if you took humans from Africa and dropped them off in Antarctica, they would learn how to survive there. But one thing they will not do is start growing fur and turn into polar bears after a few million years, or will they?

you cannot teach to someone who doesnt learn.

and your refusal to learn doesnt speak for our ability to teach nor the validity of the knowledge we offer.

those are two facts you wont get away from here, though that wont stop you from trying.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Actually, given time and the right conditions those humans may indeed start "growing fur", and if separated for long enough may indeed become a new species of ape.

At the simple end it is just adaption, however if you read carefully, the fundamental key to what's going on is the change of genetic material, leading to speciation. Yes, we have only been actively observing for a relatively short amount of time geologically, but in that time we have seen many new species develop. Not enough time to see a change such as a common ancestor developing into say a dog and a cat species, but long enough to see distinct non-breedable species develop from a common ancestor.

Beyond that we have a technique called inference... and by using other evidence such as fossils, we can build a very clear picture of how the current genetic tree has diverged from many extinct (and still living) species... thus evolution.

The question I will ask, as I always do, and never receive an answer to is... based on all the evidence, and addressing each piece, can you present an alternative theory to evolution?

The fact is, there is no better alternative, and to our current understanding, and evidence based observation, evolution is a fact.