Why The Republicans Will Never Win Another National Election

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: beezzer

Yes, you are wrong. I just said that I'd like both parties to get their tickets handed to them, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

well no you said you wanted hillary and all the republicans stomped....sounds like you want a bernie win so a democrat leadership AGAIN after the last disastrous 8 years?

I'd like for someone else, I don't know whom, to sit in the white house, but we have to go with what we are given.

Bernie is tolerable and I think he would be better than any other option.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: beezzer

Yes, you are wrong. I just said that I'd like both parties to get their tickets handed to them, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

well no you said you wanted hillary and all the republicans stomped....sounds like you want a bernie win so a democrat leadership AGAIN after the last disastrous 8 years?

I'd like for someone else, I don't know whom, to sit in the white house, but we have to go with what we are given.

Bernie is tolerable and I think he would be better than any other option.

Im a conservative, but if it came down to the wire and it was between bernie and hillary..im with you..id go with bernie

Although i dont need to make that decision lol...i dont vote in the UK, never had

a reply to: kellyjay

I wouldn't be opposed to voting for a conservative if a real conservative ever actually ran for office.

The Republicans call themselves conservative but they are far from it.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: kellyjay

I wouldn't be opposed to voting for a conservative if a real conservative ever actually ran for office.

The Republicans call themselves conservative but they are far from it.

ive been dissapointed in the republicans for years, they make it easy for people to vote democrat

Go Rand Paul

I look forward to coming back to this thread after the election to compare notes

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Go Rand Paul

I look forward to coming back to this thread after the election to compare notes

I wouldn't vote Rand Paul because I don't believe he is a true conservative either. If he was, he wouldn't have turned his back on his father and stood on principle before pleasing the establishment by endorsing Romney.

He really pissed of the Libertarian section of the Republican party and those people are much truer conservatives.

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: kellyjay

I wouldn't be opposed to voting for a conservative if a real conservative ever actually ran for office.

The Republicans call themselves conservative but they are far from it.

ive been dissapointed in the republicans for years, they make it easy for people to vote democrat

And I think the democrats will take the popular vote but Bush will still take the presidency just like back in 2000.
When the corporate military industrial complex makes its selection, votes don't mean jack **** !!

if the conservatives win the presidency in 2016...they will control the presidency, the senate, the house, the supreme court, and 30 state governors...in other words, the entire country of America.... and yet on ATS, the conservatives act like they are on the losing end, and barely hanging on......

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: kellyjay

I wouldn't be opposed to voting for a conservative if a real conservative ever actually ran for office.

The Republicans call themselves conservative but they are far from it.

ive been dissapointed in the republicans for years, they make it easy for people to vote democrat

why?...the conservatives hold the majority of state and federal offices......I think if the republicans "made it easy" to vote for democrats, democrats would hold both house of congress, and have a left leaning supreme court, and a majority of state governors......your disappointment is in the legislation they have produced, and the laws they have passed....nothing to do with democrats

originally posted by: jimmyx
if the conservatives win the presidency in 2016...they will control the presidency, the senate, the house, the supreme court, and 30 state governors...in other words, the entire country of America.... and yet on ATS, the conservatives act like they are on the losing end, and barely hanging on......

That is if the democrats don't win back both the house and senate and the presidency. With the many other ballot initiatives in 2016 I expect a huge voter turnout and that usually isn't a good sign for republicans.

When we look at the Democratic platform we see big Government, big socialized programs, union support etc. When you look at a typical large city you have most of the state/fed government working there, huge percentage of socialized programs participants and the vast majority of unions. This alone drives the big cities to the left in voting and the population numbers are enough to turn the state blue even when the rest of the state is red....

As you can see in my "blue" state this is the typical layout of most blue states for the reasons above.

The GOP simply has to purge the Tea Party element from its ranks and then catch up with the times a bit and they will be fine. Right now the are polling at levels so low they have not seen them since the early 1990s. Normally after 8 years of one party in the White House things swing in other direction. However the GOP massive failures since taking the House and letting the people least palatable to most Americans become the face of the party the exact opposite has happened.

Jeb Bush is the GOPs best home of a candidate that is pretty much in the center as was good and popular governor. He however has to run the party gauntlet in primaries and his name reminds people of his brother who leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths.

Cleaning house is what the GOP has to do. When the polls say your party is seen as to radical by a 3 to 1 ratio, and that DNC is seen as more trust worthy to govern at a 2 to 1 level, then your party is in big big trouble. These were not numbers the GOP has problems with until the Tea Party showed up. The GOP cleans them out or shuts them up and they are back in business. If they do not then they will continue to decline as a national party until somebody splits off.

The GOP only has it self to blame for the fact that Hillary Clinton is lined up to be the next president. The party choose it's hatred of abortion and gays over addressing the illegal immigration crises and tax reform. Loons like Cruz are in charge. Other then that all the party really offers is a race to see who hates Planned Parenthood the most.

Not one of the GOP presidential candidates thought to make an appearance at the Fox News debate from a upstart small business.

The fact Obama got reelected shows just what a mess the GOP has been and really is in for the foreseeable future. Usually democratic societies are self correcting. Carter proved to be a poor president. As a response the American people elected Ronald Reagan. Obama proved to be a worse president then Carter and yet he got a second term.

originally posted by: HighFive
States may change Electoral College system

Through gerrymandering the republicans took back the congress. Let's look at 2012 Michigan, my state, democratic candidates won the the popular congressional vote, yet republicans won 2/3 of the congressional seats through republican gerrymandering. Michigan is trying to divide their electoral college votes by house district. This would have given Romney a 2/3 victory over Obama, who easily won the popular vote.

The plan for republicans is much the same in presidential elections. Divide the electoral votes in purple states.
These initiatives are being looked at in Ohio Pennsylvania and Florida as well.

Presidential elections should be popular vote!

Why? The President is an Executive, not a Representative.

I fully endorse the Congressional district/Senate state model. It works well for Nebraska and Vermont. Much better than voters in California or New York overwhelming the choices of other states.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
The Republicans will win this time. Because Trump will help them win.
Trump is like no Republican we have seen before, so it negates anything that has happened in the past

You're right. By policy he's actually a Democrat.

Then again, Obama has been to the right of Reagan and a near perfect continuation of W's policies, so we live in topsy turvy world where left means right and right means left.

July 6, 2017

I Predict that if they do not REPEAL OBAMACARE, and "shore up" ObamaCare as Mitch McConnell is hinting, the Republican party will suffer greatly, coast-to-coast.

a reply to: carewemust

Trump did the almost impossible. Pulled the wimp Republicans little wee wee's out of the dirt. And so far. Most of them are very jealous and have done nothing for Trump. But an occasional stabbing him in the back.

And the Democrats are the most hideous of criminals. So what do you do?

originally posted by: Doctor Smith
a reply to: carewemust

Trump did the almost impossible. Pulled the wimp Republicans little wee wee's out of the dirt. And so far. Most of them are very jealous and have done nothing for Trump. But an occasional stabbing him in the back.

And the Democrats are the most hideous of criminals. So what do you do?

It was a bad sign today when senator Hatch declared that republicans have "shot their wad".

thehill.com...

a reply to: carewemust

I would agree, but the Democrats are so batsh17 crazy with spying, antifa, and anti free speech, people would be scared into voting Republicans again. They are sh17 too, but they don't target people like the way Democrats do when they are in power and even when they are not in power.