Latest FOX Poll: Hillary Down 2 Points, Bernie Up 8 Points

a reply to: Kali74

Interesting. I'm not going to discount Sanders just because someone yelled socialist or even if he calls himself one. Ideology often isn't black and white when individuals are involved. There are a few ideas I have heard from Sanders that sound logical but some others I have and will continue to mock. Anyway at the end of the day it's what the people want and if Bernie has the best arguments and plan for the future he will win. The MSM is becoming less and less important these days for candidates thanks to the internet.

a reply to: Kali74

I agree with you, but not enough people know the difference anymore and that's probably why I fail to differentiate.

The only kind of good Socialist is the democratic kind.

~Tenth

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Kali74

I'm just surprised you're quoting a Fox Poll.

lolz

But go Bernie.

I'll take Bernie as president just to see Hilary fall flat on her face... LOL

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I can't help it. I'm one of those "there's something wrong on the internet" people... especially when it's something personal to me.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Kali74

I'm surprised Bernie is doing so well. I thought him being a "socialist" would be a turn-off to most people because of the propaganda they have been fed, but it appears many people are not afraid of them scary socialists.

I think most of the Bernie supporters are Democrat.

Democrats usually don't speak out against Socialism do they?

But maybe all the recent favorable press has helped.

Hillary is helping too !!

Go Bernie !!

When Bernie clarified his stance on guns, I think he lost a lot of support from non-Democrats.

He decided to cater to his core, who would vote for him in the general election anyway, instead of remaining more neutral like his voting record suggests. He doesn't have a terribly anti-gun voting record but when he answered a reporter's question with "I think all defensive firearms should be banned and only hunting guns should be allowed", he lost a lot of potential support from Libertarians and middle-of-the-road types like myself. I'm not a single-issue voter but I refuse to vote for someone who wants to strip 2nd Amendment rights away from law-abiding citizens. All he had to say was "I believe that harsher punishment for criminals who use guns is a great step and we need to step up enforcement of the existing laws before we talk about passing more restrictions. I'd push for reform within the mental healthcare system to determine the reasons behind these mass shootings." That's an intelligent approach to the problem and Bernie has said in the past that focusing on mental health would be much more effective than trying to ban guns.

a reply to: Kali74

Given how RealClearPolitics is polling, I have to agree. While Bernie is certainly gaining support, Hillary is still the hands down favorite.

RealClearPolitics 2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination Polls

The establishment wants Hillary, at least that is my perception. Hopefully after a few debates, the general public will find out who Bernie Sanders and why he has so much 'grassroots' support.

I cant remember what movie its from, but can someone throw water at hillary the witch so she can melt away.

Looks like Bernie is on fire. Run Bernie Run.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
I cant remember what movie its from, but can someone throw water at hillary the witch so she can melt away.

I'm Melting! - The Wizard of Oz (7/8) Movie CLIP (1939)

a reply to: xuenchen

Put a pork chop and a Blackberry in her hands...and you've got her perfectly, X.

a reply to: introvert

We're a more global society these days, younger people didn't live through the "red scare". College educated young people also may have traveled abroad to Europe. I mean, Europe is "socialist" -- and I've had good experiences every time I've been over there.

I thought Hillary didn't go down and that why Bill went a rambling? I'm confyooozed.

originally posted by: Kali74
RCP

This brings Bernie up to 30% nationally which is a huge leap for two weeks and with a majority of voters still not knowing who he is. MSM is starting to give him coverage. My optimism increases.

I wonder what the other polls are going to churn out.

Interesting link. One may actually view the questions asked by the pollsters. " I wonder what the other polls are going to churn out " ( I see you get it. ) What thought process initiated and sustains this concept ? Why bother ? Do the opinions of 1000 anonymous individuals polled actually effect anyone's views ? If polling holds legitimate value, do away with the voting booth. Surely a sane individual must understand that pushing a button will have no meaningful effect on the ultimate course of their Country. How many times have you heard the expression " The choice of two evils " ? My intent is not to demean but to offer my OPINION on the hopelessness of a corrupt system based on deception and manipulation.
Lets do away with Die-bold voting computers. I favor Dart Boards, at the very least we can actually SEE the dart in real time, landing ever so lightly on the face of the preselected candidate. Cheers

a reply to: Kali74

You're not alone.

I'm rather surprised at how well he's doing. So is Hillary. If she thought it was going to be a coronation, of sorts, she's been disabused of that notion.

I don't like Sanders, but I don't dislike him either. I'm willing to listen.

a reply to: seagull

I don't like Sanders, but I don't dislike him either. I'm willing to listen.

If only more people were willing to be that reasonable.

a reply to: Kali74

There's something pretty telling in both Sander's and Trump's current popularity - and that's how many people on both sides are so fed up with the same old phony political theater.

I mean I think Trump is a complete clown and obvious plutocrat, but at the same time from the way the rest of the GOP are rallying against him it's obvious he's not actually in "the club". He's rich enough so he has a default membership, but he's also crazy enough to be an uncontrollable loose cannon, and therein lies his appeal.

It seems a lot of people are just ready to throw themselves behind any such candidate who can shake up the nepotist, oligarch orgy. I really hope Bernie can keep this anti-establishment momentum going, because even with republican-repellent ideals, once Trump inevitably self-destructs a lot of people in that particular boat are going to be looking for a new rudder. It seems crazy to think anyone in the Trump camp would back Bernie (the idea of their support makes me feel dirty actually), but this general down-with-the-system vibe is growing so much it feels like it could even possibly bridge the massive left-right divide. That alone is pretty exciting.

originally posted by: crazyewok
What needs to happen is social programs should be under control of States and country's with certain standards set by the federal government but management funding not controlled by them but by the local government instead.

That's very hard to achieve because each state basically has it's own ideas as to what programs need to be run. When we had our big infrastructure spending bill for example, the feds gave the states the money, went hands off, and the states used 3% of it on what they agreed to, and the rest went for budget shortfalls. When we built our internet backbone the same thing happened. And you can see it in our schools right now, Florida is among the worst schooling systems in the world, and Mississippi has an adult literacy rate of 65% but in other states it's higher. We've tried common core to establish some national standards, and look at the push back from that.

Any welfare programs conducted by the state are going to result in places like Louisiana saying the millionaires need the money in tax breaks to hire more people, so those people can afford food while places like Seattle will open food banks. And if you don't get Louisiana give it away to those who are well off, they'll cry states rights, government overreach, and all hell will break loose.

a reply to: Aazadan

And then the damage is contained to the State itself, and the People can either vote in new leadership or leave the State for a more successful model. Then the other States take note of what does and doesn't work, and can apply those policies to their own districts with necessary modifications.

Alaska != Florida != Montana

I will never vote for a big government guy like Bernie. If he were really an 'outsider' then he'd be getting the Trump treatment right now. Plus, we saw how he deals with adversity with BLM; he folded like a wet paper sack. He is not a leader.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
a reply to: Aazadan



I will never vote for a big government guy like Bernie. If he were really an 'outsider' then he'd be getting the Trump treatment right now. Plus, we saw how he deals with adversity with BLM; he folded like a wet paper sack. He is not a leader.

Exactly. He is trendy right now. Cool and hip. The media FAVORS Sanders......at least this week. When the bandwagon jumpers settle down, he will slide back in to irrelevance and Hillary will be the nominee.

a reply to: Maverick1

Entirely possible. But Bernie's doing better than Obama was by October 2007 so continuing momentum is also possible.